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post Aug 17 2012, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 16 2012, 05:48 PM)
So how you guys did the standing up? just stand up and ride?

Wondering if the clipless pedal tension setting for everyone is tight(need more strenght to unclip) or light(easy exit)? For me i just put tension as light as pedal allow for to allow me to clip out easier.
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Upshift 1 or 2 cogs, stand up & rock Ur bike. Dun move Urself from right to left, I've seen ppl doing it. On long climbs with gradual inclines, it's more economical to sit down & push, but every 10 mins or so upshift & stand to stretch Ur legs & back. U need to upshift becoz naturally standing will generate more power & Ur cadence will increase.

Dun worry too much about the clipless pedals la, in most cases, in case something happen, Ur feet will automatically be disengaged... even at the strongest setting. Ur lucky ppl these days dun really go thru the toeclip & straps era... tongue.gif U shud be more worried about the cleats. Old or worn out cleats will be easier to disengage, intentionally or accidentally...
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post Aug 17 2012, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(tenno @ Aug 17 2012, 10:32 AM)
Upshift 1 or 2 cogs, stand up & rock Ur bike. Dun move Urself from right to left, I've seen ppl doing it. On long climbs with gradual inclines, it's more economical to sit down & push, but every 10 mins or so upshift & stand to stretch Ur legs & back. U need to upshift becoz naturally standing will generate more power & Ur cadence will increase.

Dun worry too much about the clipless pedals la, in most cases, in case something happen, Ur feet will automatically be disengaged... even at the strongest setting. Ur lucky ppl these days dun really go thru the toeclip & straps era... tongue.gif  U shud be more worried about the cleats. Old or worn out cleats will be easier to disengage, intentionally or accidentally...
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now got sifu teach... should be more convincing tongue.gif

actually... last time toe straps also can come out in case of emergencies because i don't used to tighten the strap up very tightly... lousy at track standing la.. so, have to keep dismounting at traffic lights and stops...

yeah... worn out cleats are a ball buster... imaging climbing out of the saddle and then your foot pops out... lands you right in the kanickies ala lance armstrong style in the 2003 tour up luz ardiden...
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post Aug 17 2012, 02:35 PM

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Added on August 17, 2012, 3:27 pmAston Martin came out a bike version One-77

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos...ne-77-superbike

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post Aug 17 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(hianboy @ Aug 17 2012, 02:35 PM)

Added on August 17, 2012, 3:27 pmAston Martin came out a bike version One-77

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos...ne-77-superbike

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old news la pundet...
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post Aug 17 2012, 04:31 PM

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post Aug 18 2012, 07:13 PM

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is this sarcastically aimed at someone or wat?
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post Aug 18 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(tenno @ Aug 17 2012, 10:32 AM)

Dun worry too much about the clipless pedals la, in most cases, in case something happen, Ur feet will automatically be disengaged... even at the strongest setting. Ur lucky ppl these days dun really go thru the toeclip & straps era... tongue.gif  U shud be more worried about the cleats. Old or worn out cleats will be easier to disengage, intentionally or accidentally...
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Automatic disengage. That is if you are already an experienced clipless pedal user.




Today, My first time on Clipless pedals.

Beginner, entry level set of Time First and Shimano shoes.
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Sadly, I tipped over and Fell down while at a stationary traffic light sad.gif . My mind went Confused n Blank how come my legs stuck to the pedal, then within 2 seconds whole bike tipped to the right and fell to the ground, right knee bleed. Oh well, haha.. we all have to learn the hard way sometimes. blush.gif

Did read the instruction manual at the shop, practiced on the bike trainer.. at least 30 times each foot. Yet maybe was tired at the end of the day and it's like i was drunk or something .. aih.. I hope it won't happen again. rclxub.gif

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post Aug 18 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(nlik @ Aug 18 2012, 09:46 PM)
Automatic disengage. That is if you are already an experienced clipless pedal user.

Today,  My first time on Clipless pedals.

