Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Edition, Discuss about storyline here.
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 Mar 9 2012, 11:44 AM, updated 14y ago
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WTH la, i keep bump into spoiler in the main thread, some ppl just dont know how to use spoiler
So this thread is dedicated for those want to discuss about storyline WARNING: For those haven't play this game, please avoid this thread, its full of spoilers. ANyway, main thread here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1674541 |
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Mar 9 2012, 12:50 PM
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First post.
 Anyone liked the endings? My thoughts on the endings. QUOTE It was the ending the series deserved, but IMO, the endings just failed to cater for everyone. Some people would love a dark ending, some a fairy tale ending, while some others, everything in between. Different gamers have different motivations and expectations when playing this game, and the end result implied that all our choices, all our hardwork never really mattered. Bioware never gave us the power to decide how it all should go down. Instead of giving us many roads going in different directions, Bioware only gave us a road with many lanes, all going in one direction. Now for some explanation to the ending. QUOTE Reapers exist to reap advanced civilizations every 50000 years for one singular purpose. Reapers wipe out advanced civilizations to prevent organics from reaching tech singularity, creating synthetics which will in turn, wipe out organics. Wait, what? You heard that right. In a nutshell, synthetics wipe out organics to prevent organics from creating synthetics which will wipe out organics.  Confused? You should be.The only difference. Reapers seek to eradicate and harvest, in doing so, they preserve a civilization in reaper form. They only eradicate advanced civilizations, leaving the lesser civilizations intact. Whereas, synthetics, once reaching tech singularity, will eventually surpass their creators and supercede them, wiping them out completely. And they will continue to expand, eventually wiping out everything completely. Hence, the reapers created the cycle. The citadel and mass relays were all created by the reapers, in order to funnel civilization after civilization into a singular path, predictable and can be easily countered by the reapers. In the ending, no matter which path you take, the mass relays will be destroyed, indicating an uncertain yet promising future, a future where the reapers do not have a hidden hand in it. This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 9 2012, 02:37 PM |
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Mar 9 2012, 01:18 PM
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is there anyway to prevent Tali from jumping? i had to resort for the geths because they are more powerful
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Mar 9 2012, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 9 2012, 01:18 PM) is there anyway to prevent Tali from jumping? i had to resort for the geths because they are more powerful If you choose the geth, Tali will kill herself no matter what you do.  IMO, don't choose the geth if you're gonna destroy the reapers in the end. It's counter-productive.  |
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The rage about the endings is quite informative.
Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending? |
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Mar 9 2012, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 02:23 PM) The rage about the endings is quite informative. Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly. Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending?  Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.QUOTE Catalyst: You have choice, more than you deserve. Shepard: Okay, three choices right? What happens if I choose this? Catalyst: All relays will be destroyed. And you will die. Shepard: What about this one? Catalyst: You die. Shepard: And this one? Catalyst: You die. Shepard: I don't have a choice, do I? Catalyst: Nope. This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 9 2012, 02:46 PM |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 02:45 PM) Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly. You forgot Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.Grandpa tell us the story again |
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Mar 9 2012, 03:40 PM
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Who cried when Mordin died? I know I did
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Mar 9 2012, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 03:45 PM) Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly. You can survive the Destroy ending if your War Efforts exceed 4000 (if you saved Anderson in the end) or 5000 (regardless of whether or not you save Anderson) Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.Other than that, no. You die. |
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Mar 9 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Mar 9 2012, 03:50 PM) You can survive the Destroy ending if your War Efforts exceed 4000 (if you saved Anderson in the end) or 5000 (regardless of whether or not you save Anderson) I'm halfway through the story, and I already have 4000+ EMS and 80% galactic readiness. Other than that, no. You die.  |
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Mar 9 2012, 04:52 PM
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ME3 was pretty dissapointing..
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Mar 9 2012, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 02:45 PM) Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly. To be honest, I'd been compelled to get the game had the ending was anything but this, even if I had to install Origins and what-not. Hell, I wouldn't have minded Shepard dying. (I sacrificed my mage in DA:O to kill the Darkspawn dragon. It was worth every emotional rollercoaster along the way.) Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.But this ending... I feel cheated of my hundreds of hours in ME1 and ME2. Needless to say, I'll just get this once it is GOTY to see how's the ride to the end is like (this one I heard people unanimously praise) and try to ignore the last five minutes of Bioware saying **** you to the fans of the setting. |
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Mar 9 2012, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 05:03 PM) To be honest, I'd been compelled to get the game had the ending was anything but this, even if I had to install Origins and what-not. Hell, I wouldn't have minded Shepard dying. (I sacrificed my mage in DA:O to kill the Darkspawn dragon. It was worth every emotional rollercoaster along the way.) The story progression is rather good, there are a few moments in the game which can take your breath away, or make your jaw drop, or make you cry your heart out, however you'll be appalled with the story linearity and lack of choices in the game. Basically, the game can only be played in one way, and that's it.But this ending... I feel cheated of my hundreds of hours in ME1 and ME2. Needless to say, I'll just get this once it is GOTY to see how's the ride to the end is like (this one I heard people unanimously praise) and try to ignore the last five minutes of Bioware saying **** you to the fans of the setting. As I like to say, it's Modern Warfare 3 in space. The game will just hold your hand throughout the entire story.  This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 9 2012, 05:10 PM |
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Mar 9 2012, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 05:08 PM) The story progression is rather good, there are a few moments in the game which can take your breath away, or make your jaw drop, or make you cry your heart out, however you'll be appalled with the story linearity and lack of choices in the game. Basically, the game can only be played in one way, and that's it. Heh. That doesn't sound good for a game that sells itself on "CHOICES MATTER, THE GALAXY LIVES OR DIE BASED ON IT". The galaxy dies anyway, no matter what you do. As I like to say, it's Modern Warfare 3 in space. The game will just hold your hand throughout the entire story. Inb4BrokenSteelDLCforME3togettherealending.  |
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Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 02:23 PM) The rage about the endings is quite informative. I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right? Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending? I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007. People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something. Added on March 9, 2012, 5:29 pm QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 05:15 PM) Heh. That doesn't sound good for a game that sells itself on "CHOICES MATTER, THE GALAXY LIVES OR DIE BASED ON IT". The galaxy dies anyway, no matter what you do. Now Fallout 3's ending... sucked hard.Inb4BrokenSteelDLCforME3togettherealending. This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 9 2012, 05:29 PM |
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Mar 9 2012, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM) I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right? Hey, at least it provided closure, something which Mass Effect 3 failed to do. I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007. People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something. The problem wasn't that it was full of tragedy or anything. Give how big a threat the reapers are, it would make sense that the galaxy would be embroiled in a bloody war. But you know what ME3 did? They invalidated all your efforts, used a magical space MacGuffin to resolve the plot and left the fate of everyone else unanswered. You united the galaxy against the Reapers. lolgoodjobbrah, now magical space macguffin shall destroy all reapers and strand everyone in Sol. Also, you just sent the galaxy into a new dark age. Congrats bro, you're a winner. Even my initial predictions that the Reapers would roll over everyone anyway and start the cycle anew seems like a better ending. At least you knew you tried your best, and your best just wasn't enough. That would be both a tragic ending, and one that actually made sense. Don't get me wrong, I think the game is awesome, and reviews do agree with me. But the ending is just lazy, and could have been handled so much better. Why am I posting here when I don't even have the game? Because I like the setting and this kind of shoddy end just smacks me in the face. |
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Mar 9 2012, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM) I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right? DA:O is leagues ahead of ME3 in terms of storytelling. DA:O has countless story arcs and multiple choices which can radically change the story.I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007. People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something. Nothing wrong with the endings. Problem has always been the lack of choices. Bioware could've written both happy and sad endings into the game, and let players choose which ending they like but they were apparently too lazy to do that.  So lazy, in fact, they had to plagiarize Tali's face, and several other stuff in the game.  QUOTE EA: So, will the game be ready by March 6? Bioware: No, not yet. Just finished writing the bad ending. Still working on the good ending. EA: Okay, what is the bad ending going to be like? Bioware: Oh, you know... mass relays gets destroyed, shepard dies, you know the usual stuff. In fact, to make the ending more sinister, we intend to maroon all of Shepard's crew on an unknown planet and then fade to black to add more insult to injury. EA: What will the good ending be like? Bioware: We intend to write closing scripts for everything and everyone the player has come across in the game. It will please our fans immensely. EA: f*** that. That will delay the game even further. Just put that bad ending in the game and change it around a bit. They won't notice a thing. Bioware: But every game should have a happy ending... EA: Whatever. Just put a post credits scene, saying it was just a story. We'll get Buzz Aldrin to VA for that scene. And if that wasn't enough, tell your fans to buy our DLCs. This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 9 2012, 06:18 PM |
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Mar 9 2012, 06:09 PM
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i know i shouldnt read this but what happen to cerberus? the hollow man? forget the name already but hes miranda leader
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Mar 9 2012, 07:35 PM
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sadz. i thought i can live happily ever after with liara together with my blue childrens. disappointed with the ending really.
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Mar 9 2012, 07:50 PM
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i think the best part when the story about quarian and krogan, but the finale...upset me the most,some old gazer told his grandson a story? wtf is that
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Mar 9 2012, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(pekkauwer @ Mar 9 2012, 07:09 PM) i know i shouldnt read this but what happen to cerberus? the hollow man? forget the name already but hes miranda leader The Illusive Man?Part Husk, fully indoctrinated ala Saren (but he doesn't realize it), and you either kill him or convince him to kill himself (just like Saren). QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Mar 9 2012, 08:35 PM) sadz. i thought i can live happily ever after with liara together with my blue childrens. disappointed with the ending really. They did.they dont even show tali's face. You need to romance Tali in order to see it, but it's a whole bunch of nothing anyway. The fanart depicts a better version of Tali's face. QUOTE(abgbeca @ Mar 9 2012, 08:50 PM) i think the best part when the story about quarian and krogan, but the finale...upset me the most,some old gazer told his grandson a story? wtf is that It turns out that The Story of the Shepard is nothing more than a future fairy tale.It's all a dream. Bioware trolled the shit out of all of us. |
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Mar 9 2012, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Mar 9 2012, 08:18 PM) Bioware trolled the shit out of all of us. This is probably a concise summary of this game. |
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Mar 9 2012, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 09:14 PM) This is probably a concise summary of this game. hahahaha i tot so, blame EA for this, |
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Mar 10 2012, 12:32 AM
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the part mordin died make me sad. and the thresher maw scene was OMG!
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Mar 10 2012, 02:17 AM
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The fan rage over at BSN is astounding.
This doesn't even include the Europeans, who only received their games today. EDIT: Telling poll is telling. http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989 This post has been edited by Grif: Mar 10 2012, 02:44 AM |
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Mar 10 2012, 02:48 AM
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the ending abit potong stim lah.. just finished it. i chose control over destruction lol
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Mar 10 2012, 07:52 AM
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wahhhhhhh illusive man died :/
kinda sad although his voice acting in ME2 seems hes like handsome man :> |
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Mar 10 2012, 12:31 PM
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make a petition. ask them to create better endings. lol
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Mar 10 2012, 01:30 PM
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so anyone bought the DLC yet?
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Mar 10 2012, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Mar 10 2012, 12:31 PM) make a petition. ask them to create better endings. lol *cough* Broken Steel DLC *cough*No, seriously. I want the option to show that space Jesus a middle finger. If anyone deserved it, it was that smug AI. |
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Mar 10 2012, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 10 2012, 01:38 PM) *cough* Broken Steel DLC *cough* I dont mind if it comes in dlc. others might make a sound but for me i want my game to be complete and satisfying. No, seriously. I want the option to show that space Jesus a middle finger. If anyone deserved it, it was that smug AI. |
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Mar 10 2012, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 02:17 PM) If you choose the geth, Tali will kill herself no matter what you do. my tali didnt suicide because i already convince her in ME2, i choose the geth, they living together in the planetIMO, don't choose the geth if you're gonna destroy the reapers in the end. It's counter-productive. |
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Mar 10 2012, 05:28 PM
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The dlc is not that bad. I got it with the CE.
Question: I am in Surkesh extracting the female krogan. Have I reach 50% of the game already? |
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Mar 10 2012, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(Kelrys @ Mar 10 2012, 05:28 PM) Question: I am in Surkesh extracting the female krogan. Have I reach 50% of the game already? 20-30%. |
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Mar 11 2012, 09:46 AM
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After completing Grissom Academy, where can i find the students or sanders on board the normandy?
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Mar 11 2012, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(Savor_Savvy @ Mar 11 2012, 09:46 AM) After completing Grissom Academy, where can i find the students or sanders on board the normandy? You don't. They get evac'd and will not be on the normandy |
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Mar 11 2012, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(xXAgent47Xx @ Mar 11 2012, 12:55 PM) You don't. They get evac'd and will not be on the normandy Thanks!! |
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Mar 11 2012, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 10 2012, 01:38 PM) *cough* Broken Steel DLC *cough*  next we have people raging how EA is 'shallow' and 'money minded'. Actually why they did it like that makes a lot of sense. One, Shepard is dead. They always said ME3 will be the end of Shepard's trilogy than spanned 5 years since ME1. Now they can make more games without worrying about putting him/her in as a cameo to please 'fans'. Next, if it's all just a retelling by some granddad who sounds like Martin Sheen to his grandkid, the possibilities for stories is endless. No restrictions. The grandkid can just say 'tell me about the Skyllian Blitz' and BOOM, game. |
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Mar 11 2012, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 11 2012, 02:22 PM) next we have people raging how EA is 'shallow' and 'money minded'. Actually why they did it like that makes a lot of sense. One, Shepard is dead. They always said ME3 will be the end of Shepard's trilogy than spanned 5 years since ME1. Now they can make more games without worrying about putting him/her in as a cameo to please 'fans'. Next, if it's all just a retelling by some granddad who sounds like Martin Sheen to his grandkid, the possibilities for stories is endless. No restrictions. The grandkid can just say 'tell me about the Skyllian Blitz' and BOOM, game. QUOTE Grandchild: Granpa, can you tell me more about the Shepard? Grandfather: Did you buy any DLC? Grandchild: No... Grandfather: Then, no. Go to f***ing bed I wished Khalisa Jilani replaced Diana Allers instead... |
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Mar 11 2012, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 11 2012, 10:18 PM) I wished Khalisa Jilani replaced Diana Allers instead... Actually now you got me curious bout the dlc... wonder what its gonna be about. If it's like Shadow Broker, then bring it on.Heck yeah, wouldn't mind her. I found Allers so useless. |
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Mar 12 2012, 09:48 AM
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My femshep's ending. Please enjoy |
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Mar 12 2012, 02:55 PM
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Guys/Gals,
What the heck does the war map readiness ratings have to do with the ending? Unlike ME1 or 2 where if u didn't do many side quests, during last mission your squadmates will die ... ME3 seems like no difference at all? |
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Mar 12 2012, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Mar 12 2012, 02:55 PM) Guys/Gals, To explain this, What the heck does the war map readiness ratings have to do with the ending? Unlike ME1 or 2 where if u didn't do many side quests, during last mission your squadmates will die ... ME3 seems like no difference at all? You gain Galactic Readiness (GR) by playing multiplayer. GR is 50% by default You gain Total Military Strength (TMS) by playing the single player campaign. Effective Military Strength (EMS) will determine what ending you will get. EMS = TMS x GR If you're not into any multiplayer at all, all your TMS will be halved. Example, if you managed to amass 8000 TMS in single player mode, your EMS is only 4000 if you don't play multiplayer mode. However, if you do play multiplayer and you manage to get your GR to 100%, your EMS will be 8000. How EMS will influence your ending <4000 Bad ending >4000 Good ending, however to get the best possible ending, you need to save Anderson >5000 Best ending possible, without needing to save Anderson |
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Mar 12 2012, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 12 2012, 04:44 PM) To explain this, It is entirely possible to play SP only and get the 'best ending'. Best ending in quotations because technically they are all the same.You gain Galactic Readiness (GR) by playing multiplayer. GR is 50% by default You gain Total Military Strength (TMS) by playing the single player campaign. Effective Military Strength (EMS) will determine what ending you will get. EMS = TMS x GR If you're not into any multiplayer at all, all your TMS will be halved. Example, if you managed to amass 8000 TMS in single player mode, your EMS is only 4000 if you don't play multiplayer mode. However, if you do play multiplayer and you manage to get your GR to 100%, your EMS will be 8000. How EMS will influence your ending <4000 Bad ending >4000 Good ending, however to get the best possible ending, you need to save Anderson >5000 Best ending possible, without needing to save Anderson |
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Mar 12 2012, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 12 2012, 04:44 PM) How EMS will influence your ending <4000 Bad ending >4000 Good ending, however to get the best possible ending, you need to save Anderson >5000 Best ending possible, without needing to save Anderson QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 12 2012, 05:24 PM) It is entirely possible to play SP only and get the 'best ending'. Best ending in quotations because technically they are all the same. Ah! Thanks for the explanation! I was wondering why my ending seemed a little ... shorter ... than other endings I'd seen on the web. Time for another playthrough! |
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Mar 12 2012, 08:37 PM
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man u guys weren't kidding. all the endings sucked balls! it's like the writers just gave up thinking about it and just went with the three most derpiest..
i don't mind Shepard dying but i was really hoping for a Fallout-esque (see New Vegas) kind of closure for everyone else. They don't even have to make a cutscene.. as for the rest of the game i thought it was great. |
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Mar 12 2012, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 08:37 PM) man u guys weren't kidding. all the endings sucked balls! it's like the writers just gave up thinking about it and just went with the three most derpiest.. What a way to cap such a great game huh?i don't mind Shepard dying but i was really hoping for a Fallout-esque (see New Vegas) kind of closure for everyone else. They don't even have to make a cutscene.. as for the rest of the game i thought it was great. |
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Mar 12 2012, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 12 2012, 08:39 PM) What a way to cap such a great game huh? yeah bro. i mean what's the point of making peace between the krogan, turians, geth & quarians if all i'd get in the end is a crash-landed Normandy?  i had hoped to see Liara's baby, Tali & Garrus's wedding and a goddamnit Shepard statue as big as Harbinger! ok maybe i need to lie down now.. |
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Mar 12 2012, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 09:39 PM) yeah bro. i mean what's the point of making peace between the krogan, turians, geth & quarians if all i'd get in the end is a crash-landed Normandy? Have your imagination, and who knows what the future holds? i had hoped to see Liara's baby, Tali & Garrus's wedding and a goddamnit Shepard statue as big as Harbinger! ok maybe i need to lie down now..  I'm annoyed not by the ending but by the fact I cannot save in the command center. I want to hear these last words from them again damnit without having to be blinded by the damn Hades cannon!! Added on March 12, 2012, 9:54 pmUgh nevermind I take that back. Once I hit the ground I could save. This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 12 2012, 09:54 PM |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:01 PM
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i also didn't like the London fight. AT ALL. from start to finish. felt it was kinda dull after Tuchanka & Rannoch..
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Mar 12 2012, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:01 PM) i also didn't like the London fight. AT ALL. from start to finish. felt it was kinda dull after Tuchanka & Rannoch.. LOL...and maybe because i kept getting raped by Brutes & Banshees. why u no stop chasing me? Enjoying the calm before the storm at the Forward Operating Base. DAMNNIT tearing up at Garrus and Shepard talking about meeting 'in the bar up there'! And Ashley. Guess they all know he ain't coming back, for good this time. |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:12 PM
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there's one other thing i don't get. what the heck was the Normandy doing in the end? outrunning the Crucible beam?
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Mar 12 2012, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:12 PM) there's one other thing i don't get. what the heck was the Normandy doing in the end? outrunning the Crucible beam? Er another imagination segment WHY??? I put it together with how come Kaidan acts like he was on every mission in ME1 when I never took him out of the Normandy |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:12 PM) there's one other thing i don't get. what the heck was the Normandy doing in the end? outrunning the Crucible beam? Shoddy writing and plotholes. WHY??? Normandy has a secret plothole device that allows them to escape. No, seriously, that scene was just wrong. The Joker I know would never abandon Shepard. |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 12 2012, 10:17 PM) Shoddy writing and plotholes. they even had a cliched lets look at the pretty sunset afterwards.. Normandy has a secret plothole device that allows them to escape. No, seriously, that scene was just wrong. The Joker I know would never abandon Shepard. i would have been happy if the ending only showed the Shepard hologram device that Liara made being played..  |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:26 PM
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banshee took a shit load of time to kill even with maximum upgraded sniper and armor piercing ammo, tank and the flying sheep is pretty much a 1 hit KO for me
and ending did suck but somewhat true if they didn't had such ending, the storyline will never end. Eventually, somebody will fight and Shepard have to be the universe saviour again and again. And Kai Leng sucks. Too easy already prior to the final fight |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Mar 12 2012, 10:26 PM) and ending did suck but somewhat true if they didn't had such ending, the storyline will never end. Eventually, somebody will fight and Shepard have to be the universe saviour again and again. Not really.Shepard would say, "I saved the ****ing galaxy from the Reapers. Go sort this yourself. Imma gonna bang Liara." |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Mar 12 2012, 10:26 PM) banshee took a shit load of time to kill even with maximum upgraded sniper and armor piercing ammo, tank and the flying sheep is pretty much a 1 hit KO for me Yeah true, way to tie up all the loose ends by making things explode. Easy way, kill him/her.and ending did suck but somewhat true if they didn't had such ending, the storyline will never end. Eventually, somebody will fight and Shepard have to be the universe saviour again and again. And Kai Leng sucks. Too easy already prior to the final fight Kai Leng... reading Ascension, I expected him to be different. Oh well. Added on March 12, 2012, 10:31 pm QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:21 PM) they even had a cliched lets look at the pretty sunset afterwards.. That memories thing Liara made was really sweet and awesome! Loved that scene! i would have been happy if the ending only showed the Shepard hologram device that Liara made being played.. This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 12 2012, 10:31 PM |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:35 PM
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the bath room scene with samantha traynor as female shep is pretty satisfying
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Mar 12 2012, 10:39 PM
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Oh, btw, on Kai Leng, you should read this for what he does during Mass Effect: Deception.
 The rest can be found here. Imgur |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:51 PM
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Why the crap did Matriach Aethyta call Shepard, Liara's 'Cerberus boyfriend'? He was never with Liara in my game
rejected her in ME1 too! |
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Mar 12 2012, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 12 2012, 10:17 PM) Shoddy writing and plotholes. There's actually a secret ending in the game. When the catalyst asks you to make a choice, turn around and walk away. The catalyst will call you back and give you one more choice. Normandy has a secret plothole device that allows them to escape. No, seriously, that scene was just wrong. The Joker I know would never abandon Shepard. He reveals a time machine which will allow you to go back to either past, alternate present or future. Past: Go back millions of years to kill the creator of the reapers Alternate Present: Go to an alternate present and kill the team of writers at Bioware who wrote these crap endings Future: Go years into the future to kill the stargazer and his grandson |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:15 AM
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At the ending now. Gonna destroy. Thats what we've been trying to do since ME1, why stop now? Yeah, understand now that the game was great until the kid arrived. Maybe making Shepard collapse and be unable to activate the Crucible would have been depressing, but better in a way.
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Mar 13 2012, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 13 2012, 12:15 AM) At the ending now. Gonna destroy. Thats what we've been trying to do since ME1, why stop now? Yeah, understand now that the game was great until the kid arrived. Maybe making Shepard collapse and be unable to activate the Crucible would have been depressing, but better in a way. The reason why most people got pissed with the last 10 minutes of the game This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 13 2012, 12:25 AM |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:27 AM
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So apparently in one of the endings, my shepard is still on london under a pile of rubble after the whole blow up and destroy the reapers thing. Hm....
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Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(xXAgent47Xx @ Mar 13 2012, 12:27 AM) So apparently in one of the endings, my shepard is still on london under a pile of rubble after the whole blow up and destroy the reapers thing. Hm.... That is why the hallucination theory is so popular. Or alternatively, he managed to survive both the explosion of the Citadel and atmospheric re-entry into Earth to land in London. |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:23 AM) The reason why most people got pissed with the last 10 minutes of the game I also feel damn sad that taking Garrus and Liara meant they got vaporized by the Reaper. DAMNIT!! Also the kid was unnecessary... I do prefer it ending before the kid. Reapers win, end story. Or Shepard dying breath manage to magically activate the Crucible then get blown up and die. Hm then he wouldn't know he would be dooming the galaxy to a dark age... ehehe. Added on March 13, 2012, 12:35 am QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM) That is why the hallucination theory is so popular. Well he has been dreaming about the kid, at the end of the last dream he hugs the kid. Significance? I dunno. Then the kid says 'wake up'. Who knows? But if its a hallucination, how did he trigger the Crucible?Or alternatively, he managed to survive both the explosion of the Citadel and atmospheric re-entry into Earth to land in London. This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 13 2012, 12:35 AM |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM) Also the kid was unnecessary... I do prefer it ending before the kid. Reapers win, end story. Or Shepard dying breath manage to magically activate the Crucible then get blown up and die. Hm then he wouldn't know he would be dooming the galaxy to a dark age... ehehe. That right there is preferable to the mess we got right now. Because at least it makes sense. I feel you bro. It's like an end to an era. EDIT: @hallucination Fan-theory goes that he didn't trigger the Crucible. It was all an attempt by Harbringer to indoctrinate Shepard into siding with the Reapers. Or something. It gets rather messy. This post has been edited by Grif: Mar 13 2012, 12:37 AM |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 13 2012, 12:36 AM) That right there is preferable to the mess we got right now. Because at least it makes sense. Oh well... have to accept the ending. My imagination can suffice but its kinda hard to imagine Shepard being alive. I prefer him being dead... been prepared for that since ME1.I feel you bro. It's like an end to an era. EDIT: @hallucination Fan-theory goes that he didn't trigger the Crucible. It was all an attempt by Harbringer to indoctrinate Shepard into siding with the Reapers. Or something. It gets rather messy. end of an era... 5 years of my life spent in anticipation and enjoyment. Argh.Hm... makes sense also. I mean I get the whole overlord over synthetic and organic life crap but why that kid? He should have stayed in the dreams and guilt-tripped Shepard. The overlord could have been some AI. And bloody Harbinger, thanks for killing Garrus and Liara!! I should have taken Vega and EDI! Then I wouldn't have to kill EDI as collateral damage. EDIT: I don't think there is any doubt what Joker was doing. He was probably in orbit around Earth fighting the Reapers, saw the Sol relay go BOOM and tried to get the hell outta there. Maybe he was close to it to explain the proximity. I just wonder where they ended up? Nice planet. The squadmates who were with you got vaporized obviously. Thanks BioWare, I didn't expect that to happen My Garrus and Liara... my fav characters...  I'm happy to see intelligent debate rather than mindless rage. This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 13 2012, 12:46 AM |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:51 AM
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Maybe it should've been like this?
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Mar 13 2012, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:51 AM) Maybe it should've been like this? Damn. I just had catharsis watching that ending. The Vigil song was a nice touch. I cried manly tears. EDIT: I noticed a trend. Anything without that stupid Space Jesus was infinitely better. Even this chopped up ending was miles better. This post has been edited by Grif: Mar 13 2012, 01:01 AM |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:51 AM) Maybe it should've been like this? Just the ending in my head I just had catharsis watching that ending. Hey I created an ending in my head for KotOR and its sequel, I can certainly erase 10 mins from my memory! |
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Mar 14 2012, 03:05 AM
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Stupid kid. Shepard can survive Mass Effect 1 and 2, killing and letting team mates die but he has nightmares about a dumb kid.
I can't tahan the ending with the kid saying "I am the Citadel"....Omg lah. I HATE KIDS. |
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Mar 14 2012, 07:47 AM
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is there only 3 endings?
and yep, ending sucks. too short for me. |
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Mar 14 2012, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE(Katsuke @ Mar 14 2012, 03:05 AM) ....Omg lah. I HATE KIDS. me too. |
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Mar 14 2012, 10:05 AM
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Why Bioware made Wrex so weak?
In Virmire, he gets one-shot killed by a cheap rifle. In Citadel if you betrayed him, he gets killed by 2 pistol shots. |
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Mar 14 2012, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Mar 14 2012, 10:05 AM) Why Bioware made Wrex so weak? I wonder what happens if you don't use the Renegade option to shoot him. In Virmire, he gets one-shot killed by a cheap rifle. In Citadel if you betrayed him, he gets killed by 2 pistol shots. Shepard dies and Critical Mission Failure? lol. |
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Mar 14 2012, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(Katsuke @ Mar 14 2012, 03:05 AM) Stupid kid. Shepard can survive Mass Effect 1 and 2, killing and letting team mates die but he has nightmares about a dumb kid. Space Jesus never happened. You hear me?I can't tahan the ending with the kid saying "I am the Citadel"....Omg lah. I HATE KIDS. It was all a fail attempt by Harby to indoctrinate Shepard. |
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Mar 14 2012, 04:34 PM
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  interesting. ok...this is another, just take this as joke though coz those 4chan minions are smart SOB at something like this: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by ray148: Mar 14 2012, 05:34 PM |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 14 2012, 04:34 PM) interesting. ok...this is another, just take this as joke though coz those 4chan minions are smart SOB at something like this: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «  |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:03 PM
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it's free.....
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Mar 14 2012, 06:06 PM
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That thread is on /v/ so that should give you a clue. >_>
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Mar 14 2012, 06:07 PM
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please be free :3
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Mar 14 2012, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 14 2012, 06:07 PM) please be free :3 knowing EA, it's hard to believe.but we can hope for that, right? |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:11 PM
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I think you all got indoctrinated by EA
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Mar 14 2012, 06:13 PM
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hmm...how does the leaked ending plays out anyway?
can someone story me tl;dr version. |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:15 PM
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EA confirm gonna charge for it lah. Knowing EA. Trying hard to be activision.
But. . knowing there's gonna be 'the truth' ending somehow got me relieved eventho it might be false and made up by some mofo. Damn, I really shaken with the game's ending. |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Mar 14 2012, 06:15 PM) EA confirm gonna charge for it lah. Knowing EA. Trying hard to be activision. Sometimes I think people are just overanalyzing the endings. A crappy ending is still a crappy ending. But. . knowing there's gonna be 'the truth' ending somehow got me relieved eventho it might be false and made up by some mofo. Damn, I really shaken with the game's ending. |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:23 PM
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I'm at thessia now,how long should it be until end game?
