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post Aug 16 2012, 12:24 PM

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anyone know where's in KL selling Drymax shock ??

i have 1 pair ordered from USA land, cost USD8.00 went missing when im moving! sigh....

Been using DryMax brand cycling shock... i can feel my legs are dry even after hours of cycling...
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post Aug 16 2012, 12:28 PM

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nah... go buy Uniqlo shox 5 pairs for RM39.90... i wear it to work/play/bike...
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 11:47 AM)
some Q on nutrition:

people normally willing to spend without doubt when paying for alcholol, for smoking, for gambling and etc etc....

but when come to nutrition, people have 101% doubt on it specially supplements.

How we as cyclist can have enough of nutrition to sustain our long ride? by eating more natural foods? but will it sufficient?

If our body did not get sufficient nutrition, our cycling wont be improve to next level. it's about train smart. but how?
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haiyah... why give yourself a headache la...

for me... supplements, pre, mid or post recovery drinks is something you have to do for long term one la... not just because you go to events and use it specifically for that event... your body won't be able to adapt on how it is fed to it when it is not previously used to it...

i heard some people who is not used to using powergel actually have problem with it and up to the point of vomiting... some people say it's due to the flavor... but i think it's due to how your intestinal track find itself absorbing so much glucose, sodium and watchamacallit is in that gel pack in a short time frame and then went into overload and cause some unwanted actions after that... it's not only about adapting to it... it's purely also about teaching your body to efficiently absorb and take care of the different medium that is used to deliver this needed nutrients to your body... you can't jus put it into shock at the very last minute...

same like altitude training.. you don't just go to the blardy high mountains for 2 weeks and hope your body will adapt to the thin oxygen and start to develop more red blood cells... before and after that, you have to sleep in a blardy altitude tent for most of the time when you are at home or moving around just to prep, keep and sustain the level that your body is in...

same like girls diet la.. kenot just expect 3 apples for 1 day for 1 week and then expect to lose 5 kilos after that and never ever gaining it back.. wishful thinking la...

i for one got no money to go through proper fueling methodologies... i jus drink cold water as much as i can...

QUOTE(hianboy @ Aug 16 2012, 11:55 AM)
great mentos
mentos is great...

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only RM1.70 per stick...i like.. if you lick it slowly... it will take 2 days to finish 1 stick...

QUOTE(joonming @ Aug 16 2012, 12:10 PM)
i only drink water b4 ride , or livita if tired that morning
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kudos to that... drink cold if can... shows that you are not old man at the same time...

and maybe some caffeine pre-ride to help release the glycogen stores... but, don't overdo it or your might bonk before you complete your ride...

QUOTE(mrjgx @ Aug 16 2012, 12:19 PM)
Oi who's on leave tomorrow? Any place u guys riding? Hehe
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wat is it la with you people... i wanna take leave but as minutes pass... it seems more and more impossible to leave work... WTF!!!

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 12:19 PM)
sweat.gif 

WTF...  doh.gif 

ok la. I go try and bang my head trying every nutrition to improve my cycling endurance and performance.

Fraser Hill KOM race would be the good race to test it out!

oh yeah... btw, anyone joining KOM Fraser hill ? RM50 with limits to 450 cyclists !

450, what ranking should i aim for? top 20%? it's 90th ! wah....
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wah.. top 20%.. wishful thinking boh???

think the top end of the group in the previous edition did something like a sub 1.5 hour ride or something like that..


Added on August 16, 2012, 12:46 pm
QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 12:24 PM)
anyone know where's in KL selling Drymax shock ??

i have 1 pair ordered from USA land, cost USD8.00 went missing when im moving! sigh....

Been using DryMax brand cycling shock... i can feel my legs are dry even after hours of cycling...
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i like defeet... ask Terry from Creative Mill and see if he brought it in..

i have a pair of airator my friend bought from the states.. sayang to the max but still torn after using it for not long... it's as the name suggests... a very airy pair and drys out super fast if you kena pissed on mid rite by mother nature...

me like defeet... but not available in KL... except you want to buy those pedro's branded defeet socks...

u got try the online seller called ccube or not? i think he has a blog selling all this funny brands not available in malaysia one... maybe you got luck that he has it...