Beginner, entry level set of Time First and Shimano shoes.
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Sadly, I tipped over and Fell down while at a stationary traffic light sad.gif . My mind went Confused n Blank how come my legs stuck to the pedal, then within 2 seconds whole bike tipped to the right and fell to the ground, right knee bleed. Oh well, haha.. we all have to learn the hard way sometimes.  blush.gif

Did read the instruction manual at the shop, practiced on the bike trainer.. at least 30 times each foot. Yet maybe was tired at the end of the day and it's like i was drunk or something .. aih.. I hope it won't happen again. rclxub.gif
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it's not automatic disengage... tenno is just pointing out the fact that in an event of a crash while the bike is moving..most likely the forces involved would have been enough to twist your foot out of the pedal even with the strongest tension setup...

on MTB... here is a difference between the Shimano cleats in the old days.. there was a uni-directional one and a multi-directional cleat that allows release via inward, outward and even very heavy upward jerks... for in case you flip over the bars and crash which happens quite a lot in mountain biking...

well, nothing more can be said then get used to it.. the percentage of riders who "never crash" on initial usage of clipless pedals are very little... no matter how much you try on the trainer.. it just does not work because your mind is set on releasing the foot from the pedal while on the road you forgot about it until you come to a dead stop... then you panic and shit happens..

if you are lucky.. it'll never happen again, else.. a few more times and you'll learn...

just think about your foot every time you think of stopping.. until it becomes automatic...

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post Aug 19 2012, 01:57 PM

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That's why tilll now I still using normal pedal with normal shoe haha.. Furthermore lighter pedal too.
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post Aug 19 2012, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 18 2012, 10:42 PM)
it's not automatic disengage... tenno is just pointing out the fact that in an event of a crash while the bike is moving..most likely the forces involved would have been enough to twist your foot out of the pedal even with the strongest tension setup...

on MTB... here is a difference between the Shimano cleats in the old days.. there was a uni-directional one and a multi-directional cleat that allows release via inward, outward and even very heavy upward jerks... for in case you flip over the bars and crash which happens quite a lot in mountain biking...

well, nothing more can be said then get used to it.. the percentage of riders who "never crash" on initial usage of clipless pedals are very little... no matter how much you try on the trainer.. it just does not work because your mind is set on releasing the foot from the pedal while on the road you forgot about it until you come to a dead stop... then you panic and shit happens..

if you are lucky.. it'll never happen again, else.. a few more times and you'll learn...

just think about your foot every time you think of stopping.. until it becomes automatic...
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I think the mind is so used to just lifting up, instead of pulling to the right or left.

More practice today between the walls of my corridor. Still not used to unclipping when body is tipping over to one side. At least this time just the shoulders hitting the wall instead of the road pavement.

It's also harder to unclip at the 12'o clock position because the legs are bent. Far easier to unclip when the foot is near 6'o clock position. practice more.. more more..

QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 19 2012, 01:57 PM)
That's why tilll now I still using normal pedal with normal shoe haha.. Furthermore lighter pedal too.
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For one side of the foot, just weighted them with the portable scale :
Nike reax running shoe=350 grams
Metal normal pedal= 200grams
=550 grams

Shimano R064+time cleat=360 grams
Time RSX first pedal= 260 grams (from website)
= 620 grams

Yea.. you're right. So it's slightly heavier to go for the clipless pedals. I have yet to see if they actually help with pedalling or not.

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post Aug 19 2012, 07:01 PM

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bought my first road bike and my first ride at putrajaya today!!!
It was FUN but i feeel so broke now... bank account suddenly depleted so much.
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post Aug 19 2012, 07:09 PM

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I caught cough and cold yesterday No wonder my ride with my friend at usual route was some what more tirering than usual. Having strong winds doesnt help at all especilly riding into the wind blow direction that made me do more effort than claim day.

Is it okay to continue ride with that or just take a rest for time being until everything goes back to normal?
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post Aug 19 2012, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 19 2012, 01:57 PM)
That's why tilll now I still using normal pedal with normal shoe haha.. Furthermore lighter pedal too.
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haha... you are missing out on all the "action"... if you count falling over while still attached to your bike and people standing on the road side laughing at your sorry ass hysterically "action"...

