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post Mar 31 2012, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 28 2012, 06:26 PM)
that master AI child very stupid...create synthetic...to harvest organic so synthetic created by organic being won't kill them....  rclxub.gif

now,

Master AI create synthetic -> Reaper

Organic being create synthetic -> Geths and so on
Reaper harvest Organic beings -> to avoid synthetic created by organic rebel against them

So....

Reaper = Synthetic -> kill and harvest organic = there is no cycle actually  doh.gif

they didn't realize they also synthetic....its me or really really really plain stupid cycles thought by Master AI ?  shocking.gif  rclxub.gif

if you guys understand what I trying to explain....errrr  unsure.gif
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The Reapers are synthesis being, not synthetic... they explained this in ME2 (the exoskeleton reaper = Reaper that mainly harvesting human)

IMHO, current ending is good enough, why purposely release another ending just to cater the fans/players? I believe we should respect the developers/writers decision for the endings smile.gif
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post Apr 1 2012, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(megnamon @ Mar 31 2012, 05:09 PM)
the problem wit ending is that...no closure or explaination...just liket tat...more to cliffhanger..and what about our decisions ? None of it were affected it  sweat.gif
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Errr, well they did closed it... the ending was allll about Shepard created a legend and been told forever ever after? tongue.gif

I won't say its a cliffhanger, it was just poorly done. They should have put up a short CGI for 3 different endings that shows the difference between the final choices we make tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 2 2012, 11:58 PM)
The ending was just laughably bad. What happens to all the other races that you brought to Earth to fight with you? They just get stranded since there are no more relays? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sounds like we ended the trilogy by making Shepard the Epic Retard.
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Shepard "reset-ed" the whole galaxy by blowing up the mass relays and stuff, thats why we see a scene where Normandy was escaping the blast... then finally crash-landed on one random uncharted world...

Not the best ending, but then, what is so bad about it?

I think most of the players are focusing too much on the "choices that influence the endings"; IMO, the "choices" that we make throughout the game affects the "paths" that brought us to the "endings". smile.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 3 2012, 08:27 AM)
Bullshit. How could they escape from the blast? There was no warning whatsoever? Are we just going to assume that they ran away? And what about teammates that went with you to go into the citadel(they disappeared after the laser creamed us)? How did they magically appear in the normandy at the end?

What is so bad about it? The choices that matter all came in the ending which is seriously retarded for a game like Mass Effect which has been touted as a player driven storyline. And the endings don't even differ much unless you count the colour of your catalyst explosion. And the whole explanation of synthetics protecting organics from synthetics by killing organics for other organics to grow is just...... I don't know what to say la. And the ending made Shepard look like an idiot too for not consulting anybody of his decision. And what's the point of making alliances and saving races if you don't know what happens to them in the end? You did this all for Joker? C'mon seriously, the ending was  so badly made and you can't hide the fact. Even Bioware knows it.
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Why put so much focus on the "endings"? Like I had said, the "choices" only affect the "paths" that bring us to the "endings". In this case, you could say the "ending" are fixed, each "choices" we make only deviate the "paths" towards the end. And this fulfills your so called "player driven storyline". You drive the storyline, but the alpha and omega are fixed.

And please remember, Reaper is NOT synthetics; they cannot function with only steels and circuits; their fluids/bloods are organics, so they are synthesis beings.

There is no warning on the blast, but then, Normandy has EDI and perhaps she can detect the power surge and warns Joker on it? And no, Shepard did not do this all for Joker, I guess it was just merely a coincidence that Joker managed to escape because he had Normandy (the best Alliance ship) and EDI (full fledged AI) with him.

I agree there are some broken parts like how timmy appears in Citadel, the origin of Master AI, how our teammate appears back in Normandy at the end, etc; they need to elaborate more on these parts. Aside from that, what is really so bad about it?

What are you all looking for? A super epic ending where Shepard pilot the Catalyst and blows all Reapers away?
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QUOTE(SteamieHP @ Apr 3 2012, 10:29 AM)
I believe what they want is closure. A proper closure to the series. I myself want a proper closure. Though there are some who want a 'happily ever after' ending.

Remember God of War 3? If you play through the series, you will find the ending itself probably was not what the fans expect it to be. But they add closure to it. Clarity.
Nevermind, Bioware is currently working on it.
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There is a closure, the "reset" thingy that i mentioned before. The problem is the players do not accept it. So now we are playing a players driven story game?

Like said, respect the makers decision and appreciate it.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM)
...That was no closure. If you consider that closure then I'm not sure what game you played lol. What happened to all the races in the end? With the Mass Relays gone, how did galactic civilisation fare? What happened to the Quarians? After all without the Mass Relays, all of their fleet is stuck in front of the Earth, it would take many, many generations to reach back to their homeworld.

There was no closure at all. The whole universe reset? Really? Is that what happened? If so, then I'd like to see how it turned out. How are the races now? Why the hell does EDI who already is a synthetic, have the synthetic skin thing that's present on organics if you choose the Synthesis option?

http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/
This guy explained it best. It was not a closure, it opened up more questions than it closed, if it even closed any.
Respecting the maker's decision and appreciating it is rubbish. You certainly as hell would not appreciate shit music or shit art. If some guy came on stage and started playing music that's shit, would you respect his decision and appreciate the music that you so undeniably believe is shit? Look, they are selling a game, they are not making it to please themselves, they are making it to please an audience. If your audience thinks it is shit, then it is shit. Period.
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The blast of all mass relays literally "wipe out" all races aka the whole galaxy, that's why I'm saying its a "reset" .