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Mar 14 2012, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(CaidD @ Mar 14 2012, 06:23 PM) I'm at thessia now,how long should it be until end game? You're fairly close now. Somewhere around 80% |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:27 PM
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ppl has been saying that bringing javik into thessia triggers many unique dialogue.
gonna try that on my second playthrough in the next few days/weeks. need to cool down on the ending first. |
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Mar 14 2012, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 14 2012, 06:24 PM) You're fairly close now. Somewhere around 80% Thanks!All right,time to see whats all this ruckus about the ending. |
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Mar 14 2012, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 14 2012, 06:27 PM) ppl has been saying that bringing javik into thessia triggers many unique dialogue. What I heard as well. I think he reveals quite a bit of background information on Thessia.gonna try that on my second playthrough in the next few days/weeks. need to cool down on the ending first. EDIT: I think you guys would like this. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by Grif: Mar 14 2012, 08:18 PM |
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Mar 14 2012, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 14 2012, 08:16 PM) What I heard as well. I think he reveals quite a bit of background information on Thessia. Eating icecream in the shower, ahaha.... nice touchEDIT: I think you guys would like this. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Mar 14 2012, 08:27 PM
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can i have the Garrus pillow?
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Mar 14 2012, 08:30 PM
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can we talk about something else other than how bad the ending now?
i thought the scene that lead to the ending was brilliant. starting from the moment when Harbinger sudden descent, n everyone desperately rush to the beam. i was like holysh!t!!  .then the music as u walk to the "space magic color" was totally complement how i feel at that scene, mindfucuk. definitely not something i was expecting. oh yeah, now reading all the comments regarding the ending. i'm starting to feel depressed. i hope there's an epilogue dlc or something. i dun care if it cost money at this point, no matter how wrong i feel if they do this. |
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Mar 14 2012, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 14 2012, 08:30 PM) can we talk about something else other than how bad the ending now? I watched the space battle on Earth on youtube. Dayum, it was goddamn awesome. That was actually what I was waiting for since the ME1 Citadel Battle and ME2 Normandy Run to the Collector's Base.i thought the scene that lead to the ending was brilliant. starting from the moment when Harbinger sudden descent, n everyone desperately rush to the beam. i was like holysh!t!! .then the music as u walk to the "space magic color" was totally complement how i feel at that scene, mindfucuk. definitely not something i was expecting. oh yeah, now reading all the comments regarding the ending. i'm starting to feel depressed. i hope there's an epilogue dlc or something. i dun care if it cost money at this point, no matter how wrong i feel if they do this. Hm. Interesting topic I found. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995452-mass-effect-3/62230265 If this was the ending, I'd go out and buy the damn game without a second thought. Plus it fits the ending that Bioware always does. (Massive sacrifice or uncertainty for the future.) This post has been edited by Grif: Mar 14 2012, 08:50 PM |
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Mar 14 2012, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 14 2012, 09:30 PM) can we talk about something else other than how bad the ending now? So yeah, Harbinger.i thought the scene that lead to the ending was brilliant. starting from the moment when Harbinger sudden descent, n everyone desperately rush to the beam. i was like holysh!t!! .then the music as u walk to the "space magic color" was totally complement how i feel at that scene, mindfucuk. definitely not something i was expecting. oh yeah, now reading all the comments regarding the ending. i'm starting to feel depressed. i hope there's an epilogue dlc or something. i dun care if it cost money at this point, no matter how wrong i feel if they do this. We have him taunting our asses throughout Mass Effect 2, and all he did during ME3 was shoot at us with lasers, for the final 2 minutes of gameplay, WITHOUT A SINGLE F*CKING LINE OF DIALOGUE UTTERED. F*cking Blunder of the Year game. Thanks for ruining Mass Effect Bioware! Up yours. |
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Mar 14 2012, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Mar 14 2012, 09:11 PM) So yeah, Harbinger. i heard there'll be a dlc for that...We have him taunting our asses throughout Mass Effect 2, and all he did during ME3 was shoot at us with lasers, for the final 2 minutes of gameplay, WITHOUT A SINGLE F*CKING LINE OF DIALOGUE UTTERED. F*cking Blunder of the Year game. Thanks for ruining Mass Effect Bioware! Up yours. yes i'm serious... man...i really need that epilogue dlc... i can accept this ending, but i must know how the society accept/deal with those mass relays gone!!!!!  (getting pissed off here) |
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Mar 14 2012, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 14 2012, 06:13 PM) hmm...how does the leaked ending plays out anyway? Judging from the script, about the same. Notably, Anderson's talk with Shepard is cut short.can someone story me tl;dr version. |
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Mar 14 2012, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 14 2012, 10:06 PM) Judging from the script, about the same. Notably, Anderson's talk with Shepard is cut short. Nooo!  He's just resting! Anderson is too bad ass to die! |
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Mar 15 2012, 12:07 AM
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 actually i became like this after several days searching for reason behind the ME3 ending... |
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Mar 15 2012, 05:30 AM
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Just finished a few minutes ago. From a person that never finished other Bioware series other than ME, I think this ending not that bad.
The cycle that has happens millions of years and destroyed thousands of advanced civilizations at last ended by Shepherd is a great achievement itself and I personally felt quite satisfied. Although we do not know what happened to other character that we invested a lot is a bit unsatisfying and feel somewhat incomplete. Probably some "milky" dlc will answer this. But overall this series is a great adventure for me and if this is the ending Bioware want to present then so be it. |
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Mar 16 2012, 12:50 AM
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wow...the argument for the indoctrination theory is pretty compelling...
1. http://w11.zetaboards.com/Theorycraftng_HUB/topic/7688087/1/ 2. http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac305/Lifejumper/heh.jpg 3. http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1508/prof21.jpg 4. http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effec...-9946363-1.html 5. http://i.imgur.com/WNTHS.jpg 6. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p...&postcount=7936 7. Talks about ghostly hallucinations in ME3 codex : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTgXu0UjCg |
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Mar 16 2012, 01:54 AM
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Saren wanted join with the reapers, "A synthesis of steel and flesh, with the strengths of both, and the weakness of neither."
The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers. He says so multiple times throughout the game. And so, that leads to something as we all know what happened to them. |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:04 AM
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Wow, the ending is absolutely rubbish. What the hell is Bioware smoking while they made this ending? Its so bad with the current ending because your choices didnt matter at all. And then, being a renegade and paragon isnt any different at the end of the day.
I'll just take it as the ending if the Mass Effect trilogy ends with shepard dies while running up to the beams to citadel. Anything after that is just crap. Especially the space kid part. The whole game starts to go down hill after Rannoch. The space kid part is still alright, but after that with joker running away and the island thing, thats just weird. Even MW3's ending is more satisfying than this. At least there is a conclusion, unlike this messy pile of crap. This video talks about indoctrination. That made the ending more bearable, but that means, more DLCs. Well played, EA. Wont be buying your games anymore. I dont mind shepard dies or some emo ending, but if you shove a half assed ending into the game, that isnt acceptable. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 16 2012, 03:36 AM |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:43 AM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Triple A Quality game you guys have eh |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:45 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 16 2012, 03:04 AM) Wow, the ending is absolutely rubbish. What the hell is Bioware smoking while they made this ending? Its so bad with the current ending because your choices didnt matter at all. And then, being a renegade and paragon isnt any different at the end of the day. Space Jesus never happened. Shepard was hallucinating.I'll just take it as the ending if the Mass Effect trilogy ends with shepard dies while running up to the beams to citadel. Anything after that is just crap. Especially the space kid part. The whole game starts to go down hill after Rannoch. The space kid part is still alright, but after that with joker running away and the island thing, thats just weird. Even MW3's ending is more satisfying than this. At least there is a conclusion, unlike this messy pile of crap. This video talks about indoctrination. That made the ending more bearable, but that means, more DLCs. Well played, EA. Wont be buying your games anymore. I dont mind shepard dies or some emo ending, but if you shove a half assed ending into the game, that isnt acceptable. |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:49 AM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 16 2012, 03:45 AM) Space Jesus never happened. Shepard was hallucinating. As i have said in my previous post, he is hallucinating due to indoctrination. Then, it just ends like that. |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:50 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 16 2012, 03:49 AM) As i have said in my previous post, he is hallucinating due to indoctrination. Then, it just ends like that. Naw, he got up like a MAN like proceeded to kick Harbringer in the balls.Nobody indoctrinates Shepard and gets away with it! |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:57 AM
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Unless EA says otherwise that Shepard was being indoctrinated, it never happened.
Stop grasping at straws, the ending sucked. |
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Mar 16 2012, 03:57 AM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 16 2012, 03:50 AM) Naw, he got up like a MAN like proceeded to kick Harbringer in the balls. You can put it that way too. Nobody indoctrinates Shepard and gets away with it! Anyway, does anyone still have the old leaked script of ME3? Im digging up with lots of cancelled stuff. What was Bioware doing? |
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Mar 16 2012, 09:43 PM
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f***, didnt realize let the geth to be AI just make quarian race died and also tali.......FUUuuuuu
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Mar 16 2012, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Mar 16 2012, 03:57 AM) Unless EA says otherwise that Shepard was being indoctrinated, it never happened. Stop grasping at straws, the ending sucked. We're in denial about the horrible ending lulz |
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Mar 16 2012, 10:04 PM
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maybe in the next ME , new hero will be fighting the new enemy, that is indoctrinated shepard hahaha
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Mar 16 2012, 11:58 PM
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I have not played Mass Effect 3 yet. I'm investing some money to buy it on Origin, but I'm still considering because I'm actually paying for the story only. I'm not really interested in the coop mode.
And to be honest, my knowledge about Mass Effect trilogy is like 5% only out of 100%. I don't understand the whole story from ME1. (Except if I'm really desperate to buy, I'll read the plot at Wikipedia) I heard about the controversial ending. And I went to search for the ending in Youtube. I don't care about spoiler. What I understand from the ending gameplay is that Shepard died when running into the beam of light (Is it something like Armageddon the Movie??) to save the Earth. If I dont play ME1 and ME2, can direct play ME3 or not? Added on March 16, 2012, 11:58 pmowh and I cried watching the ending. Serious. Got tears in my eyes. I guess it is because of the soundtrack used. This post has been edited by wilsonphua: Mar 16 2012, 11:58 PM |
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Mar 17 2012, 12:17 AM
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^you can, but you'll miss all the things that the game all the more dramatic.
you said the ending make u sad, there's plenty of that in the middle of ME3. i really suggest ppl who want to get into ME to start with the first one. the story in ME1 is vastly superior, especially the final arc set pieces. This post has been edited by ray148: Mar 17 2012, 12:17 AM |
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Mar 17 2012, 12:26 AM
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I mean, ME1 and ME2 is available on Steam even. There's no reason not to get both. They excel in different ways, ME1 for story and RPG-like elements (and the Mako. It's bloody fun.) while ME2 shines for its more streamlined gameplay and character development.
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Mar 17 2012, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(wilsonphua @ Mar 16 2012, 11:58 PM) I have not played Mass Effect 3 yet. I'm investing some money to buy it on Origin, but I'm still considering because I'm actually paying for the story only. I'm not really interested in the coop mode. Not worth if you straight into jump and get ME3. I bought ME1 , ME2 and ME3 and so the folks here. I recommend you to pick up ME1 first. Play through , ME1 is heavily-RPG based which I truly enjoy. Bringing companion to the citadel is just amazing and I love how they give comments as you walk through certain places of citadel. The problem is not reading the plot , ME3 brings you up to speed on what is going on. What counts most is the decisions that you make in the first two games and how it has an impact on third. So play ME1 first , and then get ME2 and finally once you've enough $$ , get ME3. Its not a hurry to get ME3. ME1 and ME2 will provide over 40-60hours of game play time (assuming if you do all side quests , do missions around and just explore amazing worlds) And to be honest, my knowledge about Mass Effect trilogy is like 5% only out of 100%. I don't understand the whole story from ME1. (Except if I'm really desperate to buy, I'll read the plot at Wikipedia) I heard about the controversial ending. And I went to search for the ending in Youtube. I don't care about spoiler. What I understand from the ending gameplay is that Shepard died when running into the beam of light (Is it something like Armageddon the Movie??) to save the Earth. If I dont play ME1 and ME2, can direct play ME3 or not? Added on March 16, 2012, 11:58 pmowh and I cried watching the ending. Serious. Got tears in my eyes. I guess it is because of the soundtrack used. I just finished ME3. The ending is not that bad (its not worst/sucky) ending. I wouldn't mind if once the laser from the reaper shot me , the game ended and put me back in dream world. |
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Mar 17 2012, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 17 2012, 12:41 AM) I just finished ME3. The ending is not that bad (its not worst/sucky) ending. i'm also one of those who don't mind it either, but can i understand why fans would be upset.-the ending pretty much comes out of nowhere. kinda like Evangelion ending, but at least gainax is learning (evidence with the remake & TTGL). -it pretty much make everything you did in the game moot. -doomed the entire civilization in the galaxy. -no closure on the characters whatsoever -- n this one made me upset. |
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QUOTE(wilsonphua @ Mar 16 2012, 11:58 PM) I have not played Mass Effect 3 yet. I'm investing some money to buy it on Origin, but I'm still considering because I'm actually paying for the story only. I'm not really interested in the coop mode. no need to rush for ME3, its still not complete. Expect more than dozen DLC out by the end of this year and grab the full version include DLC,expansion,specials with 1 price next year. Right now, grab ME and ME2, both are complete and cheap!And to be honest, my knowledge about Mass Effect trilogy is like 5% only out of 100%. I don't understand the whole story from ME1. (Except if I'm really desperate to buy, I'll read the plot at Wikipedia) I heard about the controversial ending. And I went to search for the ending in Youtube. I don't care about spoiler. What I understand from the ending gameplay is that Shepard died when running into the beam of light (Is it something like Armageddon the Movie??) to save the Earth. If I dont play ME1 and ME2, can direct play ME3 or not? Added on March 16, 2012, 11:58 pmowh and I cried watching the ending. Serious. Got tears in my eyes. I guess it is because of the soundtrack used. well, that what i did with DA:O, Fallout 3. |
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Mar 17 2012, 10:48 AM
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http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-end...fans-are-right/ as posted in the other thread. Its a pretty damn good read
I've to agree with the author on that. What he said is so true. Its just the way how they end. No idea how Illusive Man ended up there Anyhow I'm sorta pissed they didn't give an option to walkaway. I mean reapers would be in control and you are not going to change anything - cause it wouldn't still make any difference. Another part is well you can't argue to the kid on the options/actions you have taken (for instance uniting quarians and geth). I hope they release the DLC as free for fans who deserve a better ending. I am not asking for "New Hope" kinda of ending whereby awards ceremony held in Citadel and Shepard is revered as a hero |
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Mar 17 2012, 10:11 PM
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Lol, apparently the shitstorm is not localized in bioware forums.
Seriously, I invested quite a lot into the ME universe, got the novels, etc. Then they pull this crappy ending. As first I was sad and angry, then I laughed at the humour presented in bioware forums. But it hit me so bad, I didn't feel like replaying it. I uninstalled it even. lol I would say thank you bioware for a great trip and a shitty ending, but you already have have my money. That should be enough. Now I shall write a fanfic of Mass Effect : Betrayal. |
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Mar 17 2012, 10:58 PM
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It is better if a patch is applied to the ending, extend the ending scene to solve all players problem.
The ending does not tell us whether Shephard is ACTUALLY died and what happened to his other friends and other species. There are still too many questions floating around my mind. Come on, this isn't Bioware. They can make this better. Besides I'm certain that the indoctrination theory is false. |
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Mar 17 2012, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(ZRong223 @ Mar 17 2012, 10:58 PM) Besides I'm certain that the indoctrination theory is false. false or not, the evidence & logic behind that theory is sound.i think it was intentionally planted by bioware. but i doubt they would go that route though. either way, i just want an extended ending. that's all. |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:58 AM
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Mar 18 2012, 09:32 AM
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Mar 18 2012, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(CaidD @ Mar 18 2012, 08:58 AM) No doubt. Dont think i want to buy another EA game. |
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Mar 18 2012, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 18 2012, 09:32 AM) Someone must be high. Or in denial over at Bioware/EA.That said, I have heard rumours that ME3 had a very high trade-in rate over in the US and European countries. |
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Mar 18 2012, 01:55 PM
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Bioware can keeps defending but what fans actually want are CHOICES THAT MATTER , EXPLAINATION and CLOSURE , that's all.
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Mar 18 2012, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 18 2012, 01:01 PM) Someone must be high. Or in denial over at Bioware/EA. Thats true.That said, I have heard rumours that ME3 had a very high trade-in rate over in the US and European countries. If you have a copy of PS3/360 ME3 and trade it in EB Games, you are getting $64 back now. It was even higher, at $84 during the first half week after release. Then, after 24th of March, the trade in drops to $54, which is still good price. However, a copy of ME3 in Australia is about $100. |
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Mar 18 2012, 04:05 PM
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And now something to lighten things up.
May I present... the final boss of Mass Effect 3. Marauder Shields. http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9976862/1 » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by Grif: Mar 18 2012, 04:05 PM |
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Mar 18 2012, 04:16 PM
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^Tribute to the last boss
 Added on March 18, 2012, 4:17 pmWhen that dude popped out from the back, i go FUUUU This post has been edited by monza84: Mar 18 2012, 04:17 PM |
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Mar 18 2012, 04:34 PM
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^ Damn, I loled hard. Hahaha
A worthy foe indeed. Mutherfacka shot me! I brought Liara with me charging towards the light beam. Many people here said harbinger kills whoever follows Shepard into the fray but she still showed up in the tropical world together with Joker. My ideal ending, The Illusive Man kills Shepard and the Reaper wipe out organic lifeforms. All companions mati katak. Joker and Normandy blown to bits. No little kid who claims to be the catalyst or grandpa and kid staring at stars. Just ice cold eradication. Crucible becomes nice trophy for Reaper. This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 18 2012, 04:36 PM |
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Mar 18 2012, 04:49 PM
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final boss
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Mar 18 2012, 05:04 PM
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1st run i choose Synthesis, 2nd one i dunno liao
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Mar 18 2012, 07:13 PM
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3 endings = same outcome with different colors
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Mar 18 2012, 08:21 PM
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^ya, that one really spoiled
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Mar 18 2012, 08:42 PM
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I have read so much about the ending and now I concluded a thing for myself.
As you can see in the game, the Destroy route is red (Renegade) and left is Control (Paragon). Let's say that the indoctrination theory is true. If you go for Control, I don't think it's a Paragon choice. You will get indoctrinated. If you go for Synthesis, you will die and you will not run away from indoctrination also. If you go for Destroy, all synthetics are destroyed, but you still have a chance to survive (he/she is still BREATHING!!!!) So, Destroy is the best choice at here. Think carefully... I have no idea of what will happen if I choose Control. But Shephard DIE!!! (And if the indoctrination theory is ture, this choice will not change anything) I'm not going to let all organics to involve themselves to synthesis. ORGANICS ARE THE MASTER OF NATURE!! It's hard to choose Destroy, because it's sad that Geth and EDI will gone... In my storyline, I have chosen Synthesis (which I felt that it's a wrong choice), as it seems that Synthesis will provide the best ending for this story. I will go for Destroy by restarting the previous mission. This post has been edited by ZRong223: Mar 18 2012, 08:52 PM |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 18 2012, 07:13 PM) 3 endings = same outcome with different colors MARAUDER SHIELDS TRIED TO WARN YA!Y U NO LISTEN? |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(ZRong223 @ Mar 18 2012, 09:42 PM) I have read so much about the ending and now I concluded a thing for myself. As you can see in the game, the Destroy route is red (Renegade) and left is Control (Paragon). Let's say that the indoctrination theory is true. If you go for Control, I don't think it's a Paragon choice. You will get indoctrinated. If you go for Synthesis, you will die and you will not run away from indoctrination also. If you go for Destroy, all synthetics are destroyed, but you still have a chance to survive (he/she is still BREATHING!!!!) So, Destroy is the best choice at here. Think carefully... I have no idea of what will happen if I choose Control. But Shephard DIE!!! (And if the indoctrination theory is ture, this choice will not change anything) I'm not going to let all organics to involve themselves to synthesis. ORGANICS ARE THE MASTER OF NATURE!! It's hard to choose Destroy, because it's sad that Geth and EDI will gone... In my storyline, I have chosen Synthesis (which I felt that it's a wrong choice), as it seems that Synthesis will provide the best ending for this story. I will go for Destroy by restarting the previous mission. >Destroy ending >Destroy all technological advances as well as Mass Relays >Best choice If you think sending everyone into the Dark Ages is a good choice, then I have no words. |
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Mar 18 2012, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Mar 18 2012, 08:54 PM) >Destroy ending >Destroy all technological advances as well as Mass Relays >Best choice If you think sending everyone into the Dark Ages is a good choice, then I have no words. Well I surrender. I still don't know which one is the best choice. |
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Mar 18 2012, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 18 2012, 08:45 PM) MARAUDER SHIELDS TRIED TO WARN YA! Oh crap, I FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE FINAL BOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Y U NO LISTEN? due respect , RIP Marauder Shield . The Enemy of the Past ~ |
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Mar 18 2012, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(ZRong223 @ Mar 18 2012, 09:03 PM) Heh... Sorry that I'm not thinking about destroy of technological advances. There is no best choice. They are all just that, choices. And depending on your moral compass, the best choice will be different.Well I surrender. I still don't know which one is the best choice. |
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Mar 18 2012, 09:41 PM
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I think they cut the contents bcoz according to the system require , hdd capacity needed would be 15GB or more . but i check the file size around 11GB...i wonder where the cutted content go....i know its look weird to compare the actual size with recommended hdd capacity but...just my opinion...
if really they cut the contents that have real ending on it... This post has been edited by megnamon: Mar 18 2012, 09:43 PM |
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Mar 18 2012, 10:08 PM
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First play through , I was like WoW. It totally made sense because nobody knew the interior of the citadel. Remember the creatures in the citadel , I mean if you magically 'tweak' them (like you did in ME1) , they just know it and 'repair' themselves . Nobody knows where they come from but they have a constant number.
Next up was how in the world Illusive Dude entered. No idea , but that was kinda odd and unusual . Oh well , the most awesome part that I thought was the Catalyst and the joke was you were told. There was no way to 'argue' with the dude on the deeds you have done or did he mention anything about it (such as uniting the quarians and the geth) Oh okay fair enough. A choice had to be made , so I picked Destroy method which means goodbye to all pure synthetic. Reason I picked cause I thought I could have an happy ending with Ash. Nope , that did not work. So replayed again tried the other two and yet the same ol' ending . Fair enough , but one part I did not get was the grandpa telling tales to his grandson. The joke was after all that , you are presented with a dialog box saying 'OH LULZ , PLS BUY MOAR DLC'. This really put me off. Seriously ? After that bad ending which I was truly disappointed , EA have the guts to tell me that get more content with DLC. Ugh I hope EA puts up the DLC for free even if they decided to fix the ending which I highly doubt |
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Mar 18 2012, 10:12 PM
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take whatever ending u want , still same and that's the problem in the 1st place
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Mar 19 2012, 12:42 AM
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conclusion: money come first, get dlc for more...
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Mar 19 2012, 05:58 AM
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You people need to chill
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Oh wai... |
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Mar 19 2012, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 19 2012, 05:58 AM) You people need to chill No doubt. Especially the island shit. Doesnt make any sense at all. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Oh wai... |
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Mar 19 2012, 10:00 AM
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So true so true |
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Mar 19 2012, 10:44 AM
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Pretty good view
http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-3/61-...ence/35-539298/? I did read this and I kinda support the theory now. You gotta give credits to this guy for finding the evidence |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:01 AM
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IMO after reading some forums.... i think there r 2 camps of ppl who r raging about the ending..
the 1st camp is raging about the abrupt ending wif no big boss fight.. (ME1 had saren, ME2 had the human reaper)... quite a WTF for me coz i guess i am used to fighting a unique boss at the end of every game... the 2nd camp is raging about how the story ended... mindfucuk then... but now interesting to read alot of fan theories online oh yes.. i am quite peeved with the last msg from bioware asking us to buy more DLCs.. but i know i am still gonna get them all.. i am a sucker |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 19 2012, 10:44 AM) Pretty good view Actually, it all sounds pretty magnificent and at the same time a disgusting ploy to get people to buy DLC.http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-3/61-...ence/35-539298/? I did read this and I kinda support the theory now. You gotta give credits to this guy for finding the evidence |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:20 AM) Actually, it all sounds pretty magnificent and at the same time a disgusting ploy to get people to buy DLC. If they're charging for DLCs, I'm just going to wait them out till they release a GOTY version. Shitty corporate practices like these should not be rewarded. |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(seather @ Mar 19 2012, 11:01 AM) the 1st camp is raging about the abrupt ending wif no big boss fight.. (ME1 had saren, ME2 had the human reaper)... quite a WTF for me coz i guess i am used to fighting a unique boss at the end of every game... Marauder Shields would want a word with you |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:54 AM
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OK the endings sucked. I'm not making apologies for bioware because they did drop the ball towards the end of the game.
I'm on my 2nd playthrough, after finishing the 1st playthrough on the PC with a ME1&2 imported save, and the moral choices that you make are even bleaker with "canon" shepard conditions. You never helped subject zero come to terms with the crap that she went through so no Jack at Grissom academy, so some students will die. Wrex is dead, so you pretty much screw yourself and everyone else by curing the Genophage because Wreav is in charge. No matter what you do, Eve will die. Mordin lives and you get the Salarian fleet if you lie about curing the Genophage. Thane - dead, so he doesn't come to rescue the Salarian councilor from kailan. So if you cured the Genophage, you're stuck without a Salarian fleet. You also miss out on his sadding and emotional death scene. No Samara, so there's no real context in that ardat-yakshi mission apart from introducing banshees as enemies. Canon Shepard never met legion or saved tali from being exiled. Essentially, you're forced to make a genocidal decision either way and there's no way you can broker peace between geth and quarrian. I suppose causing the extinction of one species is no biggie since canon shepard has already killed off the last Rachni queen anyway. bullet point: It's really hard to play paragon canon Shepard. I suppose all this can be seen as rewarding players who played and enjoyed the prequels. Seeing the contrast between import and no import really helped me to see how my paragon shepard's decisions helped shaped the ME universe and and appreciate how they closed off the various storylines. The point I'm making in this post is that apart from the tricolour ending, ME3 was pretty much one long endgame right from the start. My Femshep has never been shaped by the familiar RPG trope thats about levelling up, collecting party members and gear to save world etc. It's always been about how her character has been shaped by all those decisions involving her friends, races and worlds that she's encountered. To say what you do at the end doesn't matter is bullshit because i cured the genophage and helped the Krogan into a new renaissance, helped the Geth evolve to true sentient beings, brought peace to the geth and quarrians and basically united ALL the races. That is a pretty legendary feat. Considering you spend the last talky area saying goodbye to practically everyone you've ever worked with in the ME3, particularly in that ridiculous quantum telephone room where everyone you call just so happens to be home. Shepard had to die. 3 button ending? Fine. So i picked the control ending which meant that all the decisions I made could take effect, the humans, turians, asaris - everyone basically could rebuild in peace as I'd saved the galaxy from the reapers, I'd broken the 50k cycle. AND THEN THEY DO THE BLUE EXPLOSION SHIT.. So basically I enjoyed 98% of the game, and that final 2% troll ending really pissed me off. |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 11:54 AM) OK the endings sucked. I'm not making apologies for bioware because they did drop the ball towards the end of the game. Agreed. But the problem is, with the relays gone, how does galactic life move on? Seeing how we've depended on the relays. As Vigil said in ME1, we developed along the paths they desired. Our governments were centred at the Citadel. Easy prey for the Reapers. I'm on my 2nd playthrough, after finishing the 1st playthrough on the PC with a ME1&2 imported save, and the moral choices that you make are even bleaker with "canon" shepard conditions. You never helped subject zero come to terms with the crap that she went through so no Jack at Grissom academy, so some students will die. Wrex is dead, so you pretty much screw yourself and everyone else by curing the Genophage because Wreav is in charge. No matter what you do, Eve will die. Mordin lives and you get the Salarian fleet if you lie about curing the Genophage. Thane - dead, so he doesn't come to rescue the Salarian councilor from kailan. So if you cured the Genophage, you're stuck without a Salarian fleet. You also miss out on his sadding and emotional death scene. No Samara, so there's no real context in that ardat-yakshi mission apart from introducing banshees as enemies. Canon Shepard never met legion or saved tali from being exiled. Essentially, you're forced to make a genocidal decision either way and there's no way you can broker peace between geth and quarrian. I suppose causing the extinction of one species is no biggie since canon shepard has already killed off the last Rachni queen anyway. bullet point: It's really hard to play paragon canon Shepard. I suppose all this can be seen as rewarding players who played and enjoyed the prequels. Seeing the contrast between import and no import really helped me to see how my paragon shepard's decisions helped shaped the ME universe and and appreciate how they closed off the various storylines. The point I'm making in this post is that apart from the tricolour ending, ME3 was pretty much one long endgame right from the start. My Femshep has never been shaped by the familiar RPG trope thats about levelling up, collecting party members and gear to save world etc. It's always been about how her character has been shaped by all those decisions involving her friends, races and worlds that she's encountered. To say what you do at the end doesn't matter is bullshit because i cured the genophage and helped the Krogan into a new renaissance, helped the Geth evolve to true sentient beings, brought peace to the geth and quarrians and basically united ALL the races. That is a pretty legendary feat. Considering you spend the last talky area saying goodbye to practically everyone you've ever worked with in the ME3, particularly in that ridiculous quantum telephone room where everyone you call just so happens to be home. Shepard had to die. 3 button ending? Fine. So i picked the control ending which meant that all the decisions I made could take effect, the humans, turians, asaris - everyone basically could rebuild in peace as I'd saved the galaxy from the reapers, I'd broken the 50k cycle. AND THEN THEY DO THE BLUE EXPLOSION SHIT.. So basically I enjoyed 98% of the game, and that final 2% troll ending really pissed me off. ME3's ending just shook up my understanding of the whole Reaper thing. Suddenly the Citadel is the Catalyst. Wooookay. I enjoyed ME3's journey. Enjoying it again finding snippets of dialogue I missed the first time. I am interested in starting from ME1 again and playing a Renegade, saving Kaidan vs Ashley, romancing someone else, saving the Rachni Queen, Collector Base and Heretics, etc. I actually have to restart from ME1 again to change things in ME3. This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 19 2012, 12:19 PM |
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My reaction when I did my first playthrough of Mass Effect 3
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 19 2012, 12:17 PM) Agreed. But the problem is, with the relays gone, how does galactic life move on? Seeing how we've depended on the relays. As Vigil said in ME1, we developed along the paths they desired. Our governments were centred at the Citadel. Easy prey for the Reapers. Yeah, according to choice you were given, the relays weren't meant to be destroyed in the control or synthesis endings. So i take it they weren't destroyed irrespective of what the lazy pre rendered 3 colour cutscene showed. Besides, even if the relays are broken you can still communicate through the bad science fiction of quantum entanglement and presumably fix them. But I'm trying hard here not to fall into the denial trap and start creating desperate fan fiction to try to rationalise what wasn't very good science fiction in the first place.ME3's ending just shook up my understanding of the whole Reaper thing. Suddenly the Citadel is the Catalyst. Wooookay. I enjoyed ME3's journey. Enjoying it again finding snippets of dialogue I missed the first time. I am interested in starting from ME1 again and playing a Renegade, saving Kaidan vs Ashley, romancing someone else, saving the Rachni Queen, Collector Base and Heretics, etc. I actually have to restart from ME1 again to change things in ME3. In my game I died in the believe that everything I did up to that moment was in line with my paragon character. After that point, there's no more role-play, you're dead. I think I would just mod the save game if i were you. I really didn't enjoy all that planet scanning and exploration "content" crap they had in the 1st 2 games. UGH. Re saving Rachni Queen, there's no other benefit other than Rachni being really useful in the construction of the crucible. |
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Mar 19 2012, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 12:40 PM) Yeah, according to choice you were given, the relays weren't meant to be destroyed in the control or synthesis endings. So i take it they weren't destroyed irrespective of what the lazy pre rendered 3 colour cutscene showed. Besides, even if the relays are broken you can still communicate through the bad science fiction of quantum entanglement and presumably fix them. But I'm trying hard here not to fall into the denial trap and start creating desperate fan fiction to try to rationalise what wasn't very good science fiction in the first place. But but but..In my game I died in the believe that everything I did up to that moment was in line with my paragon character. After that point, there's no more role-play, you're dead. I think I would just mod the save game if i were you. I really didn't enjoy all that planet scanning and exploration "content" crap they had in the 1st 2 games. UGH. Re saving Rachni Queen, there's no other benefit other than Rachni being really useful in the construction of the crucible. The Mako. |
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Mar 19 2012, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 12:40 PM) Yeah, according to choice you were given, the relays weren't meant to be destroyed in the control or synthesis endings. So i take it they weren't destroyed irrespective of what the lazy pre rendered 3 colour cutscene showed. Besides, even if the relays are broken you can still communicate through the bad science fiction of quantum entanglement and presumably fix them. But I'm trying hard here not to fall into the denial trap and start creating desperate fan fiction to try to rationalise what wasn't very good science fiction in the first place. Yeah, I miss the engine rendered cutscenes from ME1. I can't imagine how good the cutscenes would have looked rendered in game versus using some grainy Star Wars looking footage. They would have been clearer as well.In my game I died in the believe that everything I did up to that moment was in line with my paragon character. After that point, there's no more role-play, you're dead. I think I would just mod the save game if i were you. I really didn't enjoy all that planet scanning and exploration "content" crap they had in the 1st 2 games. UGH. Re saving Rachni Queen, there's no other benefit other than Rachni being really useful in the construction of the crucible. I believe the quantum entanglement technology is still in its infancy at that point in ME3. In ME2, the Normandy was one of the the only ships equipped. Not to say the colonies/cities are like ships but its something to think about. The indoctrination theory kinda gives my imagination room to maneuver I have heart they will do something about the endings. The neverending shitstorm (Udina's words in ME2 ring true. 'Do the words political SHITSTORM mean anything to you Commander?') is starting to get featured on CNN and other major news hubs.Heh true too... I couldn't stand Mako exploring in ME1, couldn't stand endless scanning in ME2 (managed to avoid it for the most part) and fetch quests in ME3 (although it can be argued ME2 is one very good and very big fetch quest). Sigh Rachni Queen is one of those 'OH SHIT' decisions. Save her and let her go and she kills Aralakh Company. Kill her and her successor goes batshit crazy if you leave her there. Release her and she turns on you and Aralakh. Really no 'good' ending to that tale. |
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Mar 19 2012, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 19 2012, 01:45 PM) I believe the quantum entanglement technology is still in its infancy at that point in ME3. In ME2, the Normandy was one of the the only ships equipped. Not to say the colonies/cities are like ships but its something to think about. Actually, I did get the good ending for Rachni queen. I didn't kill her in the first one because she promised she would leave forever. She gets captured by the reapers which means I have to save her sorry ass. The good ending is that while aralakh company does die while holding off the modified rachni, Grunt who leads aralakh company doesnt. You meet him again at the end of the game. Also, I get aralakh company as a war asset even if that team died. The Rachni Queen becomes a war asset in the completion of the crucible, to get vengeance on the reapers. Everyone wins... Sigh Rachni Queen is one of those 'OH SHIT' decisions. Save her and let her go and she kills Aralakh Company. Kill her and her successor goes batshit crazy if you leave her there. Release her and she turns on you and Aralakh. Really no 'good' ending to that tale. Yeah QE phones are rare in ME2 but apparently everyone has one now. It's hilarious at the end when you go into that room with the communicator and you're able to pretty much speak with everyone you've ever met. |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 02:01 PM) Actually, I did get the good ending for Rachni queen. I didn't kill her in the first one because she promised she would leave forever. She gets captured by the reapers which means I have to save her sorry ass. The good ending is that while aralakh company does die while holding off the modified rachni, Grunt who leads aralakh company doesnt. You meet him again at the end of the game. Also, I get aralakh company as a war asset even if that team died. The Rachni Queen becomes a war asset in the completion of the crucible, to get vengeance on the reapers. Everyone wins. this quest made me nearly shed my manly tears , especially when grunt managed to get back alive.i thought he was dead, with the sad background song. |
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Mar 19 2012, 02:26 PM
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Bioware pre-announcing $9.99 DLC with alternate ending to Mass Effect 3?
