True also, there's no definite bad or definite good. Definitely can see my own improvement over the years, gather some norms and favourite shooting style and subject along the way. But the most apparent improvement for me, is where the eye to see a good photo comes with experience.

Anyway, anyone here heard about "toastmaster"? Any photography programme / club like toastmaster?

no degree, but got courses.
http://www.epayment.ppnm-iium.com/main
heard SEGI college also got offer courses.

most workshops are abit boring, cos they dont teach u anything much like hands on of setting up lighting etc.
few workshops i seen the pics, everyone got same lighting in the picture but diff angles...so pretty obvious that the lecturer or whoever just set up the lights...talk talk abit...then everyone shoot.

Haha. If only they have photography toastmaster style. That would make things very interesting.

Personally I prefer mentoring, what u learn is only as good as what u ask.

actually if kevin azrul abdullah ever does another workshop, u should attend.
ifer should know him really well

Curiously enough I met veteran photographer John Ishii in person last Friday, he also expressed that if you really are serious about learning more about photography, you gotta find a mentor and also shoot some personal projects. He was nice enough to layan me that day haha. But looking for a mentor is somewhat hard nowadays, with so many people roaming out and about shooting.

True enough. Who wanna mentor me

I would say mentor is best choice. If cannot find mentor, find group of friends with same curiosity and interest who is willing to share. I seen it happen many times. Ppl break into groups and there will always be one who is more 'experimental' and the rest will follow, and everyone contributes to the group.

When I started playing, I was lucky to meet a few creative people, who kindly added me to their group. Learned many new ideas from them. Inspired. But now back to my old ways of randomly shooting

This post has been edited by gerald7: Apr 21 2012, 03:40 PM

That's why we wanna try and get a TT even a small one done and have our idol MR IFER to comeby and guide us all......
now waiting for that Setapak TT......

Ehh you guys got TT at setapak? Bila?

Hahahaa
He is doing the Nikon photo level 4 and Nikon Shooting Stars with me.

You guys still want the TT. i hve totally forgotten about it. Green Rose arr?

that one still going on?
Leica dont make noise that hes doing for Nikon too?

Hahaa. No exclusive rights.
I am working with Hassy and Canon too

Green rose any time. haha

But TT with all the Elite and Sifu, must plan.

This post has been edited by hidden830726: Apr 21 2012, 07:52 PM

sweet! too bad i cant join

guys... any idea what small bag do you recommend on getting for a light traveller? daily use and will always full-charge on-the-go... packing up just a D7000 with grip and 1lens attached either prime or kitlens (with hood) and nothing else.

Actually, I asked is to see any other options available. I do found many but most cant fit in the grip. If the grip fits, then the bag would be big and bulky.

Any of you travelling light with just simple gear?

Go travel stil bring grip? D7000 already heavy machine =.=

Kata light tri 233

Using it as my daily pack d7000 with grip 16-35 f4, 70-200 2.8, sb700, cpl and nd filter. Still can skip spare battery it's damn comfortable too!

cant get a real close up shot using 18-200mm lens
cant take any food pictures lol

ehhh~ why not?? i manage to take food pictures with both the 18-55 or the 35mm.. i thought 18-200 shud be possible? the MFD is 50cm~ what you were trying to achieve?

Don't worry guys