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post Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 02:23 PM)
The rage about the endings is quite informative.

Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending?
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I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right?

I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007.

People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something.


Added on March 9, 2012, 5:29 pm
QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 05:15 PM)
Heh. That doesn't sound good for a game that sells itself on "CHOICES MATTER, THE GALAXY LIVES OR DIE BASED ON IT". The galaxy dies anyway, no matter what you do.

Inb4BrokenSteelDLCforME3togettherealending.  tongue.gif
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Now Fallout 3's ending... sucked hard.

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post Mar 11 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 10 2012, 01:38 PM)
*cough* Broken Steel DLC *cough*

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rolleyes.gif next we have people raging how EA is 'shallow' and 'money minded'.

Actually why they did it like that makes a lot of sense. One, Shepard is dead. They always said ME3 will be the end of Shepard's trilogy than spanned 5 years since ME1. Now they can make more games without worrying about putting him/her in as a cameo to please 'fans'.

Next, if it's all just a retelling by some granddad who sounds like Martin Sheen to his grandkid, the possibilities for stories is endless. No restrictions. The grandkid can just say 'tell me about the Skyllian Blitz' and BOOM, game.
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post Mar 11 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 11 2012, 10:18 PM)
I wished Khalisa Jilani replaced Diana Allers instead...
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Actually now you got me curious bout the dlc... wonder what its gonna be about. If it's like Shadow Broker, then bring it on.

Heck yeah, wouldn't mind her. I found Allers so useless.
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post Mar 12 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 12 2012, 04:44 PM)
To explain this,

You gain Galactic Readiness (GR) by playing multiplayer. GR is 50% by default
You gain Total Military Strength (TMS) by playing the single player campaign.
Effective Military Strength (EMS) will determine what ending you will get.

EMS = TMS x GR

If you're not into any multiplayer at all, all your TMS will be halved. Example, if you managed to amass 8000 TMS in single player mode, your EMS is only 4000 if you don't play multiplayer mode. However, if you do play multiplayer and you manage to get your GR to 100%, your EMS will be 8000.

How EMS will influence your ending
<4000 Bad ending
>4000 Good ending, however to get the best possible ending, you need to save Anderson
>5000 Best ending possible, without needing to save Anderson
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It is entirely possible to play SP only and get the 'best ending'. Best ending in quotations because technically they are all the same.
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post Mar 12 2012, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 09:39 PM)
yeah bro. i mean what's the point of making peace between the krogan, turians, geth & quarians if all i'd get in the end is a crash-landed Normandy?  doh.gif

i had hoped to see Liara's baby, Tali & Garrus's wedding and a goddamnit Shepard statue as big as Harbinger!

ok maybe i need to lie down now..  laugh.gif
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Have your imagination, and who knows what the future holds? wink.gif

I'm annoyed not by the ending but by the fact I cannot save in the command center. I want to hear these last words from them again damnit without having to be blinded by the damn Hades cannon!!


Added on March 12, 2012, 9:54 pmUgh nevermind I take that back. Once I hit the ground I could save.

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post Mar 12 2012, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:01 PM)
i also didn't like the London fight. AT ALL. from start to finish. felt it was kinda dull after Tuchanka & Rannoch..

and maybe because i kept getting raped by Brutes & Banshees. why u no stop chasing me?  vmad.gif
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LOL...

Enjoying the calm before the storm at the Forward Operating Base. DAMNNIT tearing up at Garrus and Shepard talking about meeting 'in the bar up there'! And Ashley. Guess they all know he ain't coming back, for good this time.
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post Mar 12 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:12 PM)
there's one other thing i don't get. what the heck was the Normandy doing in the end? outrunning the Crucible beam?

WHY???  rclxub.gif
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Er another imagination segment rolleyes.gif I put it together with how come Kaidan acts like he was on every mission in ME1 when I never took him out of the Normandy rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 12 2012, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Azurues @ Mar 12 2012, 10:26 PM)
banshee took a shit load of time to kill even with maximum upgraded sniper and armor piercing ammo, tank and the flying sheep is pretty much a 1 hit KO for me

and ending did suck but somewhat true if they didn't had such ending, the storyline will never end. Eventually, somebody will fight and Shepard have to be the universe saviour again and again.

And Kai Leng sucks. Too easy already prior to the final fight
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Yeah true, way to tie up all the loose ends by making things explode. Easy way, kill him/her.

Kai Leng... reading Ascension, I expected him to be different. Oh well.


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QUOTE(mukhlisz @ Mar 12 2012, 10:21 PM)
they even had a cliched lets look at the pretty sunset afterwards..  laugh.gif

i would have been happy if the ending only showed the Shepard hologram device that Liara made being played..  nod.gif
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That memories thing Liara made was really sweet and awesome! Loved that scene!

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post Mar 12 2012, 10:51 PM

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Why the crap did Matriach Aethyta call Shepard, Liara's 'Cerberus boyfriend'? He was never with Liara in my game doh.gif rejected her in ME1 too!
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post Mar 13 2012, 12:15 AM

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At the ending now. Gonna destroy. Thats what we've been trying to do since ME1, why stop now? Yeah, understand now that the game was great until the kid arrived. Maybe making Shepard collapse and be unable to activate the Crucible would have been depressing, but better in a way.
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post Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:23 AM)


The reason why most people got pissed with the last 10 minutes of the game  smile.gif
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Actually feel kinda hollow because 5 years of my life is over... no more Shepard. Damn sad since I played ME1 about 10 times to the end, ME2 2 1/2 and ME3? Sure more.