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Mar 19 2012, 02:28 PM
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Mar 19 2012, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 19 2012, 02:26 PM) Bioware pre-announcing $9.99 DLC with alternate ending to Mass Effect 3? Guys. If this is true, I suggest you don't even bother buying this. Why reward Bioware for shipping a game without an ending?http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/294158,bi...re-closure.aspx |
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Mar 19 2012, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 02:01 PM) Actually, I did get the good ending for Rachni queen. I didn't kill her in the first one because she promised she would leave forever. She gets captured by the reapers which means I have to save her sorry ass. The good ending is that while aralakh company does die while holding off the modified rachni, Grunt who leads aralakh company doesnt. You meet him again at the end of the game. Also, I get aralakh company as a war asset even if that team died. The Rachni Queen becomes a war asset in the completion of the crucible, to get vengeance on the reapers. Everyone wins. What? Aralakh company as an asset after they're decimated? Damn Grunt nearly gave me a heart attack. I was so sure he was a goner! Then he comes up all bloodied and a 'big goddamn hero' to use Zaeed's words.Yeah QE phones are rare in ME2 but apparently everyone has one now. It's hilarious at the end when you go into that room with the communicator and you're able to pretty much speak with everyone you've ever met. Yes the ending with the communicator was too convenient. I suppose its easier than trying to explain how they all ended up on Earth just to talk to Shepard. Added on March 19, 2012, 5:48 pm QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 19 2012, 02:26 PM) Bioware pre-announcing $9.99 DLC with alternate ending to Mass Effect 3? Still no confirmation, just 'gathering data'. Like EDI huh? Gathering data on us.http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/294158,bi...re-closure.aspx This post has been edited by secondrate: Mar 19 2012, 05:48 PM |
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Mar 19 2012, 05:58 PM
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money money money moneyyyy
can you give free DLC ending BW ? i hope its FREE This post has been edited by megnamon: Mar 19 2012, 05:58 PM |
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 19 2012, 05:58 PM) money money money moneyyyy Bioware says: can you give free DLC ending BW ? i hope its FREE  |
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Mar 19 2012, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 19 2012, 05:47 PM) Still no confirmation, just 'gathering data'. Like EDI huh? Gathering data on us. They also need to 'finish calibrations' |
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Mar 19 2012, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 19 2012, 06:26 PM) They also need to 'finish calibrations' and perhaps to ' add some components ' |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 19 2012, 02:26 PM) Bioware pre-announcing $9.99 DLC with alternate ending to Mass Effect 3? Bioware and EA, especially, they can go screw themselves.http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/294158,bi...re-closure.aspx No way im paying another $9.99 for a "complete" ending. |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 19 2012, 08:04 PM) Bioware and EA, especially, they can go screw themselves. 9.99 for an ending. They are getting my middle finger. I am going to write to them. Ugh , bloody money suckersNo way im paying another $9.99 for a "complete" ending. Its like uh that was an unfinished product fear not , pay 10 bucks and get yourself an awesome ending. |
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Mar 19 2012, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 19 2012, 08:08 PM) 9.99 for an ending. They are getting my middle finger. I am going to write to them. Ugh , bloody money suckers My solution to this problem is easy, as new solutions are needed in this scenario: Dont buy anymore EA games. They arent getting a cent from me, unless they have done something "really" right to me to the point i'll ignore all the shit they have done. Mass Effect 3 has crossed the line way too far.Its like uh that was an unfinished product fear not , pay 10 bucks and get yourself an awesome ending. Just dont get me started with the long list of crap they have been doing. Seriously, EA, go screw yourself. |
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Mar 19 2012, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 19 2012, 08:08 PM) 9.99 for an ending. They are getting my middle finger. I am going to write to them. Ugh , bloody money suckers If you read BSN, some stupid idiots are defending EA for charging for the DLC. My ass. So what they need money to fix this mess? It's their mess and they should be fixing it with their own money.Its like uh that was an unfinished product fear not , pay 10 bucks and get yourself an awesome ending. |
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Mar 19 2012, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 19 2012, 08:27 PM) If you read BSN, some stupid idiots are defending EA for charging for the DLC. My ass. So what they need money to fix this mess? It's their mess and they should be fixing it with their own money. It's called Bull Shit Network for a reason. Some people there are just full of nonsense to the point i cant brain it. |
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If they ever charged for a alternate endings DLC.
EA really outdone themselves too much in the marketing department for ME3 this time. |
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Mar 19 2012, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(Axalter @ Mar 19 2012, 08:36 PM) If they ever charged for a alternate endings DLC. I duno. EA really outdone themselves too much in the marketing department for ME3 this time. EA seems to have a great talent at destroying franchises. Before long, Mass Effect will become a browser game like C&C. |
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Mar 19 2012, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 19 2012, 08:08 PM) 9.99 for an ending. They are getting my middle finger. I am going to write to them. Ugh , bloody money suckers Its like uh that was an unfinished product fear not , pay 10 bucks and get yourself an awesome ending.   |
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Mar 19 2012, 10:21 PM
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Bioware is really creating another ending or saving it for the DLC?
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Mar 19 2012, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(Jigoku @ Mar 19 2012, 10:21 PM) Bioware is really creating another ending or saving it for the DLC? either way, it will be DLC... |
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Mar 20 2012, 12:57 AM
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I just replayed the ending.
I now have more reason to believe the indoctrination theory is true. Notice at the description of the three choices you have: Destroy: The catalyst tells you there will NOT be peace. Definitely. Control: The catalyst tells you with that the reapers will obey you. I.e: You can bring about peace by controlling the reapers. Furthermore, it hesitated when you asked that question, pausing for a while before answering yes. Now why would it do that? Why would it hesitate? Well, the Reapers are obviously a very proud race. By lying to fulfil their goal of indoctrinating Shepard, that's kinda like a blow to their pride, don'cha think? Furthermore, you even asked whether TIM was right, and it said yes with certainty. Synthesis: The catalyst avoids your question entirely. It merely tells you the cycle will end. But it doesn't tell you whether there will be peace. Now for something with apparently no vested interest in the outcomes, it sure looks as if it would like you to choose the control or synthesis option. It's trying to subtly push you to an option more favourable to the Reapers. Then, at the end it tells you you have a difficult decision and that you have to choose, still giving you the option to choose destroy so as to not make the indoctrination so obvious. This review is also fantastic: http://calitreview.com/24673 This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 20 2012, 01:52 AM |
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Mar 20 2012, 04:43 AM
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^this is what i think about the whole theory;
i think the indoctrination route is what Bioware intended to go with in the beginning, but for whatever reason dropped the idea. that's why you still see the clue that points out about the kid since the beginning of the game. |
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 20 2012, 04:43 AM) ^this is what i think about the whole theory; EA probably forced them to cut out that part for DLC or something. I frankly wouldn't be surprised knowing EA. i think the indoctrination route is what Bioware intended to go with in the beginning, but for whatever reason dropped the idea. that's why you still see the clue that points out about the kid since the beginning of the game. OR they ran out of time and they're releasing it as free DLC later on. <- Let's hope for this. This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 20 2012, 06:36 AM |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:31 AM
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i don't really agree on changing the ending though, coz the damage is done. there are more harm than good if they do change it.
what Bioware should do now is release an extended/epilogue ending. showing what happen to everyone before & after the ending n how the galactic society moves on. they should also try to enforce the ending (creator will always rebelled thing) with better explanation. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 20 2012, 07:31 AM) i don't really agree on changing the ending though, coz the damage is done. there are more harm than good if they do change it. The indoctrination theory is an extension. The theory counts on the fact that the whole sequence of the ending after Harbinger's laser is in Shepard's head. That's why if you have a high enough EMS and choose the destroy option Shepard wakes up on London. Assuming this theory is actually BioWare's plan, the game would most likely continue from there.what Bioware should do now is release an extended/epilogue ending. showing what happen to everyone before & after the ending n how the galactic society moves on. they should also try to enforce the ending (creator will always rebelled thing) with better explanation. |
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Mar 20 2012, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 07:41 AM) The indoctrination theory is an extension. The theory counts on the fact that the whole sequence of the ending after Harbinger's laser is in Shepard's head. That's why if you have a high enough EMS and choose the destroy option Shepard wakes up on London. Assuming this theory is actually BioWare's plan, the game would most likely continue from there. If thats true, those who played single player wont be able to continue their game as their shepard died with low EMS. There is no way to get more than 4000 EMS with MP. Still have to play the crap MP at the end.Seriously, Bioware, why shove a useless MP in a good single player game? |
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Mar 20 2012, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 10:36 AM) If thats true, those who played single player wont be able to continue their game as their shepard died with low EMS. There is no way to get more than 4000 EMS with MP. Still have to play the crap MP at the end. I personally enjoy the MP. And while I agree it sucks that you have to play the MP to get 4000EMS, you could just use a save file editor to increase your EMS if you absolutely don't want to play it.Seriously, Bioware, why shove a useless MP in a good single player game? |
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Mar 20 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 10:43 AM) I personally enjoy the MP. And while I agree it sucks that you have to play the MP to get 4000EMS, you could just use a save file editor to increase your EMS if you absolutely don't want to play it. I got 3.9k without multiplayer. At the end I decided to play MP to raise it above 5k after reading some endings guides. |
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Mar 20 2012, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 10:43 AM) I personally enjoy the MP. And while I agree it sucks that you have to play the MP to get 4000EMS, you could just use a save file editor to increase your EMS if you absolutely don't want to play it. I didnt like it at all, as it is very boring and at the same time, felt that it is shoved at your face to get good ending.I pretty much gave up on the game after finishing it once, mainly due to the forced MP and inconclusive ending. |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 11:52 AM) I didnt like it at all, as it is very boring and at the same time, felt that it is shoved at your face to get good ending. I chose the destroy option. Reapers gone. Shepard gone. Normandy crashes on unknown island. The END. Uninstall. I pretty much gave up on the game after finishing it once, mainly due to the forced MP and inconclusive ending. For me, it is as simple as that. I did what I was supposed to do and moved on. I thoroughly enjoyed the game. Still worth my money since I enjoyed 95% of it, last 5% is full of turd but that was the same with The Witcher 2 which also had a very lousy ending. This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 12:11 PM |
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 12:11 PM) I chose the destroy option. Reapers gone. Shepard gone. Normandy crashes on unknown island. The END. Uninstall. The Witcher 2 is getting a free DLC to extend the last chapter no?For me, it is as simple as that. I did what I was supposed to do and moved on. I thoroughly enjoyed the game. Still worth my money since I enjoyed 95% of it, last 5% is full of turd but that was the same with The Witcher 2 which also had a very lousy ending. |
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Mar 20 2012, 01:46 PM
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with so many ppl b****ing about the ending...
i think it would be an epic troll by Bioware if they say... yeap... this is Mass Effect 3 part 1.... part 2 due for release next year.... if Harry Porter can do it, why not ME? |
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 12:11 PM) I chose the destroy option. Reapers gone. Shepard gone. Normandy crashes on unknown island. The END. Uninstall. I think that's the proper attitude to take in regards to the ending of the game.For me, it is as simple as that. I did what I was supposed to do and moved on. I thoroughly enjoyed the game. Still worth my money since I enjoyed 95% of it, last 5% is full of turd but that was the same with The Witcher 2 which also had a very lousy ending. I can understand why people might not be happy with the ending(s) but finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction is a worst case example of fans with entitlement issues. But since everyone seems to want to create a theory to justify their time spent on ME1-3, I'm getting in on the fun as well. Here are my choice theories: 1. Much like the end of Star Trek 2, Liara did a vulcan/asari mind meld on you just before the final battle, which gives bioware the opportunity for a DLC entitled "The search for Shepard". Much hilarity ensues. 2. In the synthesis ending, Shepard gets turned into a zombie and the next DLC involves the adventures of Zombie Shepard and his battle against Plants. You also get to make difficult moral decisions which involve deciding which of your love interests to turn and the classic question of "brains or brraaaains?" 3. in line with Occam's razor, which posits that the simplest explanation is usually the right one, bioware just majorly underestimated the effect of their lazyman endings on their fans. Can't believe no one has linked this article http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/19...ffect-3s-ending which more or less echoes what i wrote earlier This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Mar 20 2012, 02:25 PM |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 20 2012, 02:24 PM) I think that's the proper attitude to take in regards to the ending of the game. aiyo...if follow occam's razor, simplest way is actually end ME at the begining, ME1, no need do two more games..I can understand why people might not be happy with the ending(s) but finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction is a worst case example of fans with entitlement issues. But since everyone seems to want to create a theory to justify their time spent on ME1-3, I'm getting in on the fun as well. Here are my choice theories: 1. Much like the end of Star Trek 2, Liara did a vulcan/asari mind meld on you just before the final battle, which gives bioware the opportunity for a DLC entitled "The search for Shepard". Much hilarity ensues. 2. In the synthesis ending, Shepard gets turned into a zombie and the next DLC involves the adventures of Zombie Shepard and his battle against Plants. You also get to make difficult moral decisions which involve deciding which of your love interests to turn and the classic question of "brains or brraaaains?" 3. in line with Occam's razor, which posits that the simplest explanation is usually the right one, bioware just majorly underestimated the effect of their lazyman endings on their fans. Can't believe no one has linked this article http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/19...ffect-3s-ending which more or less echoes what i wrote earlier |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 20 2012, 01:08 PM) The Witcher 2 is getting a free DLC to extend the last chapter no? Its free so I don't mind I can forgive CD Projekt for farking up the ending. However, EA will charge you for a DLC I will give them the bird for that hahaThis post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 07:10 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 20 2012, 02:24 PM) I think that's the proper attitude to take in regards to the ending of the game. You may label it however you want but, in my opinion, the indoctrination theory makes a lot of sense.I can understand why people might not be happy with the ending(s) but finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction is a worst case example of fans with entitlement issues. But since everyone seems to want to create a theory to justify their time spent on ME1-3, I'm getting in on the fun as well. Here are my choice theories: 1. Much like the end of Star Trek 2, Liara did a vulcan/asari mind meld on you just before the final battle, which gives bioware the opportunity for a DLC entitled "The search for Shepard". Much hilarity ensues. 2. In the synthesis ending, Shepard gets turned into a zombie and the next DLC involves the adventures of Zombie Shepard and his battle against Plants. You also get to make difficult moral decisions which involve deciding which of your love interests to turn and the classic question of "brains or brraaaains?" 3. in line with Occam's razor, which posits that the simplest explanation is usually the right one, bioware just majorly underestimated the effect of their lazyman endings on their fans. Can't believe no one has linked this article http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/19...ffect-3s-ending which more or less echoes what i wrote earlier If it were to be true, mass effect would be one of the greatest trilogies of all time. A true masterpiece and a piece of literary brilliance in game form. Right now, it commits literary suicide right at the end and it simply ends in disappointment and not the bittersweet satisfaction you get at the end of a brilliant book or movie. Sometimes, you just don't want films or books to end, but then they have to and you're content with that because the ending was satisfactory, or maybe even fantastic. But this... This is not satisfactory in any sense of the word. I am not finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction and I do not believe I am entitled to that ending. I simply want to believe that ending is true because it is bloody brilliant. Frankly, in my opinion, the only ones with entitlement issues are those who want all the DLC for free. Just because they have the game does not make them entitled to the DLC. The stark hypocrisy is very appalling. You may argue that it is unethical or that maybe it is just not right, but well that is the exact feelings of those who drew through logical process that the indoctrination of Shepard might be, in fact, true and given the ample amount reasoning and proof behind it, I have no reason to believe it is false. Like someone once said, "Why not believe in something until proven otherwise, rather than disbelieving it until proven true?" Cheers. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 07:15 PM) You may label it however you want but, in my opinion, the indoctrination theory makes a lot of sense. So you much rather EA sold you an unfinished game and then hold you hostage for DLCs for ending? Get your real ending here for $20! If it were to be true, mass effect would be one of the greatest trilogies of all time. A true masterpiece and a piece of literary brilliance in game form. Right now, it commits literary suicide right at the end and it simply ends in disappointment and not the bittersweet satisfaction you get at the end of a brilliant book or movie. Sometimes, you just don't want films or books to end, but then they have to and you're content with that because the ending was satisfactory, or maybe even fantastic. But this... This is not satisfactory in any sense of the word. I am not finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction and I do not believe I am entitled to that ending. I simply want to believe that ending is true because it is bloody brilliant. Frankly, in my opinion, the only ones with entitlement issues are those who want all the DLC for free. Just because they have the game does not make them entitled to the DLC. The stark hypocrisy is very appalling. You may argue that it is unethical or that maybe it is just not right, but well that is the exact feelings of those who drew through logical process that the indoctrination of Shepard might be, in fact, true and given the ample amount reasoning and proof behind it, I have no reason to believe it is false. Like someone once said, "Why not believe in something until proven otherwise, rather than disbelieving it until proven true?" Cheers. Please, this is more than Bioware and EA here. This is about not letting them set a precedent for doing this kind of shit in the first place. This isn't even optional DLC anymore. This is part of the core game. Indoctrination theory sounds all good and true, but there are evidence that Bioware cut that ending out because of time issues. The evidence you do see are remnants of that. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 20 2012, 07:24 PM) So you much rather EA sold you an unfinished game and then hold you hostage for DLCs for ending? Get your real ending here for $20! There is already a precedent for this kind of shit. Its standard practice for game industry right now. Please, this is more than Bioware and EA here. This is about not letting them set a precedent for doing this kind of shit in the first place. This isn't even optional DLC anymore. This is part of the core game. Indoctrination theory sounds all good and true, but there are evidence that Bioware cut that ending out because of time issues. The evidence you do see are remnants of that. It first started of as a lame horse armor pack haha, then it evolved into cutting up part of the storyline and repackaging it as a DLC *cough* Deus Ex Human Revolution THE MISSING LINK *cough*. Oh the irony! Now it has degenerated into cutting up the ending of a game and then selling it as a DLC. Perfect marketing strategy. Most gamers are sheeps who will buy anything that reputable devs throw at them. This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 07:35 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:37 PM
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The multi part is so hilarious.
Everything is riddled with 'Pay to Win'. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 20 2012, 07:37 PM) The multi part is so hilarious. uhhh...no it's not. Everything is riddled with 'Pay to Win'. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 07:31 PM) There is already a precedent for this kind of shit. Its standard practice for game industry right now. Yech. I stand corrected.It first started of as a lame horse armor pack haha, then it evolved into cutting up part of the storyline and repackaging it as a DLC *cough* Deus Ex Human Revolution THE MISSING LINK *cough*. Oh the irony! Now it has degenerated into cutting up the ending of a game and then selling it as a DLC. Perfect marketing strategy. Most gamers are sheeps who will buy anything that reputable devs throw at them. Next time I'll just wait for discounts. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 20 2012, 07:48 PM) Yech. I stand corrected. Wait for a GOTY edition even better. Everything bundled into one nice package. Next time I'll just wait for discounts. Most people prefer pirating though For DLCs If you go to torrent punya forums, you see posts like "I own original game but I pirate DLCs, please give link to crack" hahaha hilarious This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 07:57 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 20 2012, 07:48 PM) uhhh...no it's not. Just take a look into those things like Razer gears, merchandises, etc. Endorsed by EA/Bioware Exclusive uber-cool weapon with even more "upgrades" if you redeem the same code. Not to mention they are actually giving people choices to pay real currency to fund in-game weapons and upgrades. Consumers who literally pay to play have actually a wider arc of advantage not to mention headstart with minimal effort to those that don't. |
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Mar 20 2012, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 20 2012, 07:24 PM) So you much rather EA sold you an unfinished game and then hold you hostage for DLCs for ending? Get your real ending here for $20! This. I agree with Grif.Please, this is more than Bioware and EA here. This is about not letting them set a precedent for doing this kind of shit in the first place. This isn't even optional DLC anymore. This is part of the core game. Indoctrination theory sounds all good and true, but there are evidence that Bioware cut that ending out because of time issues. The evidence you do see are remnants of that. The ending is just a sign of saying, there will be more DLCs to come. And i really doubt this is just something optional like those DLCs on ME2. I have a feeling its gonna be something crucial to the storyline instead. Even the Prothean DLC, i think, is pretty much crucial to the game itself, unlike Kasumi. The Prothean DLC actually explains how Prothean were back then which answers some questions raised in the first and second game. EA wants your money, not your loyalty to their brand. I do not believe in whatever theories fans come out with, such as the indoctrination theory. So, if you wake up from indoctrination, what happens next? The need to pay Bioware so that you can continue the game with your melted armor shepard? Also, in the original script, there are 4 different unique endings without different colour explosion. 3 of them are cut form the game with the third one left intact and space jesus kid added. The original endings were far better than what we have. That would have been the closure we seek. Feels like Bioware has deliberately cut out the ending so they can make people pay for it. Same goes with the Take Back Omega quest, as it feels strangely disappeared from the main game after you recruit all 3 mercs. It was a pretty big thing in one of the comics, if im no wrong as Cerburus took over Omega from Aria. Aria now wants Omega back. QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 07:31 PM) There is already a precedent for this kind of shit. Its standard practice for game industry right now. Missing Link is still alright, as even without playing Missing Link, you dont feel like you have missed out a chunk in the storyline. Mass Effect 3 on the other hand, feels like they have taken out a few chunks of the game to make you pay for it later on.It first started of as a lame horse armor pack haha, then it evolved into cutting up part of the storyline and repackaging it as a DLC *cough* Deus Ex Human Revolution THE MISSING LINK *cough*. Oh the irony! Now it has degenerated into cutting up the ending of a game and then selling it as a DLC. Perfect marketing strategy. Most gamers are sheeps who will buy anything that reputable devs throw at them. EA is just greedy. |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 20 2012, 07:56 PM) Just take a look into those things like Razer gears, merchandises, etc. Endorsed by EA/Bioware the merchandise thing is done in other games as well. the difference is, EA puts in extra digital contents on it. Exclusive uber-cool weapon with even more "upgrades" if you redeem the same code. Not to mention they are actually giving people choices to pay real currency to fund in-game weapons and upgrades. Consumers who literally pay to play have actually a wider arc of advantage not to mention headstart with minimal effort to those that don't. n getting weapons in this game depends on chance/luck. so yes u can use real money but you are not buying weapons, just more try--i know ppl who spent $20 but only got usual weapons. n again, balance in MP is not really an issue. it's a Co-op play, not competitive. n the real advantage with ppl who placed 1st is how many EXP you got. money is not really much difference. |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 07:57 PM) Missing Link is still alright, as even without playing Missing Link, you dont feel like you have missed out a chunk in the storyline. Mass Effect 3 on the other hand, feels like they have taken out a few chunks of the game to make you pay for it later on. EA is just greedy. They potong Upper Hengsha, Montreal and Missing Link from the original game and then repackaged those into DLCs. Then later they say uhhh...no time...budget constraints, we do this during free time after we released DX HR which is utter bullshit. So even if it doesn't impact the story, it was something that was supposed to be part of the original game. You got ripped of because of the shitty precedent left by unscrupulous devs in the past. |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 08:11 PM) Actually, Eidos Montreal tipu you orang semua. yeah...i wonder why dev just don't include into the main game ? Really need to cut the content and make into DLCThey potong Upper Hengsha, Montreal and Missing Link from the original game and then repackaged those into DLCs. Then later they say uhhh...no time...budget constraints, we do this during free time after we released DX HR which is utter bullshit. So even if it doesn't impact the story, it was something that was supposed to be part of the original game. You got ripped of because of the shitty precedent left by unscrupulous devs in the past. |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 20 2012, 08:15 PM) yeah...i wonder why dev just don't include into the main game ? Really need to cut the content and make into DLC Uhhh...because of MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 08:11 PM) Actually, Eidos Montreal tipu you orang semua. And you missed out one, there were suppose to be India as a hub after the ending. So what if they cut the rest of the content? It was a fairly enjoyable game, compared to Mass Effect 3 plot holes ridden game with a redundant iOS sort of pay2win MP. They potong Upper Hengsha, Montreal and Missing Link from the original game and then repackaged those into DLCs. Then later they say uhhh...no time...budget constraints, we do this during free time after we released DX HR which is utter bullshit. So even if it doesn't impact the story, it was something that was supposed to be part of the original game. You got ripped of because of the shitty precedent left by unscrupulous devs in the past. At least Deus Ex HR ends with a reasonable ending, despite the last 1 hour is also pretty terrible too. At the same time, without a gawd awful MP shoved into it. Pretty much every game has it own share of content being cut, but none has bring it to the level EA is doing now. What have they done with ME3 is just disgusting especially the day 1 CE exclusive Prothean DLC and the Galactic Readiness system. Your decisions in the game doesnt matter, as what it counts at the end is whether you have played enough MP or not. Did BF or CoD halve your experience points in multiplayer because you didnt want to play their single player campaign? |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 20 2012, 08:08 PM) the merchandise thing is done in other games as well. the difference is, EA puts in extra digital contents on it. I find it kinda hard to believe it is even considered valid "extra contents" as ME3 isn't even considered or marketed as an MMO but sure as hell feels like one or at least trying hard to. Paying real cash for ever little mico-transactions for one.n getting weapons in this game depends on chance/luck. so yes u can use real money but you are not buying weapons, just more try--i know ppl who spent $20 but only got usual weapons. n again, balance in MP is not really an issue. it's a Co-op play, not competitive. n the real advantage with ppl who placed 1st is how many EXP you got. money is not really much difference. My point isn't about balance or whatnot but rather people who pay more can easily achieve more via buying for all those virtual perks. Also luck is disregarded as people who spend more the chances are much higher that sooner or later they pretty much going to own all those weapons, upgrades perks regardless of probability. Basically what I want to illustrate is that people who want to more easily fight off the reapers just need to pay to acquire more in-game upgrades (e.g. bonus stats, weapons) compared to those that actually spend countless hours playing to earn them. Thus literally my point: Pay to Win. This post has been edited by l337hunter: Mar 20 2012, 08:24 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 08:22 PM) And you missed out one, there were suppose to be India as a hub after the ending. So what if they cut the rest of the content? It was a fairly enjoyable game, compared to Mass Effect 3 plot holes ridden game with a redundant iOS sort of pay2win MP. Yes but that doesn't make Eidos Montreal completely innocent. Many people also got pissed at the way the game turned out. Omitted content and one way street boss fights. Prothean DLC is a travesty but I never really bothered with the ancient alien race with African accent hahahaha. MP for Galactic Readiness System is a dirty tactic trying to force players to try their shitty MP haha. Better play Battlefield 3 la. At least Deus Ex HR ends with a reasonable ending, despite the last 1 hour is also pretty terrible too. At the same time, without a gawd awful MP shoved into it. Pretty much every game has it own share of content being cut, but none has bring it to the level EA is doing now. What have they done with ME3 is just disgusting especially the day 1 CE exclusive Prothean DLC and the Galactic Readiness system. Your decisions in the game doesnt matter, as what it counts at the end is whether you have played enough MP or not. Did BF or CoD halve your experience points in multiplayer because you didnt want to play their single player campaign? Moreover, Deus Ex HR's ending is somewhat similar to Mass Effect 3's ending. One road with many lanes Instead of different color, you get different slideshows wathafark hahaha. |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 20 2012, 08:23 PM) I find it kinda hard to believe it is even considered valid "extra contents" as ME3 isn't even considered or marketed as an MMO but sure as hell feels like one or at least trying hard to. Paying real cash for ever little mico-transactions for one. so your problem with it is that ppl who play more will more or less has the same advantage as ppl who pay more?My point isn't about balance or whatnot but rather people who pay more can easily achieve more via buying for all those virtual perks. Also luck is disregarded as people who spend more the chances are much higher that sooner or later they pretty much going to own all those weapons, upgrades perks regardless of probability. Basically what I want to illustrate is that people who want to more easily fight off the reapers just need to pay to acquire more in-game upgrades (e.g. bonus stats, weapons) compared to those that actually spend countless hours playing to earn them. Thus literally my point: Pay to Win. that's a fair trade IMO. |
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Mar 20 2012, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 20 2012, 08:23 PM) I find it kinda hard to believe it is even considered valid "extra contents" as ME3 isn't even considered or marketed as an MMO but sure as hell feels like one or at least trying hard to. Paying real cash for ever little mico-transactions for one. There are 2 things i really dislike about the multiplayer component in Mass Effect 3.My point isn't about balance or whatnot but rather people who pay more can easily achieve more via buying for all those virtual perks. Also luck is disregarded as people who spend more the chances are much higher that sooner or later they pretty much going to own all those weapons, upgrades perks regardless of probability. Basically what I want to illustrate is that people who want to more easily fight off the reapers just need to pay to acquire more in-game upgrades (e.g. bonus stats, weapons) compared to those that actually spend countless hours playing to earn them. Thus literally my point: Pay to Win. The first one i have wrote about in my previous post, which is the Galactic Readiness system, where the more multiplayer you play, the less nonsensical fetching quest you need to do to get good ending. Such as fetching something to the Elcor Diplomat to "save" the Elcors from Reapers. That mission alone could be a decent side quest where you get to see how Elcor fight in battles that has been mention in the codex since the first game. If you dont want to play MP, then, you have no chance to get the best ending, as all i know, at the moment, the highest EMS without MP is 3900 which is 100 short to the best ending. You do not have a choice here to get the best ending via single player. Instead, you have to either buy Inflitrator or play their multiplayer to increase your galactic readiness. The second one would be the random card packs that Bioware chose to implement into the game. It's just a disgusting method of keeping players hooked to the game, as you'll never know what you'll be getting next. So, you just keep playing through a grindy process to get new items. Some might get Widow sniper rifle in the first Vet box, while some could not get it after 20 Spectre Boxes. As for me, i really dislike the randomness as you have no control on what you'll get, unlike the unlock trees in CoD or BF3. Just keep playing and hope you'll get it someday. Had enough of these random cards crap in Need for Speed World, dont think i want to stomach another round in Mass effect 3. Then, they add the option of buying cash in game with real world money, that just show how greedy EA has been. Thanks for showing a great example and ruin the game industry. I expect the next CoD will have option to buy guns or attachments with real money. Oh wait, Diablo 3 has a real money auction house that also encourage the same "The more money i have, the easier to win" behavior. Added on March 20, 2012, 8:48 pm QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 08:31 PM) Yes but that doesn't make Eidos Montreal completely innocent. Many people also got pissed at the way the game turned out. Omitted content and one way street boss fights. Prothean DLC is a travesty but I never really bothered with the ancient alien race with African accent hahahaha. MP for Galactic Readiness System is a dirty tactic trying to force players to try their shitty MP haha. Better play Battlefield 3 la. I am not saying Eidos Montreal is innocent, as they have their own shit too. However, compared to EA, Eidos is nothing. EA is just dirty in so many ways.Moreover, Deus Ex HR's ending is somewhat similar to Mass Effect 3's ending. One road with many lanes Instead of different color, you get different slideshows wathafark hahaha. The boss fights in DX:HR are dumb, especially the last one, but it could not beat the boredom of hearing some random people rantings in the Citadel, fly to some planet to pick up some junk and bring it back to Citadel to give them. Thats even more boring than the planet scanning in ME2 or Mako in ME1, although i admit escaping from the Reapers part is pretty fun, but the whole delivery boy thing does not fit the story at all. Just because the Prothean DLC doesnt mean anything to you, but from what i have experienced, it does matter a bit to the game's overall storyline as it provides an insight to how Protheans were. That offense is even worse than Missing Link. I think the Prothean DLC should be given to everyone. It's done on day 1, and everyone should had it, not just CE. At least DX:HR tried to show different slideshow with some implication which is just one damn line on what you have done, than the same crap with different colours. Then, Joker running to some weird tropical planet that doesnt make any sense at all. At the same time, you dont feel that the story is left halfway hanging in DX:HR, while ME3 does by introducing more questions. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 20 2012, 08:54 PM |
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To be honest, I don't know why they deviated from the Mass Effect 2 DLC model. I really thought they struck a good balance between core game content, and DLC content.