QUOTE(nlik @ Aug 19 2012, 05:23 PM)
Yea.. you're right.  So it's slightly heavier to go for the clipless pedals. I have yet to see if they actually help with pedalling or not.
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it's something that you will feel when you go back to normal pedal after a while using clipless...

for some people, it's about getting a more complete / smoother pedal stroke.. some people use it because they don't want their foot slipping off under duress..

QUOTE(sunghajung11 @ Aug 19 2012, 07:01 PM)
bought my first road bike and my first ride at putrajaya today!!!
It was FUN but i feeel so broke now... bank account suddenly depleted so much.
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sorry to break it to you kid... let's hope you don't have high ambitions with your bike... else, you will go from broke to being in debt whistling.gif

else, i wish you happy riding days and be contempt with what you own...


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Hi! I need help with buying MTB. I've been looking for an entry level MTB and i am a beginner just about to start mountain biking. Any suggestion? My budget is 3k.
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 19 2012, 10:53 PM)

for some people, it's about getting a more complete / smoother pedal stroke.. some people use it because they don't want their foot slipping off under duress..

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haha.. damn..then i'm geting mine for the wrong reason.. Peer Pressure cool.gif .


Anyway, the practical reason i wanted to try, is the hope that it will spread/even out the workload on the legs. Shift some work to the back of the legs.
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QUOTE(afn. @ Aug 19 2012, 11:06 PM)
Hi! I need help with buying MTB. I've been looking for an entry level MTB and i am a beginner just about to start mountain biking. Any suggestion? My budget is 3k.
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You will get better answers from the pinned MTB topic.. This is more on road/racing bike rather than MTB biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(nlik @ Aug 19 2012, 11:38 PM)
haha.. damn..then i'm geting mine for the wrong reason..    Peer Pressure cool.gif .
Anyway, the practical reason i wanted to try, is  the hope that it will spread/even out the workload on the legs. Shift some work to the back of the legs.
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Well, for me, it's due to the weight and the price. It's not cheap and weighth more than normal pedal. <y current pedal only weight 110gm on each side. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(afn. @ Aug 19 2012, 11:06 PM)
Hi! I need help with buying MTB. I've been looking for an entry level MTB and i am a beginner just about to start mountain biking. Any suggestion? My budget is 3k.
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yeah.. agree with stimix... go ask the MTB sifus there... just remember to read the 1st page first before asking them anything or they will give you the...

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QUOTE(nlik @ Aug 19 2012, 11:38 PM)
haha.. damn..then i'm geting mine for the wrong reason..    Peer Pressure cool.gif .
Anyway, the practical reason i wanted to try, is  the hope that it will spread/even out the workload on the legs. Shift some work to the back of the legs.
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dunno wat you meant back shift work to the back of the legs..

but with clipless or straps... you get to practice a much more efficient pedal stroke and distribute the load or in other words apply power over almost the entire rotation of the crank... not just plain pushing down on the pedal from 1'oclock to 5'oclock position...

which is why i said.. once, you get used to it.. you will notice what you are missing once you go back to normal platform pedals...

give it some read... can't master it in short time.. needs some time to get used to it before it becomes a natural / automatic thing that happens...

http://www.bicycling.com/training-nutritio...ct-pedal-stroke
http://www.body2bike.com/articles/perfect_pedalstroke.pdf
http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2009/05/effi...stroke-ankling/

QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 20 2012, 08:45 AM)
Well, for me, it's due to the weight and the price. It's not cheap and weighth more than normal pedal. <y current pedal only weight 110gm on each side.  biggrin.gif
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haiyah... tak boleh kira until li tat la...

the weight increase there might affect overall bike weight.. but don't have major effects on the performance on the bike la... furthermore... the slight gramage creep gets wiped out by it's massive advantages...
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Dude, relax i was just asking because the topic title was "Cycling V3, General talks on bicycles". So. Daaa..
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:39 PM

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Time to change the topic title to Racing/road bike rather than Cycling liao for sure haha...

MTB & RB are consider two distinct cat & dog for sure

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