all in all...if u think u r reputable and marketable....
u shdn't need to worry of outsourcing then....
who knows the supplier in the future will want ur talent and move to their own one.....
ppl is profit-making....sure keep good one...if u r good...sure stay....if not....sure ppl "pang" u go la....

yayaya....in SITI.....
depends ur scope.....
some would be always stressful (read back some replies here )
some would be more relax....but sometimes very stress....
also this would depends on one's stress management la.....

i m in EPM, work pressure expected to be higher with the NG project running tense and tense now...
i think everywhere in SITI going to be the same....all hav to gear up for the new GI soon.....

u r manager....ppl mgmt shd b ur concern i guess....
so meeting deadline, resource managing, meeting*n kali shd b urs....lol...
don worry ......jz get the attitude right, all shd b managable and balanced....

if i were u i would take SITI ..... the only thing holding u back is your belief on Shell outsourcing right ?

Only the Shell HR can answer your questions properly but what I have heard is any permanent employee will be compensated with 2 years salary if you're let go during the outsourcing. Also I doubt that they will relocate SITI anywhere within the 1st year of outsourcing, far too many changes at the same time.

everywhere in malaysia oso looking cert la....
not jz them look down diploma....
following malaysia current trend...i worry someday ppl will look down dgree oso lo...

of coz those won carry over.....
Shell is giving unlimited medical benefit....
not all can giv rite.....
dats y they tell the staffs.....
will get a more or less the same.....
u might lost something somewhere...(e.g. unlimited medical -> limited medical)
but u might replace with others...(e.g. additional supp pay may b...)
but first of all make sure u remain as competitive as u r la....
vendor won keep insufficient ppl wit them rite.....

The previous limit was RM200k per person per year for medical benefits. I'd be happy if they matched that and gave me a bigger paycheck.

Giving up transport allowance for loan benefits (if that's what you mean) doesn't make any sense if you actually calculate the cash equivalent. Even if you took the full loan allowance at BLR + 0.5%,  you're getting barely 70% of the cash equivalent. On top of that, you get your allowance immediately but you can only start doing the loan after a certain period of time with the company. Problem is, a whole lot of people out there seem to think that the loan benefits are a good thing. Weird I tell you...

Hi All,

Is it possible that a normal engineer in SITI is JG6?
From what I know:
JG7 = normal engineer
JG6 = tech lead / senior ops engineer
JG5 = team leam

If big team, then tech-lead becomes JG5 and team-lead becomes JG4.

However, I have a friend working in SITI, he is boasting that he is JG5 / 6 while he is a normal engineer only. So, my other friend checked his position in SITI and confirmed he is only a normal engineer.

Can a normal engineer (not senior nor tech-lead) becomes JG6?

Or

Can a normal engineer who is JG7 have the salary of JG6?

for JG there is alot of here and there to difference between each other...
exp: normal SITI helpdesk is JG8, but global team normal helpdesk will start from JG7 as they are global team...

normal engineers also can start from JG6, if they under 3rd lvl / developer team as well, there is alot of unfainess also as in other region same position but getting higher JG...

JG to alot make a diff as a JG will have a min pay and that value is alot...

Yes, the possibility of redundancy is there, but it's minimal. The idea is to minimize the changes during the transition so that there is as little disruption to business as possible. Also I do have to admit that the overall HR there is very much *unlike* any other company, they actually do tell you everything they know. Sorry, I can't disclose a whole lot more on a public forum Good luck in your decision making.

wat he mean is...
this is the real world.....
as Thomas Friedman said....a flat world.....
world is full of competition....u hav to get expose more to build up urself....
not sitting there, doing a same lame job forever til ur butt full of spidey web....
y shell outsource its IT?? not good performing???
no....Shell is competing its own IT infra wit top 25% of the IT companies....they fight to be better...if not the good one....
but still outsource....why? competition....
to hav their IT infra to keep up with pace....they probably think that this is not their core, hence it is much difficult for them to keep pace...
rather, handing over to an IT company which is capable, it can focus more on its core business, and let the IT co take care of the IT stuffs....
is it not secure after outsource??? of coz....if u r a lame lazy pig....
which company want to keep a staff who jz know how to sit for years, doing same old thing, no improvement in efficiency, skills, etc
not jz Shell, every MNC is transforming the way they play the game.....outsourcing, retrenchment, its happening everywhere.....
u don feel it much....not bcoz they r not around....is bcoz u r in a country that still talk a lot about protective policies....

in terms of learning chance and exposure, Shell does has its advantage
i m not sure yet too who is the vendor would be, but I believe Shell don hand over staff to a place where learning is not encouraged....
the only fact that never change is the world is changing everyday.....
if u wanna learn like our government, not changing the mindset, then u ll b weak like a sitting duck then...
no job is secure forever, so better stop dreaming...and push urself up for challenge....

Haha I thought you rejected the offer

Yes medical coverage is unlimited for all Shell permanent employees for everyone in your immediate family. No panel clinics whatsoever, but they do limit the hospitals to the big name hospitals only. Of course you pray to god that you never get to test that "unlimited" figure ever....

Also don't worry too much since outsourcing is 90% certain. If you go for an interview for a permanent position HR will tell you that figure.

You're missing out so much excitement in your life by not joining

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Added on September 16, 2007, 10:20 pm

vvv, there hasn't been an SRD since at least the beginning of 2007 if I recall correctly. I don't know why but I suspect one of the main reasons is the outsourcing...