Zaeed, and the Cerberus Network stuff were given free for those who bought new. That's a really nice incentive to buy from them. Then there's the DLC themselves. Lair of the Shadow Broker is really very good, and best of all, it doesn't feel like it was omitted or tacked on. Stolen Memories and Overlord were pretty good as well, and well worth my money. (Kasumi is just funny. I really liked her.) Of course there's the standard weapon packs and alternate outfit DLC. Which to me is fine, since those are purely optional and those who want them are free to pay if they wish. (Mattock is a pretty OP DLC weapon, I heard.) The most important thing however, was how complete ME2 was without the DLC. I should know, I played through the game once without the DLCs installed. (At the time, I didn't know I had to download and install them separately.) The game felt extremely polished and more importantly, I didn't feel like I was missing anything. When I discovered the DLCs later, I found they were nice additions indeed, but nothing that really diminished the main storyline. That's the important part. I would say the same for Dragon Age: Origins. The DLCs were nice, but not a must get. |
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 20 2012, 08:36 PM) so your problem with it is that ppl who play more will more or less has the same advantage as ppl who pay more? You are right, it is. Im not questioning its fairness since EA/Bioware have full rights to add and charge for any additional contents.that's a fair trade IMO. Basically Im questioning why EA even expended to this? They are turning the ME series into another MMO-like franchise wannabe. If that were the case I really don't see how a title like ME sets apart like those Facebook or F2P games and call it a "premium franchise". QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 08:37 PM) The first one i have wrote about in my previous post, which is the Galactic Readiness system, where the more multiplayer you play, the less nonsensical fetching quest you need to do to get good ending. Such as fetching something to the Elcor Diplomat to "save" the Elcors from Reapers. That mission alone could be a decent side quest where you get to see how Elcor fight in battles that has been mention in the codex since the first game. If you dont want to play MP, then, you have no chance to get the best ending, as all i know, at the moment, the highest EMS without MP is 3900 which is 100 short to the best ending. You do not have a choice here to get the best ending via single player. Instead, you have to either buy Inflitrator or play their multiplayer to increase your galactic readiness. To put it short and sweet, Im really very disappointed how Galaxy of War turned out, it adds literally nothing to enrich the story nor the settings in the ME universe. The main appeal to those who are into action trigger happy shooters and as a 'side distraction' to the main game which you can already find in many other media. It actually felt a little too much of a 'dumbing down' appeal for this franchise.The second one would be the random card packs that Bioware chose to implement into the game. It's just a disgusting method of keeping players hooked to the game, as you'll never know what you'll be getting next. So, you just keep playing through a grindy process to get new items. Some might get Widow sniper rifle in the first Vet box, while some could not get it after 20 Spectre Boxes. As for me, i really dislike the randomness as you have no control on what you'll get, unlike the unlock trees in CoD or BF3. Just keep playing and hope you'll get it someday. Had enough of these random cards crap in Need for Speed World, dont think i want to stomach another round in Mass effect 3. Then, they add the option of buying cash in game with real world money, that just show how greedy EA has been. Thanks for showing a great example and ruin the game industry. I expect the next CoD will have option to buy guns or attachments with real money. Oh wait, Diablo 3 has a real money auction house that also encourage the same "The more money i have, the easier to win" behavior. Also frankly as much as I can't believe myself into saying this, I rather put my money into Ubisoft's upcoming games than Blizzard. They are already aware that their own WoW can't sustain them for another decade so they are hastening placing the "next big thing" into the works. |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 20 2012, 08:56 PM) To be honest, I don't know why they deviated from the Mass Effect 2 DLC model. I really thought they struck a good balance between core game content, and DLC content. The reasoning is simple. EA wants more money.Zaeed, and the Cerberus Network stuff were given free for those who bought new. That's a really nice incentive to buy from them. Then there's the DLC themselves. Lair of the Shadow Broker is really very good, and best of all, it doesn't feel like it was omitted or tacked on. Stolen Memories and Overlord were pretty good as well, and well worth my money. (Kasumi is just funny. I really liked her.) Of course there's the standard weapon packs and alternate outfit DLC. Which to me is fine, since those are purely optional and those who want them are free to pay if they wish. (Mattock is a pretty OP DLC weapon, I heard.) The most important thing however, was how complete ME2 was without the DLC. I should know, I played through the game once without the DLCs installed. (At the time, I didn't know I had to download and install them separately.) The game felt extremely polished and more importantly, I didn't feel like I was missing anything. When I discovered the DLCs later, I found they were nice additions indeed, but nothing that really diminished the main storyline. That's the important part. I would say the same for Dragon Age: Origins. The DLCs were nice, but not a must get. Javik could have been a day 1 DLC free for everyone who bought new. Instead, it become CE only while the incentive to buy new become the Online Pass for the awful MP. All the sudden MP become the main focus of the game. Mass Effect 1 and 2 felt complete when you finish the game, without leaving too much questions, or in ME3 case, it leaves even more questions. I finished ME1 and 2 without DLC, it felt alright without anything missing while it is also surprising that the lack of DLC in the second game linked well to the third game. Again, the third game didnt felt complete when you finish the game as it leaves even more questions, probably for more DLCs. Why was Joker running away? Why suddenly Illusive Man appear on the Citadel at the final moment? Why did the Space Jesus appeared? What happens after you choose any one of the 3 choices? Did Wrex survive? What happen to the rest of my crew before Joker pick up everyone but Shepard and run away? Who is Stargazer and the kid? They did not explain those questions, and leaving it the way it is does not provide any closure to gamers. It just left the game with a lazily made ending. Thats why people are pissed. Mass Effect 3 is a very well crafted game, except the ending. |
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Mar 20 2012, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 09:22 PM) Thats why people are pissed. Mass Effect 3 is a very well crafted game, except the ending. It was beautiful until after Shepard collapsed at the control panel. THEN it quickly became bad and went to worse. Before that scene, it was tough to decide if ME2 or ME3 was my favourite. I love the squad dynamic in ME2 but the actual main quests were so short. Still the side quests and companion quests plus amazing DLC like Shadow Broker made up for it. |
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 20 2012, 09:19 PM) You are right, it is. Im not questioning its fairness since EA/Bioware have full rights to add and charge for any additional contents. EA has pretty much turned some of their games into a premium pay to win sort of game. I notice some of their recent games has been incredibly grindy, such as BF3 with the need to unlock attachment separately for each gun and ME3's random lottery multiplayer unlock system.Basically Im questioning why EA even expended to this? They are turning the ME series into another MMO-like franchise wannabe. If that were the case I really don't see how a title like ME sets apart like those Facebook or F2P games and call it a "premium franchise". Probably due to their success with NFS World. QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 20 2012, 09:19 PM) To put it short and sweet, Im really very disappointed how Galaxy of War turned out, it adds literally nothing to enrich the story nor the settings in the ME universe. The main appeal to those who are into action trigger happy shooters and as a 'side distraction' to the main game which you can already find in many other media. It actually felt a little too much of a 'dumbing down' appeal for this franchise. I did not like it since the first day i played it in the demo. Basically it is just a clunky cover based survival mode. All EA wants is to make people keep going back to that few maps and keep playing the multiplayer forever, just like most people in the ME3 main thread. No one cares about SP there. I think its more than just dumb down the game, as it feels like they want to use Galaxy at War as a transition to make Mass Effect a competitive shooter.Also frankly as much as I can't believe myself into saying this, I rather put my money into Ubisoft's upcoming games than Blizzard. They are already aware that their own WoW can't sustain them for another decade so they are hastening placing the "next big thing" into the works. If i want to run around a compound shooting something, i guess MW3 will be a better game as their Spec Ops mode is much better than this crappy Galaxy at War. Not to forget better movements and shooting mechanism. I'll rather buy Activision Blizzard games than EA games now. At least Activision Blizzard rarely give exclusive day 1 content with online pass stuck into it. Added on March 20, 2012, 9:43 pm QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 20 2012, 09:34 PM) It was beautiful until after Shepard collapsed at the control panel. THEN it quickly became bad and went to worse. Exactly, thats what i think too. It was a great ending to the series. Not to forget the whole massive fleet fighting with Reapers towards the end. It was some amazing stuff.Before that scene, it was tough to decide if ME2 or ME3 was my favourite. I love the squad dynamic in ME2 but the actual main quests were so short. Still the side quests and companion quests plus amazing DLC like Shadow Broker made up for it. IMO, ME2 had amazing squad dynamics, but ME3 has a much involvement with the rest of the galaxy. Both are great game, if you remove the crappy last 10 minutes in ME3. However, ME3 feels a lot shorter to me. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 20 2012, 09:43 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 20 2012, 08:31 PM) Yes but that doesn't make Eidos Montreal completely innocent. Many people also got pissed at the way the game turned out. Omitted content and one way street boss fights. Prothean DLC is a travesty but I never really bothered with the ancient alien race with African accent hahahaha. MP for Galactic Readiness System is a dirty tactic trying to force players to try their shitty MP haha. Better play Battlefield 3 la. The thing about DX:HR is the game wasn't all about Jensen's choices and how they affected the world. Mass Effect was all about Shepard's choices and how they affected the galaxy. Importing save files from the two previous games just for it to culminate into a select screen at the end is utter bullshit. I'm not saying the DLC is just and fair. They are wrong and if they purposely omitted the true ending to force people to buy it then it is disgusting and should not be tolerated.Moreover, Deus Ex HR's ending is somewhat similar to Mass Effect 3's ending. One road with many lanes Instead of different color, you get different slideshows wathafark hahaha. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 08:37 PM) There are 2 things i really dislike about the multiplayer component in Mass Effect 3. You do not need to buy the packs to win. It makes it easier to buy them with real money but it is in the end unnecessary.The first one i have wrote about in my previous post, which is the Galactic Readiness system, where the more multiplayer you play, the less nonsensical fetching quest you need to do to get good ending. Such as fetching something to the Elcor Diplomat to "save" the Elcors from Reapers. That mission alone could be a decent side quest where you get to see how Elcor fight in battles that has been mention in the codex since the first game. If you dont want to play MP, then, you have no chance to get the best ending, as all i know, at the moment, the highest EMS without MP is 3900 which is 100 short to the best ending. You do not have a choice here to get the best ending via single player. Instead, you have to either buy Inflitrator or play their multiplayer to increase your galactic readiness. The second one would be the random card packs that Bioware chose to implement into the game. It's just a disgusting method of keeping players hooked to the game, as you'll never know what you'll be getting next. So, you just keep playing through a grindy process to get new items. Some might get Widow sniper rifle in the first Vet box, while some could not get it after 20 Spectre Boxes. As for me, i really dislike the randomness as you have no control on what you'll get, unlike the unlock trees in CoD or BF3. Just keep playing and hope you'll get it someday. Had enough of these random cards crap in Need for Speed World, dont think i want to stomach another round in Mass effect 3. Then, they add the option of buying cash in game with real world money, that just show how greedy EA has been. Thanks for showing a great example and ruin the game industry. I expect the next CoD will have option to buy guns or attachments with real money. Oh wait, Diablo 3 has a real money auction house that also encourage the same "The more money i have, the easier to win" behavior. And the random card packs are a disgusting method to keep people in interested? Well, sorry, but things like this have been going on since the early days of entertainment. They need something to keep people interested. I frankly lost interest in BF:BC2 after I unlocked all the weapons. I am serious. There was really no motivation to play any more after that. Things like this don't even only occur in video games, they occur in real life as well. Random card packs come from card games like Magic: The Gathering and Pokemon where you would buy packs in hopes that you'll get your desired card, and if you don't well, buy another one! And unlike video games, there is no alternative option but to pay for them in real money. It is only because ME3 is more mainstream than card games that you raise this issue. Buying cash in game is a symbol of EA's greed? Please. It is optional. Optional being the operative word here. Team Fortress 2 does this all the time. You can buy weapon/hat/accessory packs with real money. Otherwise you hope they randomly drop out of the sky when you're playing the game or you craft it yourself with other items that randomly drop out of the sky or you trade an undesirable item that happens to also fall out from the sky for a desirable item that the other person probably obtained by having it fall out from the sky. Furthermore, someone said luck is disregarded when you pay more because they can just keep paying and paying? Luck is not disregarded. You still have the same probability of obtaining an item you want. It is just easier because you theoretically have more tries. In the end, after all this, the point that you "pay2win" is still moot since it is a co-op game. You're not facing an enemy team of human players that have an advantage because they bought items more powerful than you. The idea behind pay2win is that without paying, you can't get the best items. No matter what. In ME3, paying just makes it easier for you to get the best weapons whereas without paying you'll have to earn credits by playing the game. Fair trade, in my opinion, those who pay deserve it. And don't even say you have to buy Infiltrator. You don't. You can play multiplayer that you got for free with the game. Each time you win, takes around 20mins, increases your galactic readiness by 9%. Now if you say you can get 3.9k EMS without playing multiplayer then well 9% will easily put you over 4k EMS. What you're saying is you don't like the multiplayer not because of the gameplay of the multiplayer component but because of how they give you incentive to play the multiplayer component. What kind of reasoning is that? If you honestly don't enjoy the multiplayer the fine. Forcing you to play the multiplayer by having it affect your EMS isn't very nice but in the end it does no harm. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 08:37 PM) I am not saying Eidos Montreal is innocent, as they have their own shit too. However, compared to EA, Eidos is nothing. EA is just dirty in so many ways. The initial argument here was that the indoctrination theory was bullshit and I was arguing against that. I never said that the way they're doing the DLCs for ME3 was justifiable. Though you could read the part where I said those who believe the DLC should have been theirs from the beginning are fans with entitlement issues as support for the DLC, the fact is, the Prothean is non-essential. The boss fights in DX:HR are dumb, especially the last one, but it could not beat the boredom of hearing some random people rantings in the Citadel, fly to some planet to pick up some junk and bring it back to Citadel to give them. Thats even more boring than the planet scanning in ME2 or Mako in ME1, although i admit escaping from the Reapers part is pretty fun, but the whole delivery boy thing does not fit the story at all. Just because the Prothean DLC doesnt mean anything to you, but from what i have experienced, it does matter a bit to the game's overall storyline as it provides an insight to how Protheans were. That offense is even worse than Missing Link. I think the Prothean DLC should be given to everyone. It's done on day 1, and everyone should had it, not just CE. At least DX:HR tried to show different slideshow with some implication which is just one damn line on what you have done, than the same crap with different colours. Then, Joker running to some weird tropical planet that doesnt make any sense at all. At the same time, you dont feel that the story is left halfway hanging in DX:HR, while ME3 does by introducing more questions. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « The history of the Protheans is not essential to the story. It is nice to know but it is not a necessity. Might I remind you that the only reason DLC has blown out of proportion is because we have yet to show that DLC is an issue? While we may say clearly here that we are not going to buy any more DLC, we are the minority. I haven't bought DLC to date, but I bought From Ashes because so far I had a pretty brilliant time with Mass Effect 3, so I thought hey, it's 30 ringgit, why not? Then the ending happened. Oh, btw, no one discusses the SP in the ME3 main thread because this thread was created to discuss the story. There's a reason there's two separate threads. One for spoilers & story discussion and one without. This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 20 2012, 09:58 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM) You do not need to buy the packs to win. It makes it easier to buy them with real money but it is in the end unnecessary. I know very well that buying packs with real money is optional, but leaving it as an option allows those with deep pockets able to get more items easily than those who choose to grind through it. This will give those who bought card packs advantage over those who didnt in terms of arsenal available.And the random card packs are a disgusting method to keep people in interested? Well, sorry, but things like this have been going on since the early days of entertainment. They need something to keep people interested. I frankly lost interest in BF:BC2 after I unlocked all the weapons. I am serious. There was really no motivation to play any more after that. Things like this don't even only occur in video games, they occur in real life as well. Random card packs come from card games like Magic: The Gathering and Pokemon where you would buy packs in hopes that you'll get your desired card, and if you don't well, buy another one! And unlike video games, there is no alternative option but to pay for them in real money. It is only because ME3 is more mainstream than card games that you raise this issue. I played BC2 because i want to enjoy the scale and the battles, not for the sake of unlocking stuff again and again. This isnt your virtual stamp collecting game and i am not interesting to spend next 400 hours unlocking the same items for different gun that i have already own for other guns in BF3. Just give me all the tools i want then, i'll just play the game the way i want. 100 hours to unlock everything in BC2 is enough, and there is no need to put another 400 hours. I never like Magic or Pokemon cards, as they are just a ridiculously expensive hobby to have. Some times, i just do not understand why people play games just for the sake of unlocking stuff, instead of enjoying what the suppose to offer. QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM) Buying cash in game is a symbol of EA's greed? Please. It is optional. Optional being the operative word here. Team Fortress 2 does this all the time. You can buy weapon/hat/accessory packs with real money. Otherwise you hope they randomly drop out of the sky when you're playing the game or you craft it yourself with other items that randomly drop out of the sky or you trade an undesirable item that happens to also fall out from the sky for a desirable item that the other person probably obtained by having it fall out from the sky. Yes, it is optional but is there a need to pull the F2P nonsense to a full price game? At least TF2's random drop has more chances to get your desired item as you get the choice to craft if you need to or trade for it. In ME3, there are no such option, other than relying on random card packs. Random card packs is just a dirty way to keep people playing as they never know what to unlock next.QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM) Furthermore, someone said luck is disregarded when you pay more because they can just keep paying and paying? Luck is not disregarded. You still have the same probability of obtaining an item you want. It is just easier because you theoretically have more tries. In the end, after all this, the point that you "pay2win" is still moot since it is a co-op game. You're not facing an enemy team of human players that have an advantage because they bought items more powerful than you. The idea behind pay2win is that without paying, you can't get the best items. No matter what. In ME3, paying just makes it easier for you to get the best weapons whereas without paying you'll have to earn credits by playing the game. Fair trade, in my opinion, those who pay deserve it. The logic is simple as the more you buy, the chances you have in getting the item you want which makes it easier to get the good items. As mention before, i hate this kind of dirty techniques to keep people playing. Randomness should not have a huge part in a AAA game, and ME3 isnt some crap F2P.QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM) And don't even say you have to buy Infiltrator. You don't. You can play multiplayer that you got for free with the game. Each time you win, takes around 20mins, increases your galactic readiness by 9%. Now if you say you can get 3.9k EMS without playing multiplayer then well 9% will easily put you over 4k EMS. What you're saying is you don't like the multiplayer not because of the gameplay of the multiplayer component but because of how they give you incentive to play the multiplayer component. What kind of reasoning is that? If you honestly don't enjoy the multiplayer the fine. Forcing you to play the multiplayer by having it affect your EMS isn't very nice but in the end it does no harm. No, i am not going to touch the shoved in multiplayer. Played it in the demo and i did not enjoy one bit. It's boring with clunky controls and run around circles killing random enemies. DoW2's Last Stand or MW3's Spec Ops Survival is far better than Galaxy at War if i want a coop experience.Using the Galactic Readiness system is not an incentive to make you to play multiplayer, it is directly forced upon to you play it so that you can get a good ending. As i have said many times, did CoD pull this kind of stunt where your xp earned in multiplayer becomes half because you didnt want to play their single player? EA does it first and you'll see everyone doing it to their games to "encourage" people to play MP. If they did not do the Galactic Readiness crap, i wont have put the multiplayer is such a bad way. QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM) The initial argument here was that the indoctrination theory was bullshit and I was arguing against that. I never said that the way they're doing the DLCs for ME3 was justifiable. Though you could read the part where I said those who believe the DLC should have been theirs from the beginning are fans with entitlement issues as support for the DLC, the fact is, the Prothean is non-essential. Prothean has been a large mystery in the past 2 games, and which part of it is not essential to the third game? It was a mystery surrounding the game to that extincted race. The execution of the DLC is undoubtedly poor but the way they market it, it does feel like it was suppose to be crucial part of the game. The history of the Protheans is not essential to the story. It is nice to know but it is not a necessity. If the content is done by release, it should be released to everyone who buys the game, not just the CE owners. Rather than forcing those with standard version to fork out more money to complete their experience. QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:52 PM) Oh, btw, no one discusses the SP in the ME3 main thread because this thread was created to discuss the story. There's a reason there's two separate threads. One for spoilers & story discussion and one without. Back in Mass effect 2, there were 2 thread. One with spoiler and one without.It's great to see that Multiplayer has become a huge part of ME3, but it seems more like a transition of Mass effect to satisfy those CoD fans. At the same time, losing Mass Effect's intended identity where Mass Effect should be a single player focused game, not another CoD wannabe. |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 10:26 PM) I know very well that buying packs with real money is optional, but leaving it as an option allows those with deep pockets able to get more items easily than those who choose to grind through it. This will give those who bought card packs advantage over those who didnt in terms of arsenal available. People enjoy the feeling of achieving something. Being rewarded after doing something is a good feeling, it's the same as getting achievements and stuff. But I understand your reasons.I played BC2 because i want to enjoy the scale and the battles, not for the sake of unlocking stuff again and again. This isnt your virtual stamp collecting game and i am not interesting to spend next 400 hours unlocking the same items for different gun that i have already own for other guns in BF3. Just give me all the tools i want then, i'll just play the game the way i want. 100 hours to unlock everything in BC2 is enough, and there is no need to put another 400 hours. I never like Magic or Pokemon cards, as they are just a ridiculously expensive hobby to have. Some times, i just do not understand why people play games just for the sake of unlocking stuff, instead of enjoying what the suppose to offer. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 10:26 PM) Yes, it is optional but is there a need to pull the F2P nonsense to a full price game? At least TF2's random drop has more chances to get your desired item as you get the choice to craft if you need to or trade for it. In ME3, there are no such option, other than relying on random card packs. Random card packs is just a dirty way to keep people playing as they never know what to unlock next. I never got a Familiar Fez. Trading and crafting weren't in the game at first. TF2 was at it's prime right before they put all the extra stuff in IMO. But that's irrelevant. It still all comes down to the luck factor with TF2. You just have more options at getting the item.QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 10:26 PM) The logic is simple as the more you buy, the chances you have in getting the item you want which makes it easier to get the good items. As mention before, i hate this kind of dirty techniques to keep people playing. Randomness should not have a huge part in a AAA game, and ME3 isnt some crap F2P. Fair enough. You legitimately don't enjoy the multiplayer and the game forcing you to play the multiplayer only makes it worse. Though AFAIK this is the first time BioWare did multiplayer, no? We should cut them some slack. I really don't see any other way they could have gotten people interested in the multiplayer.No, i am not going to touch the shoved in multiplayer. Played it in the demo and i did not enjoy one bit. It's boring with clunky controls and run around circles killing random enemies. DoW2's Last Stand or MW3's Spec Ops Survival is far better than Galaxy at War if i want a coop experience. Using the Galactic Readiness system is not an incentive to make you to play multiplayer, it is directly forced upon to you play it so that you can get a good ending. As i have said many times, did CoD pull this kind of stunt where your xp earned in multiplayer becomes half because you didnt want to play their single player? EA does it first and you'll see everyone doing it to their games to "encourage" people to play MP. If they did not do the Galactic Readiness crap, i wont have put the multiplayer is such a bad way. Though I expected some Cerberus/Geth vs. Alliance PvP at least. Hm. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 10:26 PM) Prothean has been a large mystery in the past 2 games, and which part of it is not essential to the third game? It was a mystery surrounding the game to that extincted race. The execution of the DLC is undoubtedly poor but the way they market it, it does feel like it was suppose to be crucial part of the game. There was never a mystery surrounding the Protheans. The only reason they were relevant was because they were closest to defeating the Reapers. Everything else was just extra. But yes I do feel that without Javik the game would be less, I never played the game without Javik so I wouldn't know but I can't see how the game would be like without him. I won't defend their decision to release it as DLC because I feel like it should've been included in the main game as well. Besides, you never found out anything new about the Protheans in ME3 except for their touch and feel abilities. You already knew they were trying to preserve themselves but failed due to power failure in ME1. In ME2 you find out they turned into the Collectors. In ME3... Well nothing new. Since Javik was a soldier and all he couldn't even tell you anything.If the content is done by release, it should be released to everyone who buys the game, not just the CE owners. Rather than forcing those with standard version to fork out more money to complete their experience. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 10:26 PM) Back in Mass effect 2, there were 2 thread. One with spoiler and one without. Mass Effect never lost it's identity. I still look at it as a SP game first. The only reason they're discussing the multiplayer primarily in the main thread is because it is continuously relevant. The single player component... There's really nothing much to ask about it except the story or some quest issues. The quest tracking system is horrible btw.It's great to see that Multiplayer has become a huge part of ME3, but it seems more like a transition of Mass effect to satisfy those CoD fans. At the same time, losing Mass Effect's intended identity where Mass Effect should be a single player focused game, not another CoD wannabe. Anyway, let's put this past us. It is a pointless discussion. EA is disgusting for the DLC and probably forcing BioWare to include multiplayer. Period. |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 11:17 PM) There was never a mystery surrounding the Protheans. The only reason they were relevant was because they were closest to defeating the Reapers. Everything else was just extra. But yes I do feel that without Javik the game would be less, I never played the game without Javik so I wouldn't know but I can't see how the game would be like without him. I won't defend their decision to release it as DLC because I feel like it should've been included in the main game as well. Besides, you never found out anything new about the Protheans in ME3 except for their touch and feel abilities. You already knew they were trying to preserve themselves but failed due to power failure in ME1. In ME2 you find out they turned into the Collectors. In ME3... Well nothing new. Since Javik was a soldier and all he couldn't even tell you anything. Javik does actually divulge some pretty in-depth lore during the Thessia arc. Or so I heard. Enough that you would go, "Wow, they did that?" kind of thing. I won't spoil it here, but it does change your perception towards the asari. Not that it's really mission important, but I think it adds quite a bit of flavour to the main mission. (ie. it becomes less of a fetch quest.) Plus, you know. Protheans. Who wouldn't want one in their squad after how they were hailed as heroes in ME1 and ME2.Conversely, Kasumi and Zaeed were pretty harmless insofar that they never actually revealed anything important you couldn't guess from another source or the in-game codex. |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 20 2012, 11:32 PM) Javik does actually divulge some pretty in-depth lore during the Thessia arc. Or so I heard. Enough that you would go, "Wow, they did that?" kind of thing. I won't spoil it here, but it does change your perception towards the asari. Not that it's really mission important, but I think it adds quite a bit of flavour to the main mission. (ie. it becomes less of a fetch quest.) Plus, you know. Protheans. Who wouldn't want one in their squad after how they were hailed as heroes in ME1 and ME2. Oh? I regret not taking Javik on the Thessia mission then. xPConversely, Kasumi and Zaeed were pretty harmless insofar that they never actually revealed anything important you couldn't guess from another source or the in-game codex. |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 07:15 PM) You may label it however you want but, in my opinion, the indoctrination theory makes a lot of sense. I don't get why there is an expectation that the Mass Effect 3 trilogy must be a true masterpiece of literary brilliance. There have been so many trilogies which have started off promisingly enough but ended on a damp squib. The Godfather trilogy, the original star wars trilogy, the Matrix trilogy. spider-man, terminator? Fine, the ending is disappointing, but surely you enjoyed the first 2 movies sufficiently for them to produce the third one? This goes back to what i wrote earlier, the last 2% sucked (ok so did mako driving and strip mining) but the other 90 odd % was awesome. You can't really unenjoy what you previously enjoyed.If it were to be true, mass effect would be one of the greatest trilogies of all time. A true masterpiece and a piece of literary brilliance in game form. Right now, it commits literary suicide right at the end and it simply ends in disappointment and not the bittersweet satisfaction you get at the end of a brilliant book or movie. Sometimes, you just don't want films or books to end, but then they have to and you're content with that because the ending was satisfactory, or maybe even fantastic. But this... This is not satisfactory in any sense of the word. I am not finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction and I do not believe I am entitled to that ending. I simply want to believe that ending is true because it is bloody brilliant. Frankly, in my opinion, the only ones with entitlement issues are those who want all the DLC for free. Just because they have the game does not make them entitled to the DLC. The stark hypocrisy is very appalling. You may argue that it is unethical or that maybe it is just not right, but well that is the exact feelings of those who drew through logical process that the indoctrination of Shepard might be, in fact, true and given the ample amount reasoning and proof behind it, I have no reason to believe it is false. Like someone once said, "Why not believe in something until proven otherwise, rather than disbelieving it until proven true?" Cheers. Revising endings of works of fiction is what gets you Hayden Christensen CGIed into the end sequence of return of the jedi... That's even more insulting to the audience. I'm not sure which is more deperate, wanting the ending of Romeo & Juliet changed so that they both live or believing that at the end they're still faking death because they believe they are being watched. By getting the stargazer ending, irrespective of which option you chose at the end, you end the cycle. You've given hope back to every race in the galaxy. No more "best before date" for everyone. Irrespective of whether the relays blow up, the citadel survives or whatever, life goes on. Surely that should be enough. However, the normandy escape scene? That one i don't get. ps. Believing in something until proven otherwise is such a bad idea as it means making decisions based on possibly false and unproven assumptions. |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 21 2012, 02:39 PM) I don't get why there is an expectation that the Mass Effect 3 trilogy must be a true masterpiece of literary brilliance. There have been so many trilogies which have started off promisingly enough but ended on a damp squib. The Godfather trilogy, the original star wars trilogy, the Matrix trilogy. spider-man, terminator? Noooo Dark Knight Returns Why you curse it |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 21 2012, 02:39 PM) I don't get why there is an expectation that the Mass Effect 3 trilogy must be a true masterpiece of literary brilliance. There have been so many trilogies which have started off promisingly enough but ended on a damp squib. The Godfather trilogy, the original star wars trilogy, the Matrix trilogy. spider-man, terminator? Still better than the Mass Effect 3 ending. |
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Mar 21 2012, 03:03 PM) Noooo Dark Knight Returns Surely, it must be better than Batman Forever the 3rd movie from the previous series Why you curse it |
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I actually like how the ending was, not so much how it was presented. If only I knew what happened to all my companions, that added to the end would have been awesome.
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Mar 21 2012, 04:39 PM
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The game ends with mass relay being destroyed all over the galaxy
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Mar 21 2012, 05:09 PM
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I never liked the idea of a Prothean squadmate... I would rather they stay dead and legendary. I hear his dialogue is pretty funny though.
I found TF2 rather boring after they introduced so many new items and the payment system. Some of the items are really expensive there. That one is a game where buying gives you an advantage. I'm not sure how long I would have to play to even get back my bow for the sniper class after it vanished from my backpack. |
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 21 2012, 04:39 PM) The game ends with mass relay being destroyed all over the galaxy Mission accomplished, Shepard. You're the greatest Reaper in history.Isin't mass relay suppose to go supernova when destroyed? Galactic wipeout just as planned |
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Mar 21 2012, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 21 2012, 02:39 PM) I don't get why there is an expectation that the Mass Effect 3 trilogy must be a true masterpiece of literary brilliance. There have been so many trilogies which have started off promisingly enough but ended on a damp squib. The Godfather trilogy, the original star wars trilogy, the Matrix trilogy. spider-man, terminator? Fine, the ending is disappointing, but surely you enjoyed the first 2 movies sufficiently for them to produce the third one? This goes back to what i wrote earlier, the last 2% sucked (ok so did mako driving and strip mining) but the other 90 odd % was awesome. You can't really unenjoy what you previously enjoyed. The Matrix and Spider-Man was alright to me. The endings fit what the movies were. Though maybe I should watch them again, I watched Matrix when I was a kid and last time it was all, "Explosion! Yay!"Revising endings of works of fiction is what gets you Hayden Christensen CGIed into the end sequence of return of the jedi... That's even more insulting to the audience. I'm not sure which is more deperate, wanting the ending of Romeo & Juliet changed so that they both live or believing that at the end they're still faking death because they believe they are being watched. By getting the stargazer ending, irrespective of which option you chose at the end, you end the cycle. You've given hope back to every race in the galaxy. No more "best before date" for everyone. Irrespective of whether the relays blow up, the citadel survives or whatever, life goes on. Surely that should be enough. However, the normandy escape scene? That one i don't get. ps. Believing in something until proven otherwise is such a bad idea as it means making decisions based on possibly false and unproven assumptions. The difference here is you are comparing movies to games. In games, the endings CAN be patched, they can be changed if the developers see a better way to end them. I can't say anything about Star Wars since I haven't watched the initial trilogy recently. And wtf Romeo & Juliet? ME3 was never a love story was it? I can't say I've read Romeo & Juliet so I can't give any more in-depth analysis of the story but seriously, comparing ME to Romeo & Juliet is just nonsense. And just to answer your initial statement, there is no expectation that ME3 would be a true masterpiece. The thing I said was that ME3 would be a masterpiece if the indoctrination theory were true. Please don't just read a single sentence and throw the rest of my post out the window. There was however an expectation of more than 1 ending with 3 slight differences between them. The developers have always said that the endings would weigh in all your choices from the previous games. That was why you were given the option to import your save files. If in the end, no matter what you did, you'd separate all the races of Mass Effect by destroying all the mass relays then what the hell was the entire of mass effect's plot for? Throughout the whole of ME3, you go uniting all the races. The Turians and the Krogans, the Quarians and the Geth. What was that for? Just to build an army strong enough to get on the crucible? Mass Effect was more than a war against the Reapers, it was Shepard's effect on the galaxy. This human race, an infant of galactic travel, uniting the races to bring about a common cause: Survival through any means. And if that means is the destruction of the Reapers then so be it. You know, there's a reason they let you unite the Geth and Quarian last. They want that choice to still be in your head when you make the choices at the ending. Knowing that you've united the Geth and Quarian before, why would you choose to destroy? You have single-handedly caused and experienced the unification of an organic and a synthetic race. That Shepard would not argue against the holographic synthetic God starchild is just nonsense. On the brink of death, a God appears before you and tells you that you can throw all you have accomplished away, control what you have sought to destroy and right after you just told TIM that you can't control them, you have to destroy them or unite all synthetic and organic life <- What Reapers have been doing, serving you plates of bio-synthetic death machines made from organics harvested throughout the galaxy. Sorry, I got sidetracked but to just accept the ending of Mass Effect is like you haven't played the previous games at all. People aren't pissed because they want this game to be god damn bloody brilliant, they are pissed because all of their actions in the games culminates in a select screen at the end. And initially, my post was to incite discussion on the indoctrination theory and suddenly some people take parts of my post out of context and start a pointless argument. This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 21 2012, 05:30 PM |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 21 2012, 05:09 PM) Mission accomplished, Shepard. You're the greatest Reaper in history. The more I play the ending, the more I'm convinced that Synthesis is the best ending. |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 21 2012, 05:23 PM) The more I play the ending, the more I'm convinced that Synthesis is the best ending. Synthesis was pretty creepy in the sense that Joker and EDI are finally able to get on together...Yeah, BSN might have infected me on that one. |
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Finish my insanity playthrough. Nothing really hard if to be compared to collector base in mass effect 2.
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Mar 21 2012, 06:09 PM) Finish my insanity playthrough. Nothing really hard if to be compared to collector base in mass effect 2. Not the final fight with 4 banshees and a reaper shooting lasers at you?The Kai Leng part is the hardest so far I experienced. |
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Mar 21 2012, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:14 PM) Not the final fight with 4 banshees and a reaper shooting lasers at you? This part I even had problems on normal. |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:14 PM) Not the final fight with 4 banshees and a reaper shooting lasers at you? QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:28 PM) This part I even had problems on normal. This part is very simple only. You are not required to kill all or any. Just take cover and wait for EDI to give the green light then run to the control panel once hammer weapon system syncs with normandy. |
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 21 2012, 06:53 PM) This part is very simple only. You are not required to kill all or any. Just take cover and wait for EDI to give the green light then run to the control panel once hammer weapon system syncs with normandy. like that oso hard, since banshee will come and kill you |
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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:57 PM) like that oso hard, since banshee will come and kill you Just keep running away from them. Move from one cover to another. I didn't bother to fight them. Then when EDI called, I ran faster than Usain Bolt |
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^ahahaha, same la..managed to kill 2 banshees and the other i only let em run around..take cover and wait for EDI signal...
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:14 PM) Not the final fight with 4 banshees and a reaper shooting lasers at you? This one you only need to watch your distance. Once the truck is online. Quickly run and press the button. No need waste time shooting.Edit: Your choice for partners also matter imo. Bring partners who can lob grenades. James (frag grenade) or Javik (lift grenade). Can buy you some time to shoot while they flinch. Biotic combination also will do; Liara and Javik. Dark Channel + Warp = sexplosion. I brought these two. The Kai Leng part was hard because the tight room. In insanity enemy keep spamming grenades. One hit kill. This post has been edited by SteamieHP: Mar 21 2012, 08:31 PM |
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Mar 21 2012, 08:25 PM) This one you only need to watch your distance. Once the truck is online. Quickly run and press the button. No need waste time shooting. I found Kai Leng easier than 4 banshees.Edit: Your choice for partners also matter imo. Bring partners who can lob grenades. James (frag grenade) or Javik (lift grenade). Can buy you some time to shoot while they flinch. Biotic combination also will do; Liara and Javik. Dark Channel + Warp = sexplosion. I brought these two. The Kai Leng part was hard because the tight room. In insanity enemy keep spamming grenades. One hit kill. The only reason I beat the 4 banshees is because I found an M-560 Hydra |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:27 AM
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Good read, it is essentially a very well detailed explanation of why the indoctrination theory is true.
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 21 2012, 05:22 PM) The Matrix and Spider-Man was alright to me. The endings fit what the movies were. Though maybe I should watch them again, I watched Matrix when I was a kid and last time it was all, "Explosion! Yay!" You're already comparing ME to Romeo and Juliet by talking up ME3's potential to be a brilliant literary masterpiece. I don't see why you can't patch book and movie endings. As mentioned earlier, George Lucas seems to enjoy patching his movies, who shot first Han or Greedo? Steven Spielberg replaced his fed's guns with mobile phones. Books can be interactive as well, in the 80s choose your own adventure type game books were all the rage, where if you didn't like the ending you made a different decision.The difference here is you are comparing movies to games. In games, the endings CAN be patched, they can be changed if the developers see a better way to end them. I can't say anything about Star Wars since I haven't watched the initial trilogy recently. And wtf Romeo & Juliet? ME3 was never a love story was it? I can't say I've read Romeo & Juliet so I can't give any more in-depth analysis of the story but seriously, comparing ME to Romeo & Juliet is just nonsense. And just to answer your initial statement, there is no expectation that ME3 would be a true masterpiece. The thing I said was that ME3 would be a masterpiece if the indoctrination theory were true. Please don't just read a single sentence and throw the rest of my post out the window. There was however an expectation of more than 1 ending with 3 slight differences between them. The developers have always said that the endings would weigh in all your choices from the previous games. That was why you were given the option to import your save files. If in the end, no matter what you did, you'd separate all the races of Mass Effect by destroying all the mass relays then what the hell was the entire of mass effect's plot for? Throughout the whole of ME3, you go uniting all the races. The Turians and the Krogans, the Quarians and the Geth. What was that for? Just to build an army strong enough to get on the crucible? Mass Effect was more than a war against the Reapers, it was Shepard's effect on the galaxy. This human race, an infant of galactic travel, uniting the races to bring about a common cause: Survival through any means. And if that means is the destruction of the Reapers then so be it. You know, there's a reason they let you unite the Geth and Quarian last. They want that choice to still be in your head when you make the choices at the ending. Knowing that you've united the Geth and Quarian before, why would you choose to destroy? You have single-handedly caused and experienced the unification of an organic and a synthetic race. That Shepard would not argue against the holographic synthetic God starchild is just nonsense. On the brink of death, a God appears before you and tells you that you can throw all you have accomplished away, control what you have sought to destroy and right after you just told TIM that you can't control them, you have to destroy them or unite all synthetic and organic life <- What Reapers have been doing, serving you plates of bio-synthetic death machines made from organics harvested throughout the galaxy. Sorry, I got sidetracked but to just accept the ending of Mass Effect is like you haven't played the previous games at all. People aren't pissed because they want this game to be god damn bloody brilliant, they are pissed because all of their actions in the games culminates in a select screen at the end. And initially, my post was to incite discussion on the indoctrination theory and suddenly some people take parts of my post out of context and start a pointless argument. Also, don't forget that if you don't import, you're forced to either lie to the krogan or you open the universe to a new era of krogan over population and tyranny, and you are forced to make the decision that causes the extinction of either the geth or the quarians. Why can't blowing everything to kingdom come be a viable alternative then? If you make all the right decisions and everyone's holding hands before the final battle, why can't control or synthesis be a suitable ending for people who wanted to make those decisions? You spend the whole game building the crucible with no idea what it does apart from the fact that it's a weapon. As shepard mentions, you're basically a kid with a loaded gun.. you don't learn anything more about the weapon until the end when the catalyst explains the purpose to you. You basically can't argue because you don't know any better. Why does it have to be a "godchild", can't it be a sophisticated VI that's in charge of running the citadel, or really just a "plot device" to move the story along? All their decisions from the previous 2 games culminated in the entire 3rd game. The third game is just one long end game of resolving outstanding storylines. Hey it's a happy ending for the galaxy as well. Irrespective of whether you strand people on alien planets and destroy all means of communication, the fact the stargazer and child are around means that ultimately it all worked out. QUOTE Good read, it is essentially a very well detailed explanation of why the indoctrination theory is true. Force feeding indoctrination theory as fact is no different from what the tin foil hat theorists are doing in this thread http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...hl=moon+landing To quote Dr. Ray Muzyka: QUOTE The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. I really believe that this is the reason we got the endings we got. Because bioware didn't know better. |
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Maybe something like "Aftermath" DLC.
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Mar 22 2012, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Mar 22 2012, 02:44 PM) ^ dafuq have you wondered how your 2 squadmates suddenly teleported back to Normandy at the end? |
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Mar 22 2012, 02:51 PM) have you wondered how your 2 squadmates suddenly teleported back to Normandy at the end? That explains so much |
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the same thing happened to me. I romanced Liara on ME3, and during the final battle I brought Liara and Garrus. I kinda regretted that decision cause I thought they were vaporized when Harbinger shot that laser at us...
... then at the final cutscene I was WTF!!?? when I saw both of them came out of Normandy unscathed. Traitors!! |
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Mar 22 2012, 02:51 PM) have you wondered how your 2 squadmates suddenly teleported back to Normandy at the end? Space magic. |
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B1ch please, Tali has better jigglypuffs
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 Just to add salt to the wound: http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086...ffect-3-endings QUOTE The Dark Energy was a force that was going to consume everything. According to Karpyshyn, "The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread." The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means." This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 22 2012, 07:39 PM |
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^ That explains why the writing is so crap in the third game.
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Yeah, I'm going to play ME1 again. Just to get a feel of the brilliance Bioware once was.
 Hawhawhaw http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=381 QUOTE First, let me say that Mass Effect has been universally recognized as a fantastic game, with a MetaCritic rating well over 90%. That hasn’t stopped people from complaining about the ending, though… and it really shouldn’t. If you played the game you are entitled to your opinion and you’re free to express it. I’ve also heard from plenty of people who like the ending; sometimes the folks who are happy are hard to hear over the cries of those who are dissatisfied. Now, I understand that fans are passionate about the series, and many of you want to discuss the ending, express your opinions and have intelligent discussions about what you’ve experienced.Since I won’t be able to give you my opinion for several months (please – stop Tweeting and e-mailing me to ask for it!), I figured the next best thing was to give you some interesting analysis from both sides of the spectrum. I really can't wait to see his opinions of the ending. Wow, I don't like how semicolon and 'o' becomes a yawn face not a surprise face.  This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 22 2012, 08:07 PM |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 22 2012, 07:52 PM) Yeah, I'm going to play ME1 again. Just to get a feel of the brilliance Bioware once was. Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect... good times Then it all went downhill |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 22 2012, 08:13 PM) Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect... good times Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Then it all went downhill Bioware created them also? Whats KOTOR? Conclusion its the change of writer that screw up the story of Mass Effect? |
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QUOTE(Jigoku @ Mar 22 2012, 08:49 PM) Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, KOTOR = The father of the Old Republic.Bioware created them also? Whats KOTOR? Conclusion its the change of writer that screw up the story of Mass Effect? It wouldn't be surprised if it did, there are like dozen different writers doing the storyboard for ME. Same thing like how they messed up Mass Effect: Deception. |
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 22 2012, 09:12 PM) KOTOR = The father of the Old Republic. Deception is messed up because Dietz can't write worth a damn.It wouldn't be surprised if it did, there are like dozen different writers doing the storyboard for ME. Same thing like how they messed up Mass Effect: Deception. |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 22 2012, 11:34 PM) Deception is messed up because Dietz can't write worth a damn. a.k.a drew karpyshyn didn't write it |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 22 2012, 11:34 PM) Deception is messed up because Dietz can't write worth a damn. Im more intrigued what was the lore consultant doing or if they even did any proof reading before finalizing the works for publication. The reason why I always oppose transacting a franchise to other parties to work with, which always ends up being retconned to suit their own convenience.As an example, Icarus Effect from DX: HR was pretty damn good because it was written by the very same author who did the storyboard for the game. This post has been edited by l337hunter: Mar 23 2012, 01:51 AM |
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QUOTE(l337hunter @ Mar 23 2012, 01:50 AM) Im more intrigued what was the lore consultant doing or if they even did any proof reading before finalizing the works for publication. The reason why I always oppose transacting a franchise to other parties to work with, which always ends up being retconned to suit their own convenience. If you believe the plot holes being pointed out in the books, it appears not even a cursory proof-reading was done.As an example, Icarus Effect from DX: HR was pretty damn good because it was written by the very same author who did the storyboard for the game. Plus. We have this.  |
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^ What the crap did i just saw?
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 23 2012, 09:38 AM) ^ What the crap did i just saw? 95% true. Is that what happen to that novel or its exaggerated? The Painstakingly Accurate Summary of Mass Effect: Deception, now in handy picture form. |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 23 2012, 09:56 AM) DAFUQ?*falls of the chair. |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 23 2012, 09:56 AM) And I was considering buying it the other day. Luckily I remembered I still have to finish two books. |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 22 2012, 08:13 PM) Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect... good times More like they went downhill after being bought over by EA. EA just wants to turn Bioware into $$$ for them and its indeed working for EA. Then it all went downhill |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 22 2012, 07:35 PM) Oh wow i didnt know Drew actually wrote those previous Mass Effects. I particularly enjoyed his novels, in particular the Darth Bane trilogy. The Revan novel is also somewhat decent. It's a pity he didnt take part in Me3. I notice his wiki page states he has retired from Bioware just last month, what a shame. But i guess we can look forward to his more quality independent works in the near future. |
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Mar 23 2012, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 23 2012, 11:06 AM) More like they went downhill after being bought over by EA. EA just wants to turn Bioware into $$$ for them and its indeed working for EA. If Bioware wants to continue to have the resources to make blockbusters, they need to align with a big publisher. Only Blizzard can afford to have the best of both worlds, even then their games and storylines are bland as sh1t. |
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Mar 23 2012, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 23 2012, 09:56 AM) demit, reading the comics make me lol too hard |
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Mar 24 2012, 05:01 PM
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Gold challenge anyone tonight? 24/3/2012
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Mar 26 2012, 09:41 AM
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this is nice read about how terrible the ending is from a writer's point of view.
http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/ |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:02 AM
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wah, still in bad ending topic? Arent dev already said gonna alter it?
Yeah, i know, it bad, I think the world know it by now, does it need keep repeated it? |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(Edison83 @ Mar 26 2012, 10:02 AM) wah, still in bad ending topic? Arent dev already said gonna alter it? The guy explains it in a different manner , he is using techniques of writing to explain why the ending fails , which I find it interesting. After all ME is a story.Yeah, i know, it bad, I think the world know it by now, does it need keep repeated it? Lets hope that EA does not say , 'lolz , we decided to fix the ending and you gotta pay $10 for the DLC' , which is likely |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 26 2012, 09:41 AM) this is nice read about how terrible the ending is from a writer's point of view. http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/  I was waiting for Dragon Ball fusion reference at this part. Hahahaha. But yes, this is absolutely brilliant. It's what everyone was essentially saying but with more facts and professionalism. |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:38 AM
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i love this part:
QUOTE Imagine Frodo, dangling the One Ring, over the fiery chasm of Mt. Doom. He turns, and says, “The Ring is Mine!” and slips the One Ring onto his finger. Suddenly he’s whisked into a universe contained inside the One Ring, an entire world trapped in the essence of the ring. He meets the Keeper of the Ring, an ethereal spirit who has dwelled within the ring since its creation and now Frodo must make the ultimate sacrifice. He has to become the ring, in order to destroy it. How many people in the theater, watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, would have stood up and said: “What the fu*k is this shit?” |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:56 AM
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Can't believe I just saw this. Dat jab at bioware at the end. xD |
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Mar 26 2012, 12:09 PM
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Yes, rEApers...
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Mar 26 2012, 05:32 PM
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Anyone saw Tali face in any chance?
She open her mask and look at the other direction........ |
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Mar 26 2012, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(Edison83 @ Mar 26 2012, 05:32 PM) Anyone saw Tali face in any chance? What a lot of people didn't know is that, during that part of the cinematic, you can actually turn your camera around to see Tali's face She open her mask and look at the other direction........ Go try it and see.  This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 26 2012, 05:42 PM |
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Mar 26 2012, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 26 2012, 12:09 PM) Yes, rEApers... And of course in the end they lost by choosing the Synthesis option. Sigh. |
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Mar 26 2012, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 26 2012, 09:41 AM) this is nice read about how terrible the ending is from a writer's point of view. This is good read, and pretty much explained whats wrong with the damn ending. http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/ It doesnt provide any resolution, instead, it asks even more questions. |
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Mar 26 2012, 07:41 PM
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have u guys read the leaked one that called Terminator ? Veryyyyyyy fckng
weird and ridiculous Mass Spirit ? What's that I don't even....read read read n found BW confirmed it was FAKE |
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Mar 26 2012, 08:48 PM
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http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10405204/1
Here are all the quotes that Bioware is promising that the ending will be complex, not a typical A,B and C sort. Look what happen. I think i shouldnt take EA as a whole seriously from now. Broken promises are everywhere. This is one is the biggest offender: "Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing" Since when this is true, as there are no way to get the best ending without that terrible multiplayer. And the side quests are even worse than anything else i can imagine. They are so boring and tedious to do. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 26 2012, 08:50 PM |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 26 2012, 08:48 PM) http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10405204/1 I stopped listening to them after the C&C Tiberian Twilight fiasco. What a disaster that was. An abomination. Here are all the quotes that Bioware is promising that the ending will be complex, not a typical A,B and C sort. Look what happen. I think i shouldnt take EA as a whole seriously from now. Broken promises are everywhere. This is one is the biggest offender: "Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing" Since when this is true, as there are no way to get the best ending without that terrible multiplayer. And the side quests are even worse than anything else i can imagine. They are so boring and tedious to do. |
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Mar 26 2012, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 26 2012, 10:39 PM) I stopped listening to them after the C&C Tiberian Twilight fiasco. What a disaster that was. An abomination. Don't remind me of that game. |
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Mar 26 2012, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 26 2012, 10:39 PM) I stopped listening to them after the C&C Tiberian Twilight fiasco. What a disaster that was. An abomination. Tiberium Twilight is destined to fail.I pretty much stopped listening to them after Dragon Age 2. And Mass Effect 3 was the last straw. EA is the company to avoid now. So many lies. |
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Mar 26 2012, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 26 2012, 10:39 PM) I stopped listening to them after the C&C Tiberian Twilight fiasco. What a disaster that was. An abomination. Tiberian Twilight was never made. Just like Sim City Societies. |
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Mar 27 2012, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 26 2012, 11:32 PM) Tiberium Twilight is destined to fail. And yet you and I bought Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition. What the fark happened? We were indoctrinated godamnit. I pretty much stopped listening to them after Dragon Age 2. And Mass Effect 3 was the last straw. EA is the company to avoid now. So many lies. QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 26 2012, 11:51 PM) Tiberian Twilight was never made. Yes, just like that silly game called Fallout 3. It doesn't exist as well! Just like Sim City Societies. |
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Mar 27 2012, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 26 2012, 11:51 PM) Tiberian Twilight was never made. Just like Mass Effect 3 too. Just like Sim City Societies. |
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Mar 27 2012, 03:47 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 12:08 AM) Just like Mass Effect 3 too. Only the ending was horrible okay. Unlike Tiberium Twilight. That game was downright horrible. |
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Mar 27 2012, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 27 2012, 03:47 AM) Only the ending was horrible okay. Unlike Tiberium Twilight. That game was downright horrible. Mass Effect 3 is pretty horrible as a whole for me. The single player is too short and too grindy in the side quests. The forced but boring multiplayer. Stupid EMS system. Boring characters and little conversation choices. The whole game feels so dumbed down.Feels like Mass Effect 3 is made for everyone, including those trigger happy MP only people, but they have compromised the single player's quality at the same time. Added on March 27, 2012, 9:34 am I think this is my official ending. The fan made ending is far far better than original. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 27 2012, 09:34 AM |
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Mar 27 2012, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 09:15 AM) Mass Effect 3 is pretty horrible as a whole for me. The single player is too short and too grindy in the side quests. The forced but boring multiplayer. Stupid EMS system. Boring characters and little conversation choices. The whole game feels so dumbed down. Nice. Feels like Mass Effect 3 is made for everyone, including those trigger happy MP only people, but they have compromised the single player's quality at the same time. I think this is my official ending. The fan made ending is far far better than original. Off-topic: I picked up Dragon Age: Origins again after almost two years, and I still get a lot of surprises from time to time, things I never saw in my first playthrough (I was very thorough). In first playthrough, I played as a female warden. Although the game did end on a happy note, there were a few regrets. I never bedded any of my companions. Alistair rejected my love after I forced him to be king against his own will in the landsmeet, afterwhich he became a wandering drunkard and Anora became queen, was forced to kill Zevran after he betrayed me and basically a lot of this and that which didn't work out to my plan because of low coercion/cunning. Right now, I am playing a male warden, and I am loving it. I am in a relationship with Morrigan, Leliana and Zevran, have bedded the first two (I wouldn't want to bed Zevran even if I had the option to) and I really hope to make Alistair king in the landsmeet soon... ... after listening to Queen Anora's cringeworthy BE-FORE USS speech, Alistair seems to be the better choice » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Alistair is just too cool to be king. Sigh... Dragon Age: Origins was probably, the last masterpiece from Bioware, to date This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 27 2012, 12:03 PM |
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Mar 27 2012, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 09:15 AM) Mass Effect 3 is pretty horrible as a whole for me. The single player is too short and too grindy in the side quests. The forced but boring multiplayer. Stupid EMS system. Boring characters and little conversation choices. The whole game feels so dumbed down. Well, Bioware's games have always been very linear for the sake of telling a good story. KOTOR and BG2 are good examples. However, in the past, their games have featured rich conversations with a myriad of dialogue options, charming characters and spectacular side quests that occasionally branches out into something bigger. Feels like Mass Effect 3 is made for everyone, including those trigger happy MP only people, but they have compromised the single player's quality at the same time. Added on March 27, 2012, 9:34 am I think this is my official ending. The fan made ending is far far better than original. Unfortunately, in their pursuit to make the game more accessible to the masses, they decided to simplify most of the things that made their past games great. So now it's more like go to planet X and kill A or go to planet Y and scan for item B. And it goes on, over and over again. Most of ME3's conversations are also very straightforward, it seemed the writers got very lazy and just decided they wanted to conclude the story ASAP so conversations are a one way street. |
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Mar 27 2012, 12:17 PM
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i agree how the conversations tree in ME3 are less varied from it's predecessor.