Added on August 16, 2012, 12:53 pmEUREKA!!!

the focker does have it... but only 1 type... the low cut ones...

http://ccube-sports-hub.blogspot.com/search/label/Drymax

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For Defeet you guys can look over here, http://www.roadid.com/Common/Catalog.aspx?C=Apparel . Shipping quite cheap but have to wait long XD
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 12:24 PM)
anyone know where's in KL selling Drymax shock ??

i have 1 pair ordered from USA land, cost USD8.00 went missing when im moving! sigh....

Been using DryMax brand cycling shock... i can feel my legs are dry even after hours of cycling...
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buy from choi at butthead given link...his ID in lyn ccube

i prefer Injinji as it never failed me for FM and cycling thumbup.gif
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ROADKILL TO ALL!!!!

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post Aug 16 2012, 01:43 PM

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is that the 65.1 dogma 2 blink.gif ??? where's the EPS?

EPS!!! EPS!!! EPS!!!

looks like the next chris froome in the making tongue.gif
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 16 2012, 01:43 PM)
is that the 65.1 dogma 2  blink.gif ??? where's the EPS?

EPS!!! EPS!!! EPS!!!

looks like the next chris froome in the making  tongue.gif
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you sir have sharp eyes..Yes! Jami brought in 4 of these from Singapore. brows.gif
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post Aug 16 2012, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 16 2012, 01:46 PM)
you sir have sharp eyes..Yes! Jami brought in 4 of these from Singapore. brows.gif
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it's written very clearly there mar...jus thanks to the excellent Ctrl + on my firefox... i barely made out the writings on the seat tube...

so, we can expect you to break into the sub 2 hour barrier of Cameron KOM this year?
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 16 2012, 01:51 PM)
it's written very clearly there mar...jus thanks to the excellent Ctrl + on my firefox... i barely made out the writings on the seat tube...

so, we can expect you to break into the sub 2 hour barrier of Cameron KOM this year?
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sorry, didn't get to register KOM.They closed the registration too fast
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post Aug 16 2012, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 16 2012, 02:28 PM)
sorry, didn't get to register KOM.They closed the registration too fast
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haha... Too many people join too fast..they reach the limit to quickly
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post Aug 16 2012, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 16 2012, 12:41 PM)
haiyah... why give yourself a headache la...

for me... supplements, pre, mid or post recovery drinks is something you have to do for long term one la... not just because you go to events and use it specifically for that event... your body won't be able to adapt on how it is fed to it when it is not previously used to it...

i heard some people who is not used to using powergel actually have problem with it and up to the point of vomiting... some people say it's due to the flavor... but i think it's due to how your intestinal track find itself absorbing so much glucose, sodium and watchamacallit is in that gel pack in a short time frame and then went into overload and cause some unwanted actions after that... it's not only about adapting to it... it's purely also about teaching your body to efficiently absorb and take care of the different medium that is used to deliver this needed nutrients to your body... you can't jus put it into shock at the very last minute...

same like altitude training.. you don't just go to the blardy high mountains for 2 weeks and hope your body will adapt to the thin oxygen and start to develop more red blood cells...  before and after that, you have to sleep in a blardy altitude tent for most of the time when you are at home or moving around just to prep, keep and sustain the level that your body is in...

same like girls diet la.. kenot just expect 3 apples for 1 day for 1 week and then expect to lose 5 kilos after that and never ever gaining it back.. wishful thinking la...

i for one got no money to go through proper fueling methodologies... i jus drink cold water as much as i can...
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i'm aware of your point. it's not 1 week or 2 weeks can achieve ma....

anyway, btw, you're right on powergel. some people even cant take single powergel... for me, running 5-6 hours of 42km marathon timing pace, i can have 5-6 packs of powergels without any problem... somemore it's 2X caffeine le...

1 pack cost RM7.50, eat 6 pack RM45, complete a 42km marathon priceless...

now i'm changing my diet to much heathier punya... can feel some dizzy....

Give you 1 situation: 1 year reduce 1 inch would be ok right. if 15 years, doing the consistent thing, you will be like kurus dahan batang pokok....
so it's not working.

Thus as workload increase, your body will be become fit. Fit to support the endurance activities. That's why explain the still gemuk me! it's my body to support me!

no doubt, nutrition = money. hope my bonus higher this year... then i can buy more nutrition to feed my body...
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post Aug 16 2012, 04:33 PM

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Drymax socks is good, very smooth and always dry, I cant managed to find the same drymax I bought in the states..
Injinji is good because of the toe box, but a little bit too thick for my liking although i wear it all the time since it's the only socks that is compatible with VFF..