EDI represents synthetic while Joker represents organics, and you cant expect to synthesis both of them in 5 minutes, right?

I judge ME as a whole game, not only looking at the ending and certainly its one of the better games that i had played so far. Again, i prefer the makers original idea than any "fan services" that they put up just to "pleases" the fans base.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:49 PM

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That's why you see the scene where Normandy is escaping the blast.

As for EDI, maybe she can start pour out juices from her body? tongue.gif You cannot say she remains as synthetic just because her exterior didn't change much. Eg Reapers are synthesis beings yet they have machine body smile.gif

The wipe out ends the Reaper cycle and provides a zero start for the synthesis group (Joker and Co).
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:54 PM)
They didn't escape the blast. You quite obviously see the blast catch up to them at the end.  doh.gif
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Err, the crash landed scene?
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM)
Yeah, the blast caught up, hence crash. Otherwise there's no other reason they would crash amirite? ~_~
Unless you know, you thought Joker thought it would be a good idea to crash the Normandy on some planet in the middle of nowhere just because he felt like it.
And in the end the Synthesis option still makes the least sense. In Mass Effect, you helped the different races see past their differences and unite for a common cause. Then you go LOL LET'S MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME. HURHURHURHUR! Stupid.
Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do.
But the sad part is, no one wins in the end.
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Said many times, those choices you made are the paths towards the ending. They don't really affect the endings.
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:16 PM)
...And that's the problem isn't it?
Also, they do affect the endings. They might not have major cinematic differences but they do affect the endings. I have no idea whether you've even played the game at this point and are just a massive troll.

If you choose to Destroy then no more synthetics, no more reapers. Only organics.
If you choose to Control then everything is as it was, except Shepard is now Lord High Executioner (+1 to those who get reference) of the Galaxy.
If you choose to Synthesise then you just... Went against all you've accomplished in Mass Effect lmfao.
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For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? sweat.gif

The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM)
Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural?
Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory!

Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind.
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I'm just saying they didn't play a major role since 3 endings are very much the same tongue.gif

I wish they could let us play as Reapers though, Harby is fun since he can jump around controlling tongue.gif
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QUOTE(elixus @ Apr 4 2012, 02:14 AM)
It is not a player driven storyline if the alpha and omega are fixed. What motivation would you have of driving the story if the final outcome is going to be the same anyways? Bioware promised much more pre-ME3.

EDI warning the Normandy is too far-fetched. From the cinematic, it was shown that the blast took everybody by surprise, even the reapers. And what if EDI was there in the last surge to the Citadel? She would have got blasted off by the Reaper as well. And the synthesis ending was a whole load of horse shit. The difference was that every living thing got circuit tattoos? That doesn't even make sense at all. Shows how lazy they were when they couldn't even remodel EDI to look more human and Joker more synthetic. They just slapped on circuit textures and skins on everything. It definitely shows that the ending was just an afterthought. Can't believe you would even want to defend the ending.
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errr, I'm not really defending the ending. I agree the ending was poorly made, but the closing story they put up was not that bad. smile.gif

In short, they need to put more scenes to elaborate more on the endings tongue.gif
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post Apr 6 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Apr 6 2012, 11:13 AM)
it looks like we have more to look for after fans protested the ending and the company is giving out free DLCs this summer!

Free Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC To Give “More Closure” This Summer http://bit.ly/HlMI6M
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Well, I'm happy that they are only putting up the extended version of endings and not changing the endings just to pleased the fans smile.gif
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QUOTE(megnamon @ Apr 6 2012, 07:13 PM)
if that extended DLC only add more cinematics n cutscenes...i think more plotholes to be revealed since only extending whats left on crappy ending...even they explain what had happened to crew n galaxy , but that stupid master AI will always be in that ending doh.gif
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errr, what is so crappy on the ending? I mean, the idea was clear and easy to understand (well, at least I think I understand it tongue.gif ), but current cutscenes are very short thus many "plotholes" did not close properly. By releasing an extended version to close these holes should be sufficient, no?

As for the Master AI, I strongly believe BW intended to release DLC to "explain" the origin of it, which explains why he only appears last minute in the game tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Apr 13 2012, 07:15 PM)
Dude, she's made of metal. sweat.gif

If you hit it, you would be like clunk clunk clunk ow clunk game-over.
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Critical Mission Failed tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2012, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Archaven @ Apr 15 2012, 01:21 PM)
Honestly i felt they should make EDI more human-like. Because EDI possesed Dr. Eva's body. It's a human body honestly. And it'll be nice to be able to romance EDI. What's up with the camel-toe though? tongue.gif

My 2nd PT with Vanguard in hardcore still got my arse owned in final battle. So many Brutes, Banshees, Marauders. The final battle is not fun. It's been fun all way long until final battle.

It's about you getting owned and survival :S
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I thought Eva was an android? hmm.gif

 

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