however, the consequences of your choices are more elaborate this time--betraying the krogan for example was gut wrenching. so i dun see that how less choice this time around affect much. then again there's the ending which is a whole another story. |
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Mar 27 2012, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 27 2012, 11:56 AM) Well, Bioware's games have always been very linear for the sake of telling a good story. KOTOR and BG2 are good examples. However, in the past, their games have featured rich conversations with a myriad of dialogue options, charming characters and spectacular side quests that occasionally branches out into something bigger. Can't fault them as each change is an attempt to address fan feedback - example: Mako exploration removed with resource mining planet scanning to take it's place; further dumbed down in ME3. As well as trying to make it more like 'Halo' and 'Gears of War' (which is actually part of Casey Hudson's vision as per the 'final hours of mass effect' supplement). Unfortunately, in their pursuit to make the game more accessible to the masses, they decided to simplify most of the things that made their past games great. So now it's more like go to planet X and kill A or go to planet Y and scan for item B. And it goes on, over and over again. Most of ME3's conversations are also very straightforward, it seemed the writers got very lazy and just decided they wanted to conclude the story ASAP so conversations are a one way street. I haven't finished BG2 and KOTOR so am unable to grasp the supposed 'decline in quality as some are able to express.. but having finished ME3 a few days ago with an imported ME1/ME2 Shep, my reaction is mixed. From the 'final hours', it seems the final game has been watered down from what they wanted to achieve (ie: multiplayer integration was more ambitious than the final product) due to: (as usual) time and money. The ending, if taken out of context of the ME lore, is interesting, falling short of brilliance due to its rushed execution. The aim to retain some mystery (quoting mac walters - 'Lots of speculation') is achieved but at the cost of a satisfactory conclusion. I'm fine with cliffhangers that point to a possible tangent into a new game series - it could've been done with a little more refinement and less controversy (probably another year for this). The horribly tacky parting words of comfort that Shepard is now a legend + the enticement to buy DLC could have been less blunt and worded better - and maybe not displayed in the cheap datapad window.. my only gripe with ME3. I thought it was a prank when i saw the screenshot here some 3 weeks ago.. And the game stayed at the black screen after i click 'ok' - anyone encounter this? (PC version) |
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Mar 27 2012, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 27 2012, 11:56 AM) Well, Bioware's games have always been very linear for the sake of telling a good story. KOTOR and BG2 are good examples. However, in the past, their games have featured rich conversations with a myriad of dialogue options, charming characters and spectacular side quests that occasionally branches out into something bigger. Thats one of my problems with ME3. Even the failure, DA2 have a fair amount of conversation choices than ME3, despite the characters are not as interesting. ME3, on the other hand, it's even worse as the game feels like a call of duty campaign. With a terrible MP stuck to it. I have no idea whats Bioware smoking. Seriously, you do not need multiplayer to make a memorable game.Unfortunately, in their pursuit to make the game more accessible to the masses, they decided to simplify most of the things that made their past games great. So now it's more like go to planet X and kill A or go to planet Y and scan for item B. And it goes on, over and over again. Most of ME3's conversations are also very straightforward, it seemed the writers got very lazy and just decided they wanted to conclude the story ASAP so conversations are a one way street. I am not expecting much, other than, a good story to wrap up a trilogy. Instead, i get this clustercrap that doesnt make sense at all. Apparently, the terrible ending happened because Casey Hudson and the lead writer wrote the ending in secrecy, without any input from other writers from the team. The other writers pretty much stopped contributing after the saying goodbyes to each members, and the story goes down hill after that. Apparently, the team writers arent happy with the ending too, but forced to keep quiet about it. If Elder Scrolls end up with a multiplayer game or MMO, i'll rage too. Why is well made single player games getting lesser? Or they are just assuming everyone has stable internet connection to play multiplayer these days. QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 27 2012, 12:17 PM) i agree how the conversations tree in ME3 are less varied from it's predecessor. Less conversation choices means less attachment to the crew, which was an important part of a Bioware game, where they usually feature interesting and well developed characters. Witcher is also another game with much heavier consequences, did they gib the conservations?however, the consequences of your choices are more elaborate this time--betraying the krogan for example was gut wrenching. so i dun see that how less choice this time around affect much. then again there's the ending which is a whole another story. I dont even care about James Vega even after finishing the game because he talked so little in the game, compared to any characters in other 2 Mass Effect games. Seriously, why is James Vega in the game too? He is as generic as Soap or Dusty or Miller from any modern shooters. Change him to another angry Krogan or a Batarian is far better than a generic human. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 27 2012, 12:52 PM |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 12:47 PM) Thats one of my problems with ME3. Even the failure, DA2 have a fair amount of conversation choices than ME3, despite the characters are not as interesting. ME3, on the other hand, it's even worse as the game feels like a call of duty campaign. With a terrible MP stuck to it. I have no idea whats Bioware smoking. Seriously, you do not need multiplayer to make a memorable game. Diana Allers says hi rofl I am not expecting much, other than, a good story to wrap up a trilogy. Instead, i get this clustercrap that doesnt make sense at all. Apparently, the terrible ending happened because Casey Hudson and the lead writer wrote the ending in secrecy, without any input from other writers from the team. The other writers pretty much stopped contributing after the saying goodbyes to each members, and the story goes down hill after that. Apparently, the team writers arent happy with the ending too, but forced to keep quiet about it. If Elder Scrolls end up with a multiplayer game or MMO, i'll rage too. Why is well made single player games getting lesser? Or they are just assuming everyone has stable internet connection to play multiplayer these days. Less conversation choices means less attachment to the crew, which was an important part of a Bioware game, where they usually feature interesting and well developed characters. Witcher is also another game with much heavier consequences, did they gib the conservations? I dont even care about James Vega even after finishing the game because he talked so little in the game, compared to any characters in other 2 Mass Effect games. Seriously, why is James Vega in the game too? He is as generic as Soap or Dusty or Miller from any modern shooters. Change him to another angry Krogan or a Batarian is far better than a generic human. This post has been edited by gaeria84: Mar 27 2012, 12:55 PM |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 27 2012, 12:55 PM) Diana Allers says hi rofl Who's that? Oh wait, that girl who got stuck somewhere in the Normandy. |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 27 2012, 12:55 PM) Diana Allers says hi rofl Chobot says hi. (Seriously going to kick her off my ship once I get the game.) |
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Mar 27 2012, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 27 2012, 02:03 PM) Chobot says hi. Noo, she's a war asset! (Seriously going to kick her off my ship once I get the game.) |
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 27 2012, 02:03 PM) Chobot says hi. Well, she's still a decent war asset. Dont kick her off. Just ignore her existence. (Seriously going to kick her off my ship once I get the game.) |
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http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effec...10556502-1.html
QUOTE for those who haven't bought it: The Stargazer scene concept was taken from a seventh grade student from Berlin who sent a letter to Casey Hudson. The boy stated that "It would be cool if Shepard had a child and this child was roaming around a cave and found a prophecy and knew what to do about it because he's Shepard's son." Casey Hudson stitched that letter to his office door as a reminder that everybody should get at least, one piece of the ending which was the same for every player. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mac Walters explains that "there's things of the story you don't need to know because they will always be less cool that what you had imagined for them" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Sheen's dialogue was delayed from August to mid-november because Bioware was still "experimenting different endings" "It had to be the end of Commander Shepards saga but there was still debate as wether he should die or not" how the mighty has fallen Also German kid responsible for shitty ending And yeah DA:O was the last good game made by bioware to the point I willing to tolerate "HELP ME STRANGER CLEANSE THE KEEP BUT NEED TO BUY DLC FIRST" This post has been edited by bobohead1988: Mar 27 2012, 04:14 PM |
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 27 2012, 04:12 PM) http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effec...10556502-1.html how the mighty has fallen Also German kid responsible for shitty ending And yeah DA:O was the last good game made by bioware to the point I willing to tolerate "HELP ME STRANGER CLEANSE THE KEEP BUT NEED TO BUY DLC FIRST"  What.The.Fish? They rather listen to a german kid than getting input from the other writers. Congrats Bioware, you are the EPIC troll of the year. Might as well just get rid of all the cinematic at the end and just put a troll face picture of Casey Hudson.At least they were successful of evoking emotions, such as: angry, disappointment and so on. Mass Effect 2 was the last good Bioware game. The rest after that, are shit. Good luck with that C&C game with the tarnished Bioware name. brb, im going away to face palm myself. Just spend so much money for a game with an ending written by 12 years old. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 27 2012, 04:37 PM |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 04:27 PM) What.The.Fish? They rather listen to a german kid than getting input from the other writers. Congrats Bioware, you are the EPIC troll of the year. DA:O was the last good Bioware game. The rest after that, are shit. Good luck with that C&C game with the tarnished Bioware name. |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 12:47 PM) Thats one of my problems with ME3. Even the failure, DA2 have a fair amount of conversation choices than ME3, despite the characters are not as interesting. ME3, on the other hand, it's even worse as the game feels like a call of duty campaign. With a terrible MP stuck to it. I have no idea whats Bioware smoking. Seriously, you do not need multiplayer to make a memorable game. Its like binary domain (gears of war +conversation). Conversations options are either A or BQUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 12:47 PM) I am not expecting much, other than, a good story to wrap up a trilogy. Instead, i get this clustercrap that doesnt make sense at all. well, possible fan theory is that shepard has been indoctrinated so all the ending is just a illusion created by the reaper. Tada.. ME4 out 2013 another $70+ plz. Added on March 27, 2012, 5:39 pm QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 03:50 PM) Well, she's still a decent war asset. Dont kick her off. Just ignore her existence. well, bioware is considerate enough to keep her in the storage room next to the trash disposal airlock. Feel free to use it anytimeThis post has been edited by y3ivan: Mar 27 2012, 05:39 PM |
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QUOTE(reehdus @ Mar 27 2012, 04:37 PM) Fixed For me, ME2 was the last good Bioware game. I know it has less RPG, but in exchange for better squad mates and better combat. I think it was worth it.QUOTE(y3ivan @ Mar 27 2012, 05:35 PM) Its like binary domain (gears of war +conversation). Conversations options are either A or B The first 2 mass effect was not just A or B, as most of the time, there are options to investigate further or given a choice for a more neutral respond. In ME3, its mostly yes or no and thats it without any other choices given.I am not playing GoW with a bit conversations. |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 03:40 PM) Who cried when Mordin died? I know I did I cried too... I like Mordin.. |
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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Mar 27 2012, 05:35 PM) well, bioware is considerate enough to keep her in the storage room next to the trash disposal airlock. Feel free to use it anytime If only there is a choice to toss her out of the air lock... |
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Something I made out of boredom... |
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Why now we get only like 5 teammates, whereas ME2 we get dam alot? I wan Grunt, Kasumi and Mordin wif me. OH! and Jack too. She makes me jizz...
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QUOTE(hvk13 @ Mar 27 2012, 05:49 PM) Why now we get only like 5 teammates, whereas ME2 we get dam alot? I wan Grunt, Kasumi and Mordin wif me. OH! and Jack too. She makes me jizz... clue: DLC |
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QUOTE(hvk13 @ Mar 27 2012, 05:49 PM) Why now we get only like 5 teammates, whereas ME2 we get dam alot? I wan Grunt, Kasumi and Mordin wif me. OH! and Jack too. She makes me jizz... more deeper relationship n conversations as BW said.....actually if they really wanna finish this trilogy, they need to put everything. but...feels like BW somehow cut from game.. yeah, DLC is the answer... This post has been edited by megnamon: Mar 27 2012, 06:31 PM |
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Mar 27 2012, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 27 2012, 06:30 PM) more deeper relationship n conversations as BW said.....actually if they really wanna finish this trilogy, they need to put everything. but...feels like BW somehow cut from game.. And that didnt work at all.yeah, DLC is the answer... I ddint care about them even more than previous games cause there are so little conversations. Sounds like the same lies as the ending will not be a simple choice of A, B and C. |
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Mar 27 2012, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 27 2012, 06:47 PM) And that didnt work at all. Needs more investigate options. I ddint care about them even more than previous games cause there are so little conversations. Sounds like the same lies as the ending will not be a simple choice of A, B and C. |
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Mar 27 2012, 06:54 PM
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they solved it with auto dialogue....yeahhh totally 'deep' conversations
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Mar 27 2012, 07:55 PM
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Pressure from EA to release the game ASAP.
They already delayed once, EA's not gonna let them delay again. The sad part about all this is in the end only EA wins. If the indoctrination theory were true and Bioware releases it, then there won't be responses of that's brilliant or that's amazing. It'll just be, "Yeah, we knew that all along." ME3 would be the game that could have been but did not become. |
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Mar 27 2012, 08:43 PM
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damn I had more fun and contentment playing me2
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Mar 28 2012, 02:17 AM
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Mar 28 2012, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 28 2012, 02:17 AM) And omg, hahaha holy shit this is funny. xD This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 28 2012, 03:07 AM |
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Mar 28 2012, 09:38 AM
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kotaku.com/5896847/gamers-send-bioware-400-cupcakes
A bunch of gamers decided to send Bioware 402 cupcakes with same flavour but different colour. Just to tell them the ending sucks. That cost over $1000. More here: http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/Mas...10635792-1.html I have nothing to say... |
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Mar 28 2012, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 28 2012, 09:38 AM) kotaku.com/5896847/gamers-send-bioware-400-cupcakes They should make a cupcake that taste ok and after you finish the last bite you're gonna have the most intense diarrhea for 10 minutes and feel shitty for the rest of the dayA bunch of gamers decided to send Bioware 402 cupcakes with same flavour but different colour. Just to tell them the ending sucks. That cost over $1000. More here: http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/Mas...10635792-1.html I have nothing to say... |
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Mar 28 2012, 11:51 AM
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 Oh, and apparently the cupcakes are pretty darn good. http://splodinator.com/just-how-good-are-t...aded-to-bioware This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 28 2012, 12:06 PM |
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Mar 28 2012, 12:34 PM
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Free cupcakes for the people who screwed up the endings. Outrageous.
Bioware are aware of their transgressions and they hardly care. You can send them a million cupcakes, they still wouldn't give a shit. |
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Mar 28 2012, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 28 2012, 12:34 PM) Free cupcakes for the people who screwed up the endings. Outrageous. its a protest in the form of cupcakes with different colors. (just like the ending)Bioware are aware of their transgressions and they hardly care. You can send them a million cupcakes, they still wouldn't give a shit. |
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Mar 28 2012, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Mar 28 2012, 12:41 PM) its a protest in the form of cupcakes with different colors. (just like the ending) Yeah I know. But I don't think Bioware is gonna change their attitude towards making better games in the future.If they (the fans) did that just to nudge Bioware to make a decent "ending DLC" for closure, I'd say they are the biggest fools alive and have just been indoctrinated by EA's money-grabbing business model. Just watch the fan made endings and be done with it. An "ending DLC" will provide more justifications for other company's to follow suit in the future. This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 28 2012, 12:58 PM |
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Mar 28 2012, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 26 2012, 12:09 PM) Yes, rEApers... Repost, because relevant picture is relevant. |
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Mar 28 2012, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 28 2012, 12:53 PM) Just watch the fan made endings and be done with it. An "ending DLC" will provide more justifications for other company's to follow suit in the future. too late. Bethesda did it first with Fallout 3 Broken Steel, Ubisoft did it with PoP Epilogue, Square-Enix did it with FFXIII-2, Capcom did it with Asura's Wrath, etc.at least this ME3 ending is something that fans actually want...or rather, need to move on from bioware. This post has been edited by ray148: Mar 28 2012, 01:52 PM |
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Mar 28 2012, 02:34 PM
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in dillemma to play again or not...just
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Mar 28 2012, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 28 2012, 01:52 PM) too late. Bethesda did it first with Fallout 3 Broken Steel, Ubisoft did it with PoP Epilogue, Square-Enix did it with FFXIII-2, Capcom did it with Asura's Wrath, etc. I stand corrected. at least this ME3 ending is something that fans actually want...or rather, need to move on from bioware. I still see making an ending DLC as something really outrageous. The fans are literally paying for Bioware's mistakes. OK, sorry we screwed up the ending. Here, pay X amount and get a better ending hahaha. Thank you for your patronage....suckas!! |
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 28 2012, 02:53 PM) I stand corrected. I still see making an ending DLC as something really outrageous. The fans are literally paying for Bioware's mistakes. OK, sorry we screwed up the ending. Here, pay X amount and get a better ending hahaha. Thank you for your patronage....suckas!!  Need to make new column Pizza is $59.99 but after you ate it you found out the topping is rotten You can get another topping for $15 says the company |
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Mar 28 2012, 04:39 PM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/...ible-consumers/
I think this is a nice article that talks about why should ME fans be angry about the ending? They should as they arent getting what is promised, an ending that do not toss even more questions. Added on March 28, 2012, 4:41 pm QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 28 2012, 03:59 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Need to make new column Pizza is $59.99 but after you ate it you found out the topping is rotten You can get another topping for $15 says the company Let me rephrase it. Its more like a rather tasteless pizza that you have, where at the very last piece, the pizza taste like shit. So, naturally, you demanded a resolution to this problem, and the restaurant demand you to pay $10 for a new bite of the pizza. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 28 2012, 05:36 PM |
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Mar 28 2012, 06:13 PM
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The Citadel Godchild: Yo dawg, I heard that the Synthetics gonna always rebel against their organics creators so I made the synthetic reaper to harvest all the organics so that you don't die to the synthetics you made!
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Mar 28 2012, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Mar 28 2012, 06:13 PM) The Citadel Godchild: Yo dawg, I heard that the Synthetics gonna always rebel against their organics creators so I made the synthetic reaper to harvest all the organics so that you don't die to the synthetics you made! that master AI child very stupid...create synthetic...to harvest organic so synthetic created by organic being won't kill them.... now, Master AI create synthetic -> Reaper Organic being create synthetic -> Geths and so on Reaper harvest Organic beings -> to avoid synthetic created by organic rebel against them So.... Reaper = Synthetic -> kill and harvest organic = there is no cycle actually they didn't realize they also synthetic....its me or really really really plain stupid cycles thought by Master AI ? if you guys understand what I trying to explain....errrr  |
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Mar 28 2012, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 28 2012, 06:26 PM) that master AI child very stupid...create synthetic...to harvest organic so synthetic created by organic being won't kill them.... You're trying to explain bad writing. now, Master AI create synthetic -> Reaper Organic being create synthetic -> Geths and so on Reaper harvest Organic beings -> to avoid synthetic created by organic rebel against them So.... Reaper = Synthetic -> kill and harvest organic = there is no cycle actually they didn't realize they also synthetic....its me or really really really plain stupid cycles thought by Master AI ? if you guys understand what I trying to explain....errrr Ergo, it is just bad. |
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Mar 28 2012, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 28 2012, 03:59 PM) Need to make new column Pizza is $59.99 but after you ate it you found out the topping is rotten You can get another topping for $15 says the company |
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Mar 28 2012, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Mar 28 2012, 07:50 PM) Hey starcraft 2 has been doing this. 10 years in development, just Wings of Liberty ? |
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 28 2012, 09:47 PM) 10 years in development, just Wings of Liberty ? Wings of Liberty was a very good game. Didn't really mind they broke the game into 3 expansions.Wings of Liberty > Heart of the Swarm > Legacy of the Void Terran + Protoss + Zerg = Organics Xel'naga = Reapers I hope they have an EPIC space battle like ME3 at the end of legacy of the void |
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Mar 28 2012, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Mar 28 2012, 12:53 PM) Yeah I know. But I don't think Bioware is gonna change their attitude towards making better games in the future. so the future of gaming is depended on DLCs. Good lord, i better start finding a new hobby.If they (the fans) did that just to nudge Bioware to make a decent "ending DLC" for closure, I'd say they are the biggest fools alive and have just been indoctrinated by EA's money-grabbing business model. Just watch the fan made endings and be done with it. An "ending DLC" will provide more justifications for other company's to follow suit in the future. |
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Mar 28 2012, 11:08 PM
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anyone can tell me the name of the music played during installation process? There are 3 musics I know 2 of them are spectre induction and suicide mission. What is the last one?
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Mar 28 2012, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Mar 28 2012, 10:27 PM) so the future of gaming is depended on DLCs. Good lord, i better start finding a new hobby. not necessarily - the future of gaming may be - gamer funded projects - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/postud...a-reed-thriller |
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Mar 28 2012, 11:36 PM) not necessarily - the future of gaming may be - gamer funded projects - Not happening lol. With games on a massive scale like Mass Effect and the likes, it will cost way more to develop than the measly 5 digit kickstarters you see now. Kickstarters will work with indie games but not with AAA games. Furthermore, ever considered what would happen if an unethical developer starts using kickstarter? Yeah...http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/postud...a-reed-thriller After all, businesses are profit-motivated. As long as a plan works, they'll keep doing it. They keep pushing DLCs because they are getting more profits from doing it. You have to give them a reason to stop doing it otherwise it will go on and it will get worse. |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 29 2012, 12:59 AM) Not happening lol. With games on a massive scale like Mass Effect and the likes, it will cost way more to develop than the measly 5 digit kickstarters you see now. Kickstarters will work with indie games but not with AAA games. Furthermore, ever considered what would happen if an unethical developer starts using kickstarter? Yeah... what do u mean not working?After all, businesses are profit-motivated. As long as a plan works, they'll keep doing it. They keep pushing DLCs because they are getting more profits from doing it. You have to give them a reason to stop doing it otherwise it will go on and it will get worse. Wasteland 2 collected over 1.5M dollars in funding already backed by so many major industry icons... in case u dunno, wasteland was the main inspiration between games like the fallout series... the start of kickstarter basically means the end for the need of a publisher thus giving the developers full control over the game... Added on March 29, 2012, 1:12 am^ added source for wasteland 2 http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/wastelan...coming-to-os-x/ Added on March 29, 2012, 1:25 amAsura's wrath having ending DLC lolx http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/122180..._source=twitter This post has been edited by evofantasy: Mar 29 2012, 01:25 AM |
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Mar 29 2012, 01:11 AM) what do u mean not working? Welp, I stand corrected. Never heard of Wasteland 2. And Double Fine at 3million too. I'm really impressed. But I don't think this can last in the long run. As Kickstarter becomes more popular and people start donating more, we all essentially become investors and in the end there will be very little post-production profit. As in, everyone who wants the game will donate to get the game. Then very little people will actually buy it once it's released. I can see new companies using this to get started but I don't see how it can work in the long run.Wasteland 2 collected over 1.5M dollars in funding already backed by so many major industry icons... in case u dunno, wasteland was the main inspiration between games like the fallout series... the start of kickstarter basically means the end for the need of a publisher thus giving the developers full control over the game... Added on March 29, 2012, 1:12 am^ added source for wasteland 2 http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/wastelan...coming-to-os-x/ Added on March 29, 2012, 1:25 amAsura's wrath having ending DLC lolx http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/122180..._source=twitter Also, relevant. |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 29 2012, 01:30 AM) Welp, I stand corrected. Never heard of Wasteland 2. And Double Fine at 3million too. I'm really impressed. But I don't think this can last in the long run. As Kickstarter becomes more popular and people start donating more, we all essentially become investors and in the end there will be very little post-production profit. As in, everyone who wants the game will donate to get the game. Then very little people will actually buy it once it's released. I can see new companies using this to get started but I don't see how it can work in the long run. These are well respected titles by established developers... If u are an old school gamer, u would identify most of them. Even Razer (Min Liang) donated to Wasteland 2's project... Publishers do get a big cut of earnings, thus removing publishers totally from whole business concept is a win-win for both the developers and gamers... as for buying the game, if u are a great fan of a series which wants a sequel or something, you will definitely get it... and prices will be lower than having publishers into the equation as well don't you think so?» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Also, relevant. Still waiting for the sequel to Planescape to be kickstarted if the guy is interested... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Mar 29 2012, 01:55 AM |
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Mar 29 2012, 01:54 AM) These are well respected titles by established developers... If u are an old school gamer, u would identify most of them. Even Razer (Min Liang) donated to Wasteland 2's project... Publishers do get a big cut of earnings, thus removing publishers totally from whole business concept is a win-win for both the developers and gamers... as for buying the game, if u are a great fan of a series which wants a sequel or something, you will definitely get it... and prices will be lower than having publishers into the equation as well don't you think so? Well that's exactly the point I'm trying to make, people who know them will donate and get the game for free once it releases. People who are interested will donate and get the game for free once it releases. The problem I'm seeing here is once it actually releases there won't be many people left who'd want to buy it since those who wanted it would've already donated and hence there's a total lack of post-production revenue. And companies that use Kickstarter to start up projects would rely on word of mouth to get donations. So, essentially everyone interested in the game would donate and those who already have the game probably wouldn't buy it again once it releases right? I really can't fathom how this will work in the long run. :\ Idk, only time will tell.Still waiting for the sequel to Planescape to be kickstarted if the guy is interested... |
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 28 2012, 09:55 PM) Wings of Liberty was a very good game. Didn't really mind they broke the game into 3 expansions. Blizzard have pretty much split the campaign to 3 games, not the multiplayer. I dont see whats wrong with it. And there arent any post release $15 DLCs.Wings of Liberty > Heart of the Swarm > Legacy of the Void Terran + Protoss + Zerg = Organics Xel'naga = Reapers I hope they have an EPIC space battle like ME3 at the end of legacy of the void QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 29 2012, 12:59 AM) Not happening lol. With games on a massive scale like Mass Effect and the likes, it will cost way more to develop than the measly 5 digit kickstarters you see now. Kickstarters will work with indie games but not with AAA games. Furthermore, ever considered what would happen if an unethical developer starts using kickstarter? Yeah... I dont really like the idea of kickstarter as people will have this "entitlement" mentality where they have paid for the game and the game has to be in a desirable way to them. If the game turn out to something else, like Double Fine's new game is not exactly a traditional point and click adventure game. People will be pissed at Double Fine. It's pretty much a dangerous route to take, especially you have other people's money before the project starts.After all, businesses are profit-motivated. As long as a plan works, they'll keep doing it. They keep pushing DLCs because they are getting more profits from doing it. You have to give them a reason to stop doing it otherwise it will go on and it will get worse. I am in the Project CARS pre-alpha, where i paid 10 Euro to be a member on the team, where i can post suggestions and such. On the massive team, people has been suggesting wildly different ideas. Some wants the game closer to GT5 or Forza 4, while some wants it to be something like rFactor. It sort of feels like crowd sourcing doesnt really work in practise as everyone has a different idea on how the game should be. Still, i do not really have a firm idea on how kickstarter works, as does donators have any influence on the game? If they dont, it might be a lot better but the entitlement problem pops up again. On the money they have collected, i think it might be enough for an indie game, as indie games like Bastion took 2 million plus to build, while Sins of Solar Empire took 800k. For a triple A game, i doubt thats enough, as even recycled content game like CoD needs about 40 million while games like Witcher 2 or Mass Effect 3 will require even more money. I think Double Fine did say Psychonaunts 2 needs about 10 to 14 million to develop. Still i would want to see a kickstarter project to revive Freespace 3 or Freelancer 2. I'll pay for that, if they are doing an action based space shooting game, not something like X3 where its just too difficult to play. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 29 2012, 09:38 AM |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 29 2012, 09:34 AM) I dont really like the idea of kickstarter as people will have this "entitlement" mentality where they have paid for the game and the game has to be in a desirable way to them. If the game turn out to something else, like Double Fine's new game is not exactly a traditional point and click adventure game. People will be pissed at Double Fine. It's pretty much a dangerous route to take, especially you have other people's money before the project starts. Kickstarter is simply a website for companies/individuals to hold donation drives for whatever they want. The companies/individuals most likely will have different reward tiers depending on how much you donate, like for Auditorium: Duet, I donated 30USD so I'm getting a shirt and the game.I am in the Project CARS pre-alpha, where i paid 10 Euro to be a member on the team, where i can post suggestions and such. On the massive team, people has been suggesting wildly different ideas. Some wants the game closer to GT5 or Forza 4, while some wants it to be something like rFactor. It sort of feels like crowd sourcing doesnt really work in practise as everyone has a different idea on how the game should be. Still, i do not really have a firm idea on how kickstarter works, as does donators have any influence on the game? If they dont, it might be a lot better but the entitlement problem pops up again. On the money they have collected, i think it might be enough for an indie game, as indie games like Bastion took 2 million plus to build, while Sins of Solar Empire took 800k. For a triple A game, i doubt thats enough, as even recycled content game like CoD needs about 40 million while games like Witcher 2 or Mass Effect 3 will require even more money. I think Double Fine did say Psychonaunts 2 needs about 10 to 14 million to develop. Still i would want to see a kickstarter project to revive Freespace 3 or Freelancer 2. I'll pay for that, if they are doing an action based space shooting game, not something like X3 where its just too difficult to play. |
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Mar 29 2012, 01:11 AM) what do u mean not working? A triple AAA game costs millions of dollars to produce. Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty costed USD 100 million to produce.Wasteland 2 collected over 1.5M dollars in funding already backed by so many major industry icons... in case u dunno, wasteland was the main inspiration between games like the fallout series... the start of kickstarter basically means the end for the need of a publisher thus giving the developers full control over the game... Added on March 29, 2012, 1:12 am^ added source for wasteland 2 http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/wastelan...coming-to-os-x/ Added on March 29, 2012, 1:25 amAsura's wrath having ending DLC lolx http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/122180..._source=twitter |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 29 2012, 04:36 AM) Well that's exactly the point I'm trying to make, people who know them will donate and get the game for free once it releases. People who are interested will donate and get the game for free once it releases. The problem I'm seeing here is once it actually releases there won't be many people left who'd want to buy it since those who wanted it would've already donated and hence there's a total lack of post-production revenue. And companies that use Kickstarter to start up projects would rely on word of mouth to get donations. So, essentially everyone interested in the game would donate and those who already have the game probably wouldn't buy it again once it releases right? I really can't fathom how this will work in the long run. :\ Idk, only time will tell. The final ideas still rest with the developers after all or at least from Wasteland2's development, it seemed tat way with setting milestones based on the amount they get...Spreading through the word of mouth is really acceptable in the current age of web 2.0 which we are in... In fact, it may be the best form of advertising now... You do have a point with people not buying the game when it is out but I think when they propose the idea, I am sure they have already factor in some profit? At times, you can see loads of developers which does it for their passion and was just not having enough funds to make it into a reality... How often do we read publishers like EA/ Activision ruining contents just for profit and even against the will of the developers? Life is more than just making profit especially after watching the video interviews with most of the top guns game designers... But yeah, time will tell... ATM, the Wasteland2 project look to be kicking really well... QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:50 AM) A triple AAA game costs millions of dollars to produce. Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty costed USD 100 million to produce. The development period of SC2 was too long which sorta increase the price... They even remade the game engine at one point... Engines could just be reused or licensed from available engines... Games shouldn't cost that much as well if u factor out the amount it cost for all those flashy cutscenes/ graphics... Good games will be good even in 32bit graphics like all of the older games out there... And I think a big amount also goes to the publisher for the management and publicity?If they say that all they need is 900k to make a good game with an impressive portfolio of success in the past, it isnt a big issue i feel to support them |
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Just finish replay on ME1
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I dont think using Blizzard as an example for the high cost of a AAA game is a bad example. All their games took years to develop, while most other AAA games release annually or bi-annually.