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post Aug 16 2012, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 16 2012, 12:41 PM)

wah.. top 20%.. wishful thinking boh???

think the top end of the group in the previous edition did something like a sub 1.5 hour ride or something like that..


Added on August 16, 2012, 12:46 pm

i like defeet... ask Terry from Creative Mill and see if he brought it in..

i have a pair of airator my friend bought from the states.. sayang to the max but still torn after using it for not long... it's as the name suggests... a very airy pair and drys out super fast if you kena pissed on mid rite by mother nature...

me like defeet... but not available in KL... except you want to buy those pedro's branded defeet socks...

u got try the online seller called ccube or not? i think he has a blog selling all this funny brands not available in malaysia one... maybe you got luck that he has it...


Added on August 16, 2012, 12:53 pmEUREKA!!!

the focker does have it... but only 1 type... the low cut ones...

http://ccube-sports-hub.blogspot.com/search/label/Drymax
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i know ccube. in fact he is my Saucony shoes provider since my 1st ever running shoe... Saucony triumph 5, 6,7, and 2 pairs of Triumph 8 plus also get from him countless RM50 Injinji socks!

he recently selling Drymax for running shock, asked him, too bad, his supplier tak bring in... ish... guess im going to buy from US online when i moved to new office.. have new address for delivery...

dare to dream top 20% is good ma... 1.5 hours ah? hmmm... i thinks i only can achieve about ngam ngam 2 hours kua... off course with few packs of Hammer gel hentam masuk body system to boost the power and energy on legs pedalling up Fraser hills...
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 03:27 PM)
i'm aware of your point. it's not 1 week or 2 weeks can achieve ma....

anyway, btw, you're right on powergel. some people even cant take single powergel... for me, running 5-6 hours of 42km marathon timing pace, i can have 5-6 packs of powergels without any problem... somemore it's 2X caffeine le...

1 pack cost RM7.50, eat 6 pack RM45, complete a 42km marathon priceless...

now i'm changing my diet to much heathier punya... can feel some dizzy....

Give you 1 situation: 1 year reduce 1 inch would be ok right. if 15 years, doing the consistent thing, you will be like kurus dahan batang pokok....
so it's not working.

Thus as workload increase, your body will be become fit. Fit to support the endurance activities. That's why explain the still gemuk me! it's my body to support me!

no doubt, nutrition = money. hope my bonus higher this year... then i can buy more nutrition to feed my body...
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in some ways, you're right about the two way supports...

if you're a performance athlete.. you will be looking at things that are more on the edge like weighing food so you are taking in less carbo than you are burning... and only feed or overfeeding a bit your body during times of over-exertion / competition... feeding your body to aid recovery... things of that sort...

which is not wrong if you're a highly paid athlete whose role is to win at all costs...

that being said, performance athletes also have off season weight because they could not afford to strain their body that way all year round as it is unhealthy doing so...and i bet most of us can't even tahan being late for lunch more than 2 hours just sitting in the office tapping away at the keyboard..

my friend who was a nutritionist for an image consultancy once told me that... a normal healthy person needs to have a minimal of 10% and above body fat (let's not talk about the good and bad fats) to operate normally as to many people who doesn't know... fat is actually a source of energy to our bodies as well, not just during the time when your glycogen stores run out.. but it is actually being depleted as time goes by along with all other bodily reserves...below 15% is a bit borderlining, but still safe... and this are guidelines set for normal human beings like you and me.. not athletes which are in a totally different level as they can cope with those burden of not having enough reserves to run on for long periods of time...

the consequences of having too little body fat is wide and can range from constant sickness or even chronic fatigue and stuff like that... imagine stick figure anorexic super models without makeup and you know why...

based on that information... and some other crap i read over time.. i think there is a balance between muscle mass and body fat... in the perspective of us normal folks, that balance is different for everyone and the respective field that they are into... for instance, a person who climbs more would want as little body mass as possible so they themselves are easier to propel forward... but they also just want the right amount of muscle mass so they generate enough power to do so... as muscle = power and muscle also = mass... it also comes to how fast it uses your reserves.. which is why there is a delicate balance in having just enough muscle to get your through... in other words a lean machine...factor in the amount of time you need to sustain maximum effort... the whole shit becomes too complicated...