I also feel damn sad that taking Garrus and Liara meant they got vaporized by the Reaper. DAMNIT!!

Also the kid was unnecessary... I do prefer it ending before the kid. Reapers win, end story. Or Shepard dying breath manage to magically activate the Crucible then get blown up and die. Hm then he wouldn't know he would be dooming the galaxy to a dark age... ehehe.


Added on March 13, 2012, 12:35 am
QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM)
That is why the hallucination theory is so popular.

Or alternatively, he managed to survive both the explosion of the Citadel and atmospheric re-entry into Earth to land in London.
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Well he has been dreaming about the kid, at the end of the last dream he hugs the kid. Significance? I dunno. Then the kid says 'wake up'. Who knows? But if its a hallucination, how did he trigger the Crucible?

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post Mar 13 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 13 2012, 12:36 AM)
That right there is preferable to the mess we got right now. Because at least it makes sense.

I feel you bro. It's like an end to an era.  sad.gif

EDIT: @hallucination
Fan-theory goes that he didn't trigger the Crucible. It was all an attempt by Harbringer to indoctrinate Shepard into siding with the Reapers. Or something. It gets rather messy.
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Oh well... have to accept the ending. My imagination can suffice but its kinda hard to imagine Shepard being alive. I prefer him being dead... been prepared for that since ME1.

sad.gif end of an era... 5 years of my life spent in anticipation and enjoyment. Argh.

Hm... makes sense also. I mean I get the whole overlord over synthetic and organic life crap but why that kid? He should have stayed in the dreams and guilt-tripped Shepard. The overlord could have been some AI.

And bloody Harbinger, thanks for killing Garrus and Liara!! I should have taken Vega and EDI! Then I wouldn't have to kill EDI as collateral damage.

EDIT:

I don't think there is any doubt what Joker was doing. He was probably in orbit around Earth fighting the Reapers, saw the Sol relay go BOOM and tried to get the hell outta there. Maybe he was close to it to explain the proximity. I just wonder where they ended up? Nice planet.

The squadmates who were with you got vaporized obviously. Thanks BioWare, I didn't expect that to happen sad.gif My Garrus and Liara... my fav characters... cry.gif


I'm happy to see intelligent debate rather than mindless rage.

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post Mar 13 2012, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:51 AM)
Maybe it should've been like this?  hmm.gif
I just had catharsis watching that ending.


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Just the ending in my head smile.gif Hey I created an ending in my head for KotOR and its sequel, I can certainly erase 10 mins from my memory!


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post Mar 14 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Katsuke @ Mar 14 2012, 03:05 AM)
....Omg lah. I HATE KIDS.
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whistling.gif me too.
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post Mar 14 2012, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(ray148 @ Mar 14 2012, 06:13 PM)
hmm...how does the leaked ending plays out anyway?
can someone story me tl;dr version.
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Judging from the script, about the same. Notably, Anderson's talk with Shepard is cut short.
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 11:54 AM)
OK the endings sucked.  I'm not making apologies for bioware because they did drop the ball towards the end of the game.

I'm on my 2nd playthrough, after finishing the 1st playthrough on the PC with a ME1&2 imported save, and the moral choices that you make are even bleaker with "canon" shepard conditions.

You never helped subject zero come to terms with the crap that she went through so no Jack at Grissom academy, so some students will die.

Wrex is dead, so you pretty much screw yourself and everyone else by curing the Genophage because Wreav is in charge.  No matter what you do, Eve will die.  Mordin lives and you get the Salarian fleet if you lie about curing the Genophage.

Thane - dead, so he doesn't come to rescue the Salarian councilor from kailan.  So if you cured the Genophage, you're stuck without a Salarian fleet.  You also miss out on his sadding and emotional death scene.

No Samara, so there's no real context in that ardat-yakshi mission apart from introducing banshees as enemies.

Canon Shepard never met legion or saved tali from being exiled.  Essentially, you're forced to make a genocidal decision either way and there's no way you can broker peace between geth and quarrian.  I suppose causing the extinction of one species is no biggie since canon shepard has already killed off the last Rachni queen anyway.

bullet point: It's really hard to play paragon canon Shepard.

I suppose all this can be seen as rewarding players who played and enjoyed the prequels.  Seeing the contrast between import and no import really helped me to see how my paragon shepard's decisions helped shaped the ME universe and and appreciate how they closed off the various storylines.  The point I'm making in this post is that apart from the tricolour ending, ME3 was pretty much one long endgame right from the start.  My Femshep has never been shaped by the familiar RPG trope thats about levelling up, collecting party members and gear to save world etc.  It's always been about how her character has been shaped by all those decisions involving her friends, races and worlds that she's encountered.

To say what you do at the end doesn't matter is bullshit because i cured the genophage and helped the Krogan into a new renaissance, helped the Geth evolve to true sentient beings, brought peace to the geth and quarrians and basically united ALL the races.  That is a pretty legendary feat.

Considering you spend the last talky area saying goodbye to practically everyone you've ever worked with in the ME3, particularly in that ridiculous quantum telephone room where everyone you call just so happens to be home.  Shepard had to die.

3 button ending? Fine.  So i picked the control ending which meant that all the decisions I made could take effect, the humans, turians, asaris - everyone basically could rebuild in peace as I'd saved the galaxy from the reapers, I'd broken the 50k cycle.
AND THEN THEY DO THE BLUE EXPLOSION SHIT..

So basically I enjoyed 98% of