I remember Diablo 3 was almost completed in 2005, but when Blizzard North left, Blizzard decided to scrap everything and restart again. I heard it was shit, thats why they made a new engine and a new team to build it. They could have just release it and use the current one as Diablo 4. Samething happened with Warcraft 3, Starcraft 2 and WoW. As far as i remember, SC2 did not have everything scrapped though. WoW and Warcraft 3 did. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 29 2012, 08:12 PM |
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 29 2012, 07:52 PM) Just finish replay on ME1 Aye.I concluded that Sovereign is the only one true reaper He actually made reapers scary. But, Harby himself wasn't too bad. |
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Mar 29 2012, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 29 2012, 08:26 PM) Aye. Sadly, Harbinger never talked in ME3.He actually made reapers scary. But, Harby himself wasn't too bad. |
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Mar 29 2012, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 29 2012, 07:52 PM) Just finish replay on ME1 You live because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it!I concluded that Sovereign is the only one true reaper I really don't see why they needed to give the Reapers a reason to destroy. They should have just kept the Reapers as this menacing threat that you needed to overcome. No one needs to know why they do it or where they came from. This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 29 2012, 09:22 PM |
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Mar 29 2012, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 29 2012, 09:21 PM) You live because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it! kinda agree on this...I really don't see why they needed to give the Reapers a reason to destroy. They should have just kept the Reapers as this menacing threat that you needed to overcome. No one needs to know why they do it or where they came from. they could at least justify it better i feel... like preserving their race by harvesting other organics or something |
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Mar 30 2012, 04:25 AM
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lol...this is funny...someone in bioware forum posted this 2 years ago...
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Mar 30 2012, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 30 2012, 04:25 AM) lol...this is funny...someone in bioware forum posted this 2 years ago... http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/970146/1 Bioware combined both of those just to troll that guy.So. You know those 400 cupcakes? Bioware donated them to a local youth shelter. Good show good show. This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 30 2012, 11:09 AM |
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Mar 30 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 29 2012, 08:26 PM) Aye. Rannoch reaper was pretty cool too.He actually made reapers scary. But, Harby himself wasn't too bad. QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 30 2012, 07:04 AM) Bioware combined both of those just to troll that guy.So. You know those 400 cupcakes? Bioware donated them to a local youth shelter. Good show good show. |
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Mar 31 2012, 02:54 AM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 28 2012, 06:26 PM) that master AI child very stupid...create synthetic...to harvest organic so synthetic created by organic being won't kill them.... The Reapers are synthesis being, not synthetic... they explained this in ME2 (the exoskeleton reaper = Reaper that mainly harvesting human) now, Master AI create synthetic -> Reaper Organic being create synthetic -> Geths and so on Reaper harvest Organic beings -> to avoid synthetic created by organic rebel against them So.... Reaper = Synthetic -> kill and harvest organic = there is no cycle actually they didn't realize they also synthetic....its me or really really really plain stupid cycles thought by Master AI ? if you guys understand what I trying to explain....errrr IMHO, current ending is good enough, why purposely release another ending just to cater the fans/players? I believe we should respect the developers/writers decision for the endings |
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Mar 31 2012, 03:25 PM
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anyone can tell me the name of the music played during installation process for PC? There are 3 musics I know 2 of them are spectre induction and suicide mission. What is the last one?
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Mar 31 2012, 02:31 PM) IMHO, current ending is good enough, why purposely release another ending just to cater the fans/players? I believe we should respect the developers/writers decision for the endings except the ending was a decision made by casey hudson & mac walters without consulting other writing staff. this was reflected on patrick weekes (another writer who wrote Tuchanka scenario & Mordin's character) post on penny-arcade forum (which was removed entirely upon his request later on).as for the plotholes/problems with the ending, you should read this excellent article. it sums up exactly about why ppl hated the ending. http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/ |
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Mar 31 2012, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Mar 31 2012, 02:31 PM) The Reapers are synthesis being, not synthetic... they explained this in ME2 (the exoskeleton reaper = Reaper that mainly harvesting human) the problem wit ending is that...no closure or explaination...just liket tat...more to cliffhanger..and what about our decisions ? None of it were affected it IMHO, current ending is good enough, why purposely release another ending just to cater the fans/players? I believe we should respect the developers/writers decision for the endings |
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Mar 31 2012, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 31 2012, 05:09 PM) the problem wit ending is that...no closure or explaination...just liket tat...more to cliffhanger..and what about our decisions ? None of it were affected it exactly. all we want is closure. after all those hours playing all three games |
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Apr 1 2012, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 31 2012, 05:09 PM) the problem wit ending is that...no closure or explaination...just liket tat...more to cliffhanger..and what about our decisions ? None of it were affected it Errr, well they did closed it... the ending was allll about Shepard created a legend and been told forever ever after? I won't say its a cliffhanger, it was just poorly done. They should have put up a short CGI for 3 different endings that shows the difference between the final choices we make |
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Apr 1 2012, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 1 2012, 12:07 PM) Errr, well they did closed it... the ending was allll about Shepard created a legend and been told forever ever after? no closure to the rest of the people such as ur squadmate which u cared about over the course of 3 games... its nt just about Shepard... I won't say its a cliffhanger, it was just poorly done. They should have put up a short CGI for 3 different endings that shows the difference between the final choices we make |
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Apr 1 2012, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 29 2012, 08:26 PM) But, Harby himself wasn't too bad. Harbinger is always like chilling out far away, having a teh tarik. |
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Apr 1 2012, 03:15 PM
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Just so you know
QUOTE Multiple endings, each influenced by your choices and color-coded for your convenience! (Further epic endings planned for post release as downloadable content.) http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/supplydepot/ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Apr 1 2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 1 2012, 03:15 PM) Just so you know Still a better ending than ME3.http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/supplydepot/ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Apr 1 2012, 08:26 PM
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Casey on being awesome..
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Apr 2 2012, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 1 2012, 03:15 PM) Just so you know http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/supplydepot/ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Blizzard: 1, Bioware: 0 Who needs the Crucible when we can have the Supply Depot » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I see they also took a jab at ME3's multiplayer and pre-order unlockables too This post has been edited by Spiritviper: Apr 2 2012, 12:45 AM |
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QUOTE(Spiritviper @ Apr 2 2012, 12:39 AM) Blizzard: 1, Bioware: 0 Who needs the Crucible when we can have the Supply Depot » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I see they also took a jab at ME3's multiplayer and pre-order unlockables too |
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Finally finished the game. The boy changed my mind about destroying Reapers. I wanted to save everyone, I didn't want to destroy the Geth, and I fully expected Shepard to die so it was an easy choice. Plus transcending into a god-like entity is not such a bad deal. And then I found out about Indoctrination Theory.
Comment: I was kinda worried there about the ending. What with all the ruckus and all. Was not quite as bad as I expected, though I can see why it doesn't appeal to many people (see - 'it'). I'm fine with the ending plot, but I think the execution is poorly done. It just doesn't have that epic feeling of an ending worthy of such a long game. BTW is this posted here yet? I can't find it within the last 10 pages. Worth a read if you haven't. Mass Effect 3 writer allegedly slams controversial ending QUOTE I have nothing to do with the ending... ...No other writer did, either, except for our lead. This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself, sitting in a room and going through draft after draft. QUOTE The stuff with the Catalyst just... You have to understand. Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he's not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending. Which explains the wacky final scene. This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Apr 2 2012, 07:18 AM |
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 2 2012, 05:45 AM) Finally finished the game. The boy changed my mind about destroying Reapers. I wanted to save everyone, I didn't want to destroy the Geth, and I fully expected Shepard to die so it was an easy choice. Plus transcending into a god-like entity is not such a bad deal. And then I found out about Indoctrination Theory. Hah, oh man I really didn't like the ending of Memento. I get that's it's the master plan of the guy and it all actually worked out in the end but... Man, after finishing it I was just... Maybe you're supposed to feel like that I dunno. But I just figured the whole thing out before the plan was revealed I guess that's why there was no oh shit moment for me or something lol. In any case I'm gonna watch Usual Suspects soon and hope that turns out brilliant, it sounds like the show I thought Memento would be haha. This is so off topic. xDComment: I was kinda worried there about the ending. What with all the ruckus and all. Was not quite as bad as I expected, though I can see why it doesn't appeal to many people (see - 'it'). I'm fine with the ending plot, but I think the execution is poorly done. It just doesn't have that epic feeling of an ending worthy of such a long game. BTW is this posted here yet? I can't find it within the last 10 pages. Worth a read if you haven't. Mass Effect 3 writer allegedly slams controversial ending Which explains the wacky final scene. |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 2 2012, 07:57 AM) Hah, oh man I really didn't like the ending of Memento. I get that's it's the master plan of the guy and it all actually worked out in the end but... Man, after finishing it I was just... Maybe you're supposed to feel like that I dunno. But I just figured the whole thing out before the plan was revealed I guess that's why there was no oh shit moment for me or something lol. In any case I'm gonna watch Usual Suspects soon and hope that turns out brilliant, it sounds like the show I thought Memento would be haha. This is so off topic. xD this prove that ending of other games you mention whatsoever is better than ME3 ending |
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Apr 2 2012, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 2 2012, 07:57 AM) Hah, oh man I really didn't like the ending of Memento. I get that's it's the master plan of the guy and it all actually worked out in the end but... Man, after finishing it I was just... Maybe you're supposed to feel like that I dunno. But I just figured the whole thing out before the plan was revealed I guess that's why there was no oh shit moment for me or something lol. In any case I'm gonna watch Usual Suspects soon and hope that turns out brilliant, it sounds like the show I thought Memento would be haha. This is so off topic. xD more off-topic - I wouldn't put too much hope for Usual Suspects to mindfucuk you. The film was damn good for its time, but the status nowadays is more like a Scream for thrillers. It's more in the level of Se7en instead of Memento or Inception. I'd watch it for the reputation alone though . BTW are we talking about the same Memento here? I can't seem to recall any kind of master plan... |
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Apr 2 2012, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 2 2012, 09:26 AM) more off-topic - I wouldn't put too much hope for Usual Suspects to mindfucuk you. The film was damn good for its time, but the status nowadays is more like a Scream for thrillers. It's more in the level of Se7en instead of Memento or Inception. I'd watch it for the reputation alone though I confused Memento with Se7en! HAHAHAHA. I'll watch Memento later! . BTW are we talking about the same Memento here? I can't seem to recall any kind of master plan... |
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Apr 2 2012, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 2 2012, 09:08 AM) this prove that ending of other games you mention whatsoever is better than ME3 ending (I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that you were trying to quote me because your quote there doesn't make sense )How so? Anyway I don't really care anymore what the official story is. IT makes perfecto senso to me -
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 2 2012, 11:52 AM) Just a friendly tip - you're going to need 200% concentration! Memento is not that complicated» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Apr 2 2012, 01:49 PM) Memento is not that complicated err no. but there's a lot of mental note.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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what is the warmap actually ? keep offline lol
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 2 2012, 01:57 PM) err no. but there's a lot of mental note. Ya i know, just using this opportunity to post the awesome memento infographic i found earlier. |
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Apr 2 2012, 02:15 PM) Ya i know, just using this opportunity to post the awesome memento infographic i found earlier. dem i got indoctrinated again. |
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QUOTE(vincenteoh88 @ Apr 2 2012, 02:07 PM) what is the warmap actually ? keep offline lol you playing pirated vershun? |
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Apr 2 2012, 08:53 PM
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btw where's the discussion here? bored already?
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The ending was just laughably bad. What happens to all the other races that you brought to Earth to fight with you? They just get stranded since there are no more relays? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sounds like we ended the trilogy by making Shepard the Epic Retard.
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 2 2012, 08:53 PM) btw where's the discussion here? bored already? Most of us have moved on. nothing much to talk about a retard ending haha. |
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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 2 2012, 11:58 PM) The ending was just laughably bad. What happens to all the other races that you brought to Earth to fight with you? They just get stranded since there are no more relays? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sounds like we ended the trilogy by making Shepard the Epic Retard. Shepard "reset-ed" the whole galaxy by blowing up the mass relays and stuff, thats why we see a scene where Normandy was escaping the blast... then finally crash-landed on one random uncharted world... Not the best ending, but then, what is so bad about it? I think most of the players are focusing too much on the "choices that influence the endings"; IMO, the "choices" that we make throughout the game affects the "paths" that brought us to the "endings". |
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Apr 3 2012, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 2 2012, 08:53 PM) btw where's the discussion here? bored already? Every attempt by me to incite discussion on the Indoctrination Theory was shot down by, "Bioware just messed up the ending. End of story. Stop feeding that shit down our throats." ~_~ |
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:33 AM) Every attempt by me to incite discussion on the Indoctrination Theory was shot down by, "Bioware just messed up the ending. End of story. Stop feeding that shit down our throats." ~_~ well i kinda agree with the indoctrinated theory especially after the 23minute explanation video |
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:32 AM) Shepard "reset-ed" the whole galaxy by blowing up the mass relays and stuff, thats why we see a scene where Normandy was escaping the blast... then finally crash-landed on one random uncharted world... MY SWEETNot the best ending, but then, what is so bad about it? I think most of the players are focusing too much on the "choices that influence the endings"; IMO, the "choices" that we make throughout the game affects the "paths" that brought us to the "endings". |
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:32 AM) Shepard "reset-ed" the whole galaxy by blowing up the mass relays and stuff, thats why we see a scene where Normandy was escaping the blast... then finally crash-landed on one random uncharted world... Bullshit. How could they escape from the blast? There was no warning whatsoever? Are we just going to assume that they ran away? And what about teammates that went with you to go into the citadel(they disappeared after the laser creamed us)? How did they magically appear in the normandy at the end?Not the best ending, but then, what is so bad about it? I think most of the players are focusing too much on the "choices that influence the endings"; IMO, the "choices" that we make throughout the game affects the "paths" that brought us to the "endings". What is so bad about it? The choices that matter all came in the ending which is seriously retarded for a game like Mass Effect which has been touted as a player driven storyline. And the endings don't even differ much unless you count the colour of your catalyst explosion. And the whole explanation of synthetics protecting organics from synthetics by killing organics for other organics to grow is just...... I don't know what to say la. And the ending made Shepard look like an idiot too for not consulting anybody of his decision. And what's the point of making alliances and saving races if you don't know what happens to them in the end? You did this all for Joker? C'mon seriously, the ending was so badly made and you can't hide the fact. Even Bioware knows it. |
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Apr 3 2012, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:32 AM) Shepard "reset-ed" the whole galaxy by blowing up the mass relays and stuff, thats why we see a scene where Normandy was escaping the blast... then finally crash-landed on one random uncharted world... have u watched Lord of the Rings trilogy ? its almost same as ME trilogy except ME3 ending with crappy Master AI...never explained abt it on me1 neither me 2 or whatsoever...suddenly appear at final and said it is Catalyst...what the... Not the best ending, but then, what is so bad about it? I think most of the players are focusing too much on the "choices that influence the endings"; IMO, the "choices" that we make throughout the game affects the "paths" that brought us to the "endings". and then give different colors with same ending actually...where our decisions really affected it the whole story ? after read the article abt it, the indocrination theory and more...i'm just have no mood to play it again no CLOSURE and EXPLAINATION of the outcome ? |
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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 3 2012, 08:27 AM) Bullshit. How could they escape from the blast? There was no warning whatsoever? Are we just going to assume that they ran away? And what about teammates that went with you to go into the citadel(they disappeared after the laser creamed us)? How did they magically appear in the normandy at the end? In short, the ending is broken. So broken that I went back playing Battlefield 3.What is so bad about it? The choices that matter all came in the ending which is seriously retarded for a game like Mass Effect which has been touted as a player driven storyline. And the endings don't even differ much unless you count the colour of your catalyst explosion. And the whole explanation of synthetics protecting organics from synthetics by killing organics for other organics to grow is just...... I don't know what to say la. And the ending made Shepard look like an idiot too for not consulting anybody of his decision. And what's the point of making alliances and saving races if you don't know what happens to them in the end? You did this all for Joker? C'mon seriously, the ending was so badly made and you can't hide the fact. Even Bioware knows it. |
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Apr 3 2012, 09:20 AM) In short, the ending is broken. So broken that I went back playing Battlefield 3. its really made me crazy u know.. only got ME3 CE on origin, now i'm dunno wht to play... |
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 3 2012, 09:22 AM) its really made me crazy u know.. only got ME3 CE on origin, now i'm dunno wht to play... I feel you human. Mass Effect 3 is the first CE I bought (and probably my last). Yet I only play 2 playthrough. One normal and one insanity. Finish, then no idea already.Well, if to be compared to my 10+ playthrough in Mass Effect 2. |
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Apr 3 2012, 09:29 AM) I feel you human. Mass Effect 3 is the first CE I bought (and probably my last). Yet I only play 2 playthrough. One normal and one insanity. Finish, then no idea already. Well, if to be compared to my 10+ playthrough in Mass Effect 2. yea...i have thought to sell it but...will continue keep untill new DLC ending out.. if not, wil sell it |
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 3 2012, 09:22 AM) its really made me crazy u know.. only got ME3 CE on origin, now i'm dunno wht to play... may I recommend this: heard good things about it, definitely underrated gem. This post has been edited by ray148: Apr 3 2012, 09:40 AM |
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Apr 3 2012, 09:39 AM) may I recommend this: thx, will try tis one heard good things about it, definitely underrated gem. |
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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 3 2012, 08:27 AM) Bullshit. How could they escape from the blast? There was no warning whatsoever? Are we just going to assume that they ran away? And what about teammates that went with you to go into the citadel(they disappeared after the laser creamed us)? How did they magically appear in the normandy at the end? Why put so much focus on the "endings"? Like I had said, the "choices" only affect the "paths" that bring us to the "endings". In this case, you could say the "ending" are fixed, each "choices" we make only deviate the "paths" towards the end. And this fulfills your so called "player driven storyline". You drive the storyline, but the alpha and omega are fixed.What is so bad about it? The choices that matter all came in the ending which is seriously retarded for a game like Mass Effect which has been touted as a player driven storyline. And the endings don't even differ much unless you count the colour of your catalyst explosion. And the whole explanation of synthetics protecting organics from synthetics by killing organics for other organics to grow is just...... I don't know what to say la. And the ending made Shepard look like an idiot too for not consulting anybody of his decision. And what's the point of making alliances and saving races if you don't know what happens to them in the end? You did this all for Joker? C'mon seriously, the ending was so badly made and you can't hide the fact. Even Bioware knows it. And please remember, Reaper is NOT synthetics; they cannot function with only steels and circuits; their fluids/bloods are organics, so they are synthesis beings. There is no warning on the blast, but then, Normandy has EDI and perhaps she can detect the power surge and warns Joker on it? And no, Shepard did not do this all for Joker, I guess it was just merely a coincidence that Joker managed to escape because he had Normandy (the best Alliance ship) and EDI (full fledged AI) with him. I agree there are some broken parts like how timmy appears in Citadel, the origin of Master AI, how our teammate appears back in Normandy at the end, etc; they need to elaborate more on these parts. Aside from that, what is really so bad about it? What are you all looking for? A super epic ending where Shepard pilot the Catalyst and blows all Reapers away? |
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Apr 3 2012, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:32 AM) I think most of the players are focusing too much on the "choices that influence the endings"; IMO, the "choices" that we make throughout the game affects the "paths" that brought us to the "endings". Exactly my thought. People are treating ME like it's some kind of hardcore RPG. News - it's not. FFS the game was made for X360 in the first place. Plus the series been going downhill (RPG-wise) ever since ME2.My theory - IT is not bullshit. First of all you have to read this to get things into perspective - Mass Effect 3 writer allegedly slams controversial ending QUOTE I have nothing to do with the ending... ...No other writer did, either, except for our lead. This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself, sitting in a room and going through draft after draft. QUOTE The stuff with the Catalyst just... You have to understand. Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he's not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending. Assuming this is the case, it explains why the final Citadel sequence seems out of place and incoherent with the rest of the game. It also explains why it's so poorly executed. So that's out of the way. What were they trying to do actually?
QUOTE You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. Far-fetched? This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Apr 3 2012, 10:05 AM |
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Apr 3 2012, 10:10 AM
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even with all these arguments, one thing is clear--the ending was poorly done.
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Apr 3 2012, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 09:52 AM) What are you all looking for? A super epic ending where Shepard pilot the Catalyst and blows all Reapers away? Is that too hard to ask?  It doesn't even require Bioware to be imaginative. |
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Apr 3 2012, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 09:52 AM) What are you all looking for? A super epic ending where Shepard pilot the Catalyst and blows all Reapers away? I believe what they want is closure. A proper closure to the series. I myself want a proper closure. Though there are some who want a 'happily ever after' ending.Remember God of War 3? If you play through the series, you will find the ending itself probably was not what the fans expect it to be. But they add closure to it. Clarity. Nevermind, Bioware is currently working on it. |
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Apr 3 2012, 10:52 AM
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like matrix , blue pill n red pill...ooo wai....green ? just suka2 ending ?
nevertheless, hope BW fix the ending...shtttt, me traumatized oredi.. |
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Apr 3 2012, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 3 2012, 10:52 AM) like matrix , blue pill n red pill...ooo wai....green ? you wouldn't be as confused if there're only two colours now, would you? that's too easy. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 3 2012, 10:52 AM) just suka2 ending ? it's probably what Casey Hudson and Marc Walters wanted. but as we can see a lot of people oh, in my theory the Geth are not destroyed. The Catalyst was trying to put you off, remember? |
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Apr 3 2012, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Apr 3 2012, 10:29 AM) I believe what they want is closure. A proper closure to the series. I myself want a proper closure. Though there are some who want a 'happily ever after' ending. There is a closure, the "reset" thingy that i mentioned before. The problem is the players do not accept it. So now we are playing a players driven story game?Remember God of War 3? If you play through the series, you will find the ending itself probably was not what the fans expect it to be. But they add closure to it. Clarity. Nevermind, Bioware is currently working on it. Like said, respect the makers decision and appreciate it. |
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Apr 3 2012, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:33 AM) Every attempt by me to incite discussion on the Indoctrination Theory was shot down by, "Bioware just messed up the ending. End of story. Stop feeding that shit down our throats." ~_~ QUOTE(evofantasy @ Apr 3 2012, 01:03 AM) well i kinda agree with the indoctrinated theory especially after the 23minute explanation video I think if you hate The Matrix Revolutions, you're gonna hate this. In fact, it stinks of Matrix - create a cool game everyone likes, give them a mindfucuk ending. Those that Me on the other hand think The Matrix trilogy are one the most mind-blowing films ever made (surpassed by Inception now) so when I found out about IT you can imagine me having that enlightenment moment. This is the most f***ing mind-blowing game ever made. My only gripe is I never paid enough attention to details. |
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Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 11:31 AM) There is a closure, the "reset" thingy that i mentioned before. The problem is the players do not accept it. So now we are playing a players driven story game? ...That was no closure. If you consider that closure then I'm not sure what game you played lol. What happened to all the races in the end? With the Mass Relays gone, how did galactic civilisation fare? What happened to the Quarians? After all without the Mass Relays, all of their fleet is stuck in front of the Earth, it would take many, many generations to reach back to their homeworld.Like said, respect the makers decision and appreciate it. There was no closure at all. The whole universe reset? Really? Is that what happened? If so, then I'd like to see how it turned out. How are the races now? Why the hell does EDI who already is a synthetic, have the synthetic skin thing that's present on organics if you choose the Synthesis option? http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/ This guy explained it best. It was not a closure, it opened up more questions than it closed, if it even closed any. Respecting the maker's decision and appreciating it is rubbish. You certainly as hell would not appreciate shit music or shit art. If some guy came on stage and started playing music that's shit, would you respect his decision and appreciate the music that you so undeniably believe is shit? Look, they are selling a game, they are not making it to please themselves, they are making it to please an audience. If your audience thinks it is shit, then it is shit. Period. |
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Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM) ...That was no closure. If you consider that closure then I'm not sure what game you played lol. What happened to all the races in the end? With the Mass Relays gone, how did galactic civilisation fare? What happened to the Quarians? After all without the Mass Relays, all of their fleet is stuck in front of the Earth, it would take many, many generations to reach back to their homeworld. The blast of all mass relays literally "wipe out" all races aka the whole galaxy, that's why I'm saying its a "reset" .There was no closure at all. The whole universe reset? Really? Is that what happened? If so, then I'd like to see how it turned out. How are the races now? Why the hell does EDI who already is a synthetic, have the synthetic skin thing that's present on organics if you choose the Synthesis option? http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/ This guy explained it best. It was not a closure, it opened up more questions than it closed, if it even closed any. Respecting the maker's decision and appreciating it is rubbish. You certainly as hell would not appreciate shit music or shit art. If some guy came on stage and started playing music that's shit, would you respect his decision and appreciate the music that you so undeniably believe is shit? Look, they are selling a game, they are not making it to please themselves, they are making it to please an audience. If your audience thinks it is shit, then it is shit. Period. EDI represents synthetic while Joker represents organics, and you cant expect to synthesis both of them in 5 minutes, right? I judge ME as a whole game, not only looking at the ending and certainly its one of the better games that i had played so far. Again, i prefer the makers original idea than any "fan services" that they put up just to "pleases" the fans base. |
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Apr 3 2012, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM) The blast of all mass relays literally "wipe out" all races aka the whole galaxy, that's why I'm saying its a "reset" . If you're talking about fan service, there's already plenty of it in this game. EDI represents synthetic while Joker represents organics, and you cant expect to synthesis both of them in 5 minutes, right? I judge ME as a whole game, not only looking at the ending and certainly its one of the better games that i had played so far. Again, i prefer the makers original idea than any "fan services" that they put up just to "pleases" the fans base. Really? So you united the whole bloody galaxy just to wipe it out at the end? WHOOP-DE-DO! WOW! I, the Catalyst, created the Reapers to annihilate advanced organics before advanced organics creates synthetics so advanced they wipe out all organics. But obviously since you're here this won't work any more, therefore, I will let you... DESTROY ALL THE RACES YOURSELF! OH MY GOD SHEPARD YOU ARE BLOODY BRILLIANT. Also, your "wipe out" makes no sense. If it was a total wipe out, then why are the Humans and whoever came out of your ship still alive? Please. If anything, a total galaxy wipe out would destroy everything. Like the big bang all over again. Also, yes, I do in fact, expect them to synthesise in 5 minutes because that's what the Catalyst was supposed to bloody do. It was supposed to send out a chain reaction of events that changed everything effectively immediately. It was not an over time effect otherwise the Reapers would destroy everything anyway. But that's not the point, and that was not what I was getting at. I never expected them to do a Dragon Ball fusion. I'm just wondering why in the Synthesis ending, Joker got that synthetic look but EDI doesn't look any more organic. Makes no sense. Yet more proof to add to the pile of BioWare rushed this ending out. Be it as it may, my experience of Mass Effect is brilliant but in my memories, it will be the game that had the shit ending. This post has been edited by hahli9: Apr 3 2012, 12:39 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 12:49 PM
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That's why you see the scene where Normandy is escaping the blast.