so, my point.. looking thin is not equaling to being fit... it's about the ratio of muscle mass to body mass with the factor of body fat thrown in as cycling is all about propelling your body forwards in as fast a manner as possible...

woah!!! epic stray off here... i don't even know what i just wrote... good luck with it.. the whack of crap above this most probably makes no sense and wasted your last 2.5minutes reading it...as usual...

back to topic...

think you should read some of the articles from the notorius doctor ferrari...old stuff... but i think it's true...

http://53x12.com/do/show?page=articles

they don't give you direct advise as in to take this or take that... but makes you think about what is needed for yourself and how to strategize it as every different body have different needs...also other interesting articles on the science of the sport...


Added on August 16, 2012, 5:00 pm
QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 04:45 PM)
dare to dream top 20% is good ma... 1.5 hours ah? hmmm... i thinks i only can achieve about ngam ngam 2 hours kua... off course with few packs of Hammer gel hentam masuk body system to boost the power and energy on legs pedalling up Fraser hills...
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2 hours i think is the winner of KOM cameron....a whole 20++ KM longer than Frasers..

you treat your nutrition like it's dope...


This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 16 2012, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 16 2012, 01:36 PM)
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Dogma!!! My group legendary rider also got his dogma from jami...

QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 16 2012, 01:43 PM)
is that the 65.1 dogma 2  blink.gif ??? where's the EPS?

EPS!!! EPS!!! EPS!!!

looks like the next chris froome in the making  tongue.gif
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Malaysia 1st EPS is on LOOK bike... i thinks i posted here before right...

QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 16 2012, 01:46 PM)
you sir have sharp eyes..Yes! Jami brought in 4 of these from Singapore. brows.gif
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is Jami have the knowledge / capable on setup EPS? I remembered the Msia 1st EPS on LOOK bike which setup at KH Cycle, some parts were setup in advance in SG, while rest of part finished off at here....

just curious to find out... biggrin.gif
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it's a newer dogma 2... the one team sky is riding now...

i think it's just a matter of learning it... i heard it is not as hard to setup compared to conventional cable operated ones... you just need to set the limit adjustment screws properly and the shifting is spot on automatically...

just need to learn the combination of button presses and stuff to zero the settings and shit..
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i dont know about the details.

perhaps KH Msia is supported by KH SG, thus, some setup done in SG before send to Msia.

i thinks i prefer the mechanical groupset... dont know how cheap can Dura-Ace groupset cost when the electronic groupset become common available !
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 12:24 PM)
anyone know where's in KL selling Drymax shock ??

i have 1 pair ordered from USA land, cost USD8.00 went missing when im moving! sigh....

Been using DryMax brand cycling shock... i can feel my legs are dry even after hours of cycling...
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I think Running Lab got la... why not try Injinji while riding ? Could work ...


Added on August 16, 2012, 5:32 pm
QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 11:47 AM)
some Q on nutrition:

people normally willing to spend without doubt when paying for alcholol, for smoking, for gambling and etc etc....

but when come to nutrition, people have 101% doubt on it specially supplements.

How we as cyclist can have enough of nutrition to sustain our long ride? by eating more natural foods? but will it sufficient?

If our body did not get sufficient nutrition, our cycling wont be improve to next level. it's about train smart. but how?
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I used to eat Cloud 9 for my feeding. Bananas will spoil easily, unless it was supplied by the team. When I was training on my own I relied on Cloud 9. Those days not a single energy bar/gel can be found in Malaysia, unless the team brought it in. No GNC, Guardian was around, but they dun sell energy bars... the only brand I can remember was Shaklee. Even then it was only sold thru agents...

This post has been edited by tenno: Aug 16 2012, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 16 2012, 05:23 PM)
i dont know about the details.

perhaps KH Msia is supported by KH SG, thus, some setup done in SG before send to Msia.

i  thinks i prefer the mechanical groupset... dont know how cheap can Dura-Ace groupset cost when the electronic groupset become common available !
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KH SG in the big brother head office... maybe...

i don't think they will slash the price of DA mechanical since they look like making both mechanical and Di2 separate line ups...

QUOTE(tenno @ Aug 16 2012, 05:28 PM)
I think Running Lab got la... why not try Injinji while riding ? Could work ...
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running lab is kinda quite pricey...

does it not work for cycling???

just thought it was just another pair of funky socks...

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