As for EDI, maybe she can start pour out juices from her body? You cannot say she remains as synthetic just because her exterior didn't change much. Eg Reapers are synthesis beings yet they have machine body The wipe out ends the Reaper cycle and provides a zero start for the synthesis group (Joker and Co). |
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Apr 3 2012, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:49 PM) That's why you see the scene where Normandy is escaping the blast. They didn't escape the blast. You quite obviously see the blast catch up to them at the end. As for EDI, maybe she can start pour out juices from her body? You cannot say she remains as synthetic just because her exterior didn't change much. Eg Reapers are synthesis beings yet they have machine body The wipe out ends the Reaper cycle and provides a zero start for the synthesis group (Joker and Co). |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:54 PM) They didn't escape the blast. You quite obviously see the blast catch up to them at the end. Err, the crash landed scene? |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Hmm. I think the fan base is now split into a couple of groups -
I am a firm believer of Indoctrination Theory, so yeah. QUOTE So here’s what I think happened. I think the writing team at Bioware originally had the indoctrination theory in mind, and the game designers were diligently creating all the subtle clues, preparing to pull of the most brilliant narrative effect in recent memory. Then they hit the wall…the wall of a looming deadline and rapidly shrinking money pile. Mass Effect 3 had already been delayed by three months, and properly incorporating the Indoctrination Theory into the game would have resulted in another delay. So someone without a shred of artistic integrity saw the ending sequence of the indoctrination and said “why not just make this the ending?” so they whipped up a half-baked closing cinematic, slapped it on the end and called it a day. [WARNING: The Prestige references ensue] Ahah. But we haven't seen "The Prestige" yet. We have seen "The Pledge" (Mass Effect - your everyday ordinary RPG game), "The Turn" (Indoctrination Theory - take the ordinary something and make it do something extraordinary) but not "The Prestige" (that is why everyone's still baffled). Quoted for reference - » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « PAX Friday April 6th?  Or maybe I'm just over-thinking things. Perhaps BioWare is not that awesome? |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:03 PM) Err, the crash landed scene? Yeah, the blast caught up, hence crash. Otherwise there's no other reason they would crash amirite? ~_~Unless you know, you thought Joker thought it would be a good idea to crash the Normandy on some planet in the middle of nowhere just because he felt like it. And in the end the Synthesis option still makes the least sense. In Mass Effect, you helped the different races see past their differences and unite for a common cause. Then you go LOL LET'S MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME. HURHURHURHUR! Stupid. QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 01:09 PM) Hey thanks for the link Hahli ^^ Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do.Hmm. I think the fan base is now split into a couple of groups -
I am a firm believer of Indoctrination Theory, so yeah. [WARNING: The Prestige references ensue] Ahah. But we haven't seen "The Prestige" yet. We have seen "The Pledge" (Mass Effect - your everyday ordinary RPG game), "The Turn" (Indoctrination Theory - take the ordinary something and make it do something extraordinary) but not "The Prestige" (that is why everyone's still baffled). Quoted for reference - » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « PAX Friday April 6th? Or maybe I'm just over-thinking things. Perhaps BioWare is not that awesome? But the sad part is, no one wins in the end. This post has been edited by hahli9: Apr 3 2012, 01:14 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM) Yeah, the blast caught up, hence crash. Otherwise there's no other reason they would crash amirite? ~_~ Said many times, those choices you made are the paths towards the ending. They don't really affect the endings.Unless you know, you thought Joker thought it would be a good idea to crash the Normandy on some planet in the middle of nowhere just because he felt like it. And in the end the Synthesis option still makes the least sense. In Mass Effect, you helped the different races see past their differences and unite for a common cause. Then you go LOL LET'S MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME. HURHURHURHUR! Stupid. Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do. But the sad part is, no one wins in the end. |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:15 PM) Said many times, those choices you made are the paths towards the ending. They don't really affect the endings. ...And that's the problem isn't it?Also, they do affect the endings. They might not have major cinematic differences but they do affect the endings. I have no idea whether you've even played the game at this point and are just a massive troll. If you choose to Destroy then no more synthetics, no more reapers. Only organics. If you choose to Control then everything is as it was, except Shepard is now Lord High Executioner (+1 to those who get reference) of the Galaxy. If you choose to Synthesise then you just... Went against all you've accomplished in Mass Effect lmfao. This post has been edited by hahli9: Apr 3 2012, 01:21 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM) Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do. My crazy thought is Hudson intentionally cut out the Destroy ending (hence leaving players in the dark) just to incite all these reactions. They are uncharacteristically calm and that's quite suspicious.But the sad part is, no one wins in the end. |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 01:18 PM) My crazy thought is Hudson intentionally cut out the Destroy ending (hence leaving players in the dark) just to incite all these reactions. They are uncharacteristically calm and that's quite suspicious. Argh that's what I think too. They intentionally cut it out so that people would buy the DLC true end later. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻Unless it's free. And they just needed the post-game release time to complete the true ending. In which case everyone would be happy and BioWare would retain it's reputation. This post has been edited by hahli9: Apr 3 2012, 01:24 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:23 PM) Argh that's what I think too. They intentionally cut it out so that people would buy the DLC true end later. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I doubt they (BioWare) would charge for it. That would be prepostorous. Now EA on the other hand...Unless it's free. And they just needed the post-game release time to complete the true ending. In which case everyone would be happy and BioWare would retain it's reputation. |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:16 PM) ...And that's the problem isn't it? For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? Also, they do affect the endings. They might not have major cinematic differences but they do affect the endings. I have no idea whether you've even played the game at this point and are just a massive troll. If you choose to Destroy then no more synthetics, no more reapers. Only organics. If you choose to Control then everything is as it was, except Shepard is now Lord High Executioner (+1 to those who get reference) of the Galaxy. If you choose to Synthesise then you just... Went against all you've accomplished in Mass Effect lmfao. The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM) For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? Come and join us!The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM) For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural?The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory! Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind. This post has been edited by hahli9: Apr 3 2012, 01:40 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM) Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural? I'm just saying they didn't play a major role since 3 endings are very much the same Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory! Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind. I wish they could let us play as Reapers though, Harby is fun since he can jump around controlling |
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Apr 3 2012, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM) Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural? Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory! Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind. QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:45 PM) I'm just saying they didn't play a major role since 3 endings are very much the same For me they're not even the endings actually I wish they could let us play as Reapers though, Harby is fun since he can jump around controlling . |
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Apr 3 2012, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 02:21 PM) For me they're not even the endings actually So, you're okay with EA selling you a game with no endings? .I am honestly curious. |
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Apr 3 2012, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Apr 3 2012, 02:35 PM) So, you're okay with EA selling you a game with no endings? As long as they release it later (for free). I'll keep my rage until then.I am honestly curious. |
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Apr 3 2012, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 02:45 PM) As long as they release it later (for free). I'll keep my rage until then. Interesting. Okay. I'm annoyed by the principle that EA thinks it is a good idea to release a game without an end. Sets a very bad precedent. |
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Apr 3 2012, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(Grif @ Apr 3 2012, 02:52 PM) Interesting. Okay. maybe they're trying a new thing? I'm annoyed by the principle that EA thinks it is a good idea to release a game without an end. Sets a very bad precedent. |
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Apr 3 2012, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 3 2012, 09:19 AM) have u watched Lord of the Rings trilogy ? its almost same as ME trilogy except ME3 ending with crappy Master AI...never explained abt it on me1 neither me 2 or whatsoever...suddenly appear at final and said it is Catalyst...what the... FYI... LOTR movie trilogy ending is still missing 1/3 of the final book and then give different colors with same ending actually...where our decisions really affected it the whole story ? after read the article abt it, the indocrination theory and more...i'm just have no mood to play it again no CLOSURE and EXPLAINATION of the outcome ? LOTR books had a proper closure.. somebody lost the final 1/3 script for ME3 i guess This post has been edited by seather: Apr 3 2012, 03:38 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 02:21 PM) For me they're not even the endings actually Don't worry. Just for $9.99 |
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Apr 3 2012, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 3 2012, 03:36 PM) Don't worry you don't believe in IT. i do not heed you.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Just for $9.99 |
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Apr 3 2012, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 03:53 PM) you don't believe in IT. i do not heed you. I always believe in EA f***ing us over |
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Apr 3 2012, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 3 2012, 03:58 PM) I always believe in EA f***ing us over i somehow think something will happen this friday. |
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QUOTE(seather @ Apr 3 2012, 03:33 PM) FYI... LOTR movie trilogy ending is still missing 1/3 of the final book Fair enough but: LOTR books had a proper closure.. somebody lost the final 1/3 script for ME3 i guess LOTR movies - lead characters and supporting characters introduced throughout the film adaptation are properly sent-off- elves (grey havens); frodo (grey havens); bilbo (grey havens); samwise (married); ring (in the lava pit); gollum (lava pit); sauron (exploded); aragorn (king and married to arwen); arwen (alive and married to aragorn); except for orc #1,452 (unknown). ME3 - new entity introduced (reaper child illusion); shepard (gene juice/rubble fodder); fate of all human and alienkind (colors - red, green and blue); everything else (DLC). |
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Apr 3 2012, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(seather @ Apr 3 2012, 03:33 PM) FYI... LOTR movie trilogy ending is still missing 1/3 of the final book You mean the Scouring of the Shire? It wasn't really needed in the context of the movie though, so I accept that as part of the price of movie conversion. (And it wasn't all that important to be honest.) LOTR books had a proper closure.. somebody lost the final 1/3 script for ME3 i guess |
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Apr 3 2012, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 3 2012, 04:02 PM) Fair enough but: just in case you haven't noticed, the ending is just one LOTR movies - lead characters and supporting characters introduced throughout the film adaptation are properly sent-off- elves (grey havens); frodo (grey havens); bilbo (grey havens); samwise (married); ring (in the lava pit); gollum (lava pit); sauron (exploded); aragorn (king and married to arwen); arwen (alive and married to aragorn); except for orc #1,452 (unknown). ME3 - new entity introduced (reaper child illusion); shepard (gene juice/rubble fodder); fate of all human and alienkind (colors - red, green and blue); everything else (DLC). edit: should've added some smileys. there you go. This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Apr 3 2012, 04:38 PM |
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Apr 3 2012, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 04:02 PM) i somehow think something will happen this friday. Bioware: "The Indoctrination Theory was right all along. It was done so that we have time in finishing the ending sequences. Oh yeah, it will be implemented for free through DLC."**Internet explode. **"bioware are gods!!!" become ppl fav chant. /dream |
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Apr 3 2012, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Apr 3 2012, 05:11 PM) Bioware: "The Indoctrination Theory was right all along. It was done so that we have time in finishing the ending sequences. Oh yeah, it will be implemented for free through DLC." Relax, old friend. If they defy the Indoctrination Theory, all of galaxy goes to war. Pray they're that stupid. Pray we're that lucky.**Internet explode. **"bioware are gods!!!" become ppl fav chant. /dream |
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Apr 3 2012, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Apr 3 2012, 05:11 PM) Bioware: "The Indoctrination Theory was right all along. It was done so that we have time in finishing the ending sequences. Oh yeah, it will be implemented for free through DLC." The dream indeed.**Internet explode. **"bioware are gods!!!" become ppl fav chant. /dream I believe BioWare has the moral integrity to do this. But as Fhaarkas has said, EA on the other hand... |
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Apr 3 2012, 08:24 PM
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i do find the indoctrination theory is good, but the ending consequences should have been done nicely ftw
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Apr 3 2012, 11:15 PM
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after finish of ME1,2 and 3 ....i still havent no idea who is the creator of the reaper......can`t get answer from masseffect wiki....
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Apr 3 2012, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(commanderz @ Apr 3 2012, 11:15 PM) after finish of ME1,2 and 3 ....i still havent no idea who is the creator of the reaper......can`t get answer from masseffect wiki.... What? You serious? Did you even play the game? The Reapers were created by the Catalyst. |
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Apr 3 2012, 11:47 PM
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i know...but the question is...who is the creator of the AI catalyst that controlling the reaper...??...i know the reaper create the citadel and mass relay....before prothean.....maybe a advanced race before prothean timeline?...
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Apr 4 2012, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 09:52 AM) Why put so much focus on the "endings"? Like I had said, the "choices" only affect the "paths" that bring us to the "endings". In this case, you could say the "ending" are fixed, each "choices" we make only deviate the "paths" towards the end. And this fulfills your so called "player driven storyline". You drive the storyline, but the alpha and omega are fixed. It is not a player driven storyline if the alpha and omega are fixed. What motivation would you have of driving the story if the final outcome is going to be the same anyways? Bioware promised much more pre-ME3.And please remember, Reaper is NOT synthetics; they cannot function with only steels and circuits; their fluids/bloods are organics, so they are synthesis beings. There is no warning on the blast, but then, Normandy has EDI and perhaps she can detect the power surge and warns Joker on it? And no, Shepard did not do this all for Joker, I guess it was just merely a coincidence that Joker managed to escape because he had Normandy (the best Alliance ship) and EDI (full fledged AI) with him. I agree there are some broken parts like how timmy appears in Citadel, the origin of Master AI, how our teammate appears back in Normandy at the end, etc; they need to elaborate more on these parts. Aside from that, what is really so bad about it? What are you all looking for? A super epic ending where Shepard pilot the Catalyst and blows all Reapers away? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « EDI warning the Normandy is too far-fetched. From the cinematic, it was shown that the blast took everybody by surprise, even the reapers. And what if EDI was there in the last surge to the Citadel? She would have got blasted off by the Reaper as well. And the synthesis ending was a whole load of horse shit. The difference was that every living thing got circuit tattoos? That doesn't even make sense at all. Shows how lazy they were when they couldn't even remodel EDI to look more human and Joker more synthetic. They just slapped on circuit textures and skins on everything. It definitely shows that the ending was just an afterthought. Can't believe you would even want to defend the ending. |
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Apr 4 2012, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(commanderz @ Apr 3 2012, 11:47 PM) i know...but the question is...who is the creator of the AI catalyst that controlling the reaper...??...i know the reaper create the citadel and mass relay....before prothean.....maybe a advanced race before prothean timeline?... Advanced race before prothean was Inusannon. Roughly around 125k years ago.Most probably this .  And the reapers are created countless cycles before the current cycle. Ranging to millions of years. And could probably be this. .  This post has been edited by SteamieHP: Apr 4 2012, 08:47 AM |
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Apr 4 2012, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Apr 4 2012, 08:43 AM) And the reapers are created countless cycles before the current cycle. Ranging to millions of years. 1 billion years and 20000 cycles to be exact. |
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Apr 4 2012, 09:12 AM
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Apr 4 2012, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 4 2012, 02:14 AM) It is not a player driven storyline if the alpha and omega are fixed. What motivation would you have of driving the story if the final outcome is going to be the same anyways? Bioware promised much more pre-ME3. errr, I'm not really defending the ending. I agree the ending was poorly made, but the closing story they put up was not that bad. EDI warning the Normandy is too far-fetched. From the cinematic, it was shown that the blast took everybody by surprise, even the reapers. And what if EDI was there in the last surge to the Citadel? She would have got blasted off by the Reaper as well. And the synthesis ending was a whole load of horse shit. The difference was that every living thing got circuit tattoos? That doesn't even make sense at all. Shows how lazy they were when they couldn't even remodel EDI to look more human and Joker more synthetic. They just slapped on circuit textures and skins on everything. It definitely shows that the ending was just an afterthought. Can't believe you would even want to defend the ending. In short, they need to put more scenes to elaborate more on the endings |
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Apr 4 2012, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 4 2012, 09:44 AM) In short, they need to put more scenes to elaborate more on the endings that's pretty sums up the entire argument from the "ending suck!!" folks really. |
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Apr 4 2012, 05:34 PM
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found a better answer according to Mass effect wiki..''Sovereign claims that the Reaper race is "infinite"; has "always existed"; and has no creators. Being a mechanical race, these claims are irrational, but still Reaper psyche is logically bound (It is possible that the Reapers were once organic and merged themselves with machines). ''
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Apr 4 2012, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Apr 4 2012, 09:50 AM) that's pretty sums up the entire argument from the "ending suck!!" folks really. More or less. |
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Apr 4 2012, 09:12 PM
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Apr 4 2012, 10:07 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « haaha this was posted in the official forum today. RGBed. This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Apr 4 2012, 10:07 PM |
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Apr 4 2012, 10:09 PM
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^ really2....TOO SIMPLE simple simple simple simple simpleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
my precious ME trilogyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy noooooo |
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Apr 4 2012, 10:44 PM
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I can't believe there's so much improvement over the previous mass effect. The graphics is really awesome (but the animation can have a rework).
ME3 has one of the best story telling mechanism over ME1 and ME2 for me. It's sad it has to end but i'm impressed albeit the bad ending. |
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Apr 5 2012, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 4 2012, 11:44 PM) I can't believe there's so much improvement over the previous mass effect. The graphics is really awesome (but the animation can have a rework). AI still felt like dull ME3 has one of the best story telling mechanism over ME1 and ME2 for me. It's sad it has to end but i'm impressed albeit the bad ending. but the story mechanism is definitely good! only the endings, WHY THE ENDING LIKE DAT |
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Apr 5 2012, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(ulwan25 @ Apr 5 2012, 12:40 AM) AI still felt like dull The last battle was really tough for me with all the banshees, marauders and brutes swarming me. That's the only battle that makes me sweat. Perhaps you should elaborate more why is the ending sucks? but the story mechanism is definitely good! only the endings, WHY THE ENDING LIKE DAT For me the game is really awesome, i mean the casting, voice-overs and visuals. It's like watching a movie. I've played all series and this is the best cinematography i've seen to late. Of course my opinion . |
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Apr 5 2012, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 5 2012, 01:58 AM) The last battle was really tough for me with all the banshees, marauders and brutes swarming me. That's the only battle that makes me sweat. Perhaps you should elaborate more why is the ending sucks? watt?? I played the final sequence like running water not knowing that I already reached the Reaper For me the game is really awesome, i mean the casting, voice-overs and visuals. It's like watching a movie. I've played all series and this is the best cinematography i've seen to late. Of course my opinion . |
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Apr 5 2012, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 5 2012, 12:58 AM) The last battle was really tough for me with all the banshees, marauders and brutes swarming me. That's the only battle that makes me sweat. Perhaps you should elaborate more why is the ending sucks? ending is bad cause there is lack of closure especially with ur squad mates which u have such bonds with, introduce something totally new in the final 5 minutes and the ending is totally against what we have been fighting for (the main themes of ME) as well as was totally not like Shepard...For me the game is really awesome, i mean the casting, voice-overs and visuals. It's like watching a movie. I've played all series and this is the best cinematography i've seen to late. Of course my opinion .^ thus i am a indoctrination theory believer... the ending also introduces plotholes such as the mass relays not causing supernovas, why was the normandy running away etc... i would say the MGS series (especially how MGS4 closes off the series) beats the ME trilogy... mostly due to how the closing was done in ME3... the journey throughout ME3 was great especially the krogan's subplot... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Apr 5 2012, 01:12 AM |
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Apr 5 2012, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 5 2012, 12:58 AM) The last battle was really tough for me with all the banshees, marauders and brutes swarming me. That's the only battle that makes me sweat. Perhaps you should elaborate more why is the ending sucks? Although quite a tough battle for me also, its a step down from the final ME1 and ME2 battles where in ME1 you fight your way through the citadel to bring down Saren in the tower and the giant human/reaper in ME2 - here, it's just hordes of the toughest monsters.. all mashed together in one map.. not very creative at all.For me the game is really awesome, i mean the casting, voice-overs and visuals. It's like watching a movie. I've played all series and this is the best cinematography i've seen to late. Of course my opinion .The production values for voice acting and visuals in the ME series are really top notch for sure. The biggest problem of the ending for me - normandy out running a coloured explosion and crash landing in a jungle with a squad mate i chose for the final mission. No comment on the child-reaper-maker hologram and the 3 choices as i'm not sure what to make of those for now - its either the most brilliant or the stupidest story element ever in gaming history. This will depend on how bioware intends for us to 'continue the legend of Cmdr Shepard with downloadable content'. |
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Apr 5 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 5 2012, 10:19 AM) Although quite a tough battle for me also, its a step down from the final ME1 and ME2 battles where in ME1 you fight your way through the citadel to bring down Saren in the tower and the giant human/reaper in ME2 - here, it's just hordes of the toughest monsters.. all mashed together in one map.. not very creative at all. yeah the last 1-2 hrs of the game is bad...The production values for voice acting and visuals in the ME series are really top notch for sure. The biggest problem of the ending for me - normandy out running a coloured explosion and crash landing in a jungle with a squad mate i chose for the final mission. No comment on the child-reaper-maker hologram and the 3 choices as i'm not sure what to make of those for now - its either the most brilliant or the stupidest story element ever in gaming history. This will depend on how bioware intends for us to 'continue the legend of Cmdr Shepard with downloadable content'. especially before the final stage where u talk to ur squadmates? it kinda throw off the momentum and the speeches weren't tat complete to act as a closure thus leaving up halfway... before tat, the game was one good experience for sure... i alt-F4 when i saw Tali suicided by response and reloaded lolx |
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Apr 5 2012, 10:59 AM
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Finished my 2nd playthrough after a back to back me series pt. This time i took the time clearing the content and maximizing my military strength. I didn;t import me2 toon the first time around and my god, i've never seen a game so bleak. It was death after death and i was already emotionally drained before i even reached earth. But replaying me2 and importing that toon made an entire difference to the whole experience.
I didnt quite like the first time i experienced the ending - the control ending to be more specific. But this time however, the ending feels a lot better or rather more fittingly. The story, after a through playthrough unfolds a lot better too. I chose synthesis (didn;t get this choice during my first pt) cause it fits into the story of my Sheperd and i think its the most 'happy' ending at the moment. Especially, considering that i lost so many crew members during my first PT - Miranda, Tali, Mordin etc. The way the story ends quite abruptly is actually quite fitting because it leaves you just enough time and room to ponder about things and let your imagination take over. It's not perfect but i'm more or less happy with it. Personally, i'm not as upset as i was after my first pt. It makes me happy that most of the guys are alive and safe. There is closure but obviously this varies from one person to another. I think a lot of things have been resolved; i helped cured the genophage and avoided the utter destruction of a race in the geth/quarian conflict. The deaths of Thane and Mordin were both tragic and poetic. I really appreciate the small talks with my crew - the time out session with Garrus was nicely done and the tali romance is particularly adorable. Can;t believe i let her die the first time haha. Anyways. if the indoctrination theory has any legs whatsoever then i throw my hats to you Bioware for pulling off one of the biggest twist in the gaming world. It actually makes sense now that i think about it. |
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Apr 5 2012, 11:14 AM
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For me, the speech before the final battle delivered by Admiral Hackett was supposed to be delivered by Shepard. I know Hackett position is higher but i feel it's more awesome if would be delivered by Shepard himself.
The ending sucks the most because your choices doesn't matter. All your choices accumulated throughout ME1 and ME2 does not have any closures. I agree that they should rework on the new ending and i know it's the 3rd series in a trilogy that they need to close the iconic Shepard in Mass Effect universe like what Assassin's Creed did. New ending should provide more scenes on the consequences or results of the choices we made and provide close up for Love Interest as well. |
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Apr 5 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 5 2012, 11:14 AM) For me, the speech before the final battle delivered by Admiral Hackett was supposed to be delivered by Shepard. I know Hackett position is higher but i feel it's more awesome if would be delivered by Shepard himself. Interesting. I found it quite the opposite. A lot of the decisions i made had impact in me3 and did have closures - some were left unanswered but most did end up fulfilled.The ending sucks the most because your choices doesn't matter. All your choices accumulated throughout ME1 and ME2 does not have any closures. I agree that they should rework on the new ending and i know it's the 3rd series in a trilogy that they need to close the iconic Shepard in Mass Effect universe like what Assassin's Creed did. New ending should provide more scenes on the consequences or results of the choices we made and provide close up for Love Interest as well. |
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Apr 5 2012, 11:51 AM
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'Mass Effect 3' Ending: DLC Will Not Change Finale Says EA, Survey Shows 58% 'Hate' Game's Conclusion
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Apr 5 2012, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 5 2012, 11:30 AM) Interesting. I found it quite the opposite. A lot of the decisions i made had impact in me3 and did have closures - some were left unanswered but most did end up fulfilled. I found most of the major ME1 and ME2 choices are focused around the genophage (keep maelons cure) and quarian/geth conflict (tali, legion) - the rest are resolved with e-mails, short cutscenes and mostly war assets. Plus theres also dlc consequence from project overlord - a cameo appearance if you spared the characters life..Really liked how the conrad verner quest is handled and linked to another sidequest in ME1 (which can be easily missed in flux/chora's den) - cheesy ending but its nice. Other major decisions that doesn't seem to have impact beyond war asset points - saving or sacrificing the council (me1), saving or destryoing the collector base (me2). |
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Apr 5 2012, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 5 2012, 01:07 PM) Really liked how the conrad verner quest is handled and linked to another sidequest in ME1 (which can be easily missed in flux/chora's den) - cheesy ending but its nice. gonna love the epic jump |
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Apr 5 2012, 01:48 PM
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Replaying another PT just to try out Vanguard class and Tali romance. Traynor looks interesting too. Damn on Wiki mentioned she's lesbo
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Apr 5 2012, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 5 2012, 01:07 PM) I found most of the major ME1 and ME2 choices are focused around the genophage (keep maelons cure) and quarian/geth conflict (tali, legion) - the rest are resolved with e-mails, short cutscenes and mostly war assets. Plus theres also dlc consequence from project overlord - a cameo appearance if you spared the characters life.. Funny that you mentioned that because i'm actually downloading me 1 from origin right now. I played me1 on the xbox eons ago and have completely forgotten the content. Gonna start another pt from me1 and see what i missed. But yeah, the internal conflicts and subplots are what makes the series a lot more interesting and gripping than just going up against the reaper.Really liked how the conrad verner quest is handled and linked to another sidequest in ME1 (which can be easily missed in flux/chora's den) - cheesy ending but its nice. Other major decisions that doesn't seem to have impact beyond war asset points - saving or sacrificing the council (me1), saving or destryoing the collector base (me2). |
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Apr 5 2012, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 5 2012, 02:27 PM) Funny that you mentioned that because i'm actually downloading me 1 from origin right now. I played me1 on the xbox eons ago and have completely forgotten the content. Gonna start another pt from me1 and see what i missed. But yeah, the internal conflicts and subplots are what makes the series a lot more interesting and gripping than just going up against the reaper. I remembered how ME1 impressed me when Shepard was promoted to Spectre status and motivating the crew. Wow |
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Apr 5 2012, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 5 2012, 02:41 PM) I remembered how ME1 impressed me when Shepard was promoted to Spectre status and motivating the crew. Wow wow.. i just went past that scene in my playthrough yesterday.. yup - moments like these make 'mass effect' so awesome. this round i am renegade shepard lol. |
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Apr 5 2012, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 5 2012, 02:51 PM) wow.. i just went past that scene in my playthrough yesterday.. ME1 was quite long too in terms of gameplay. I remembered using Mako and salvaged alot of stuffs from the planet. It was alot of hassle last time. You actually use Mako to kill Thresher Maws and find rare elements.yup - moments like these make 'mass effect' so awesome. this round i am renegade shepard lol. It has its fun and also frustrations. Now it was so simplified. No need go to Orbit and just scan from Planet. So easy. Hahah |
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Apr 5 2012, 03:38 PM
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Apr 5 2012, 04:04 PM
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How many dlcs does me1 has ? I only found one on origin - pinnacle station and a dodgy free dlc called 'bring down the sky'.
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Apr 5 2012, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 5 2012, 03:38 PM) i'll just repost this here. Heres something new for you to repost next time Or a better one » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by bobohead1988: Apr 5 2012, 04:13 PM |
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 5 2012, 04:10 PM) Heres something new for you to repost next time this one senses hostility. this one tells somebody to take a chill pill.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Or a better one » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Apr 5 2012, 04:20 PM |
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Apr 5 2012, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 5 2012, 04:04 PM) How many dlcs does me1 has ? I only found one on origin - pinnacle station and a dodgy free dlc called 'bring down the sky'. Only 2 - pinnacle station. and 'bring down the sky'.oooh and 'bring down the sky' is not dodgy at all - very good side quest (considering its free) where you decide the fate of a batarian (balak) and hostages - who may/may not appear in me3 - also affects batarian war asset. compulsory for ME fans. pinnacle station - is a tournament run thingy - completely optional. |
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Apr 5 2012, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 5 2012, 04:27 PM) Only 2 - pinnacle station. and 'bring down the sky'. Ahh thx, sounds like a good dlc. I should clarify that i said dodgy because it got me off looking around for the dlc cdkey during the installation. It's not even on Origin for some reason and apparently you have to contact ea for the cdkey. In any case, i got the cdkey from the bioware forum and its working good now.oooh and 'bring down the sky' is not dodgy at all - very good side quest (considering its free) where you decide the fate of a batarian (balak) and hostages - who may/may not appear in me3 - also affects batarian war asset. compulsory for ME fans. pinnacle station - is a tournament run thingy - completely optional. |
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 5 2012, 04:04 PM) How many dlcs does me1 has ? I only found one on origin - pinnacle station and a dodgy free dlc called 'bring down the sky'. ME1 only has 2 DLC. |
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Apr 5 2012, 07:16 PM
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you want a new ending?
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Apr 5 2012, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 5 2012, 05:55 PM) Ahh thx, sounds like a good dlc. I should clarify that i said dodgy because it got me off looking around for the dlc cdkey during the installation. It's not even on Origin for some reason and apparently you have to contact ea for the cdkey. In any case, i got the cdkey from the bioware forum and its working good now. Yes - in that in case, it IS dodgy and sloppy to install - a friend had to the same - its a hassle now.. wasn't the case when i bought and registered back in 2008... I think its not Origin probably because it's free - and knowing EA... well.. And shocking right? FREE dlc with about 1-2 hours of playability that has decisions and consequences - this was Bioware back in 2008. Added on April 5, 2012, 9:26 pm QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 5 2012, 07:16 PM) you want a new ending? Just as well.. not really pushing for a new one.. just REALLY curious how i'm going to build on the legend of Commander Shepard.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Added on April 5, 2012, 9:41 pmNewsflash: Free DLC due this summer will add new cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes. Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is real, arriving as free DLC for all versions of the game this summer. According to EA and BioWare the DLC will expand upon the events at the end of the game, adding new cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes. It will reportedly give fans deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes. "We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team," said Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare and general manager of EA's BioWare Label. "Since launch, we have had time to listen to the feedback from our most passionate fans and we are responding. With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team's artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe." Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series added: "We have re-prioritised our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player." Mass Effect 3 is out now on Xbox 360, PS3 and PC. The Extended Cut DLC will remain free until April 12, 2014. sos: http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/mass_eff...f_the_game.html http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11021386 This post has been edited by lyn_grayskale: Apr 5 2012, 09:41 PM |
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Apr 5 2012, 09:42 PM
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263 posts Joined: Jul 2010 From: Kuala Lumpur
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hahah ninja'd. regardless, can i have my cookie now?
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Apr 5 2012, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 5 2012, 09:42 PM) hahah ninja'd. regardless, can i have my cookie now? IT'S FREEEEEEEE!Due this Summer wtf. /flip table This post has been edited by hahli9: Apr 5 2012, 09:54 PM |
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Apr 5 2012, 09:55 PM
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BioWare Announces Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut!
Free* DLC Pack to Provide Additional Cinematic Scenes to the Ending of Mass Effect 3 this Summer REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- BioWare, a Label of Electronic Arts Inc. announced Mass Effect™ 3: Extended Cut, a downloadable content pack that will expand upon the events at the end of the critically acclaimed Action RPG. Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes. Coming this summer, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will be available for download on the Xbox 360® videogame and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and PC for no extra charge*. "We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team," said Dr. Ray Muzyka, Co-Founder of BioWare and General Manager of EA's BioWare Label. "Since launch, we have had time to listen to the feedback from our most passionate fans and we are responding. With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team's artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe." Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series added, "We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player." Read more here: http://investor.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=662095 And here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2295249 I dunno what to think about this |
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Apr 5 2012, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 5 2012, 09:55 PM) I dunno what to think about this Everything considered, it's the only logical choice. I'd love to see how they will the pull this off. A lot of huhaa on the official forum now about how IT is now debunked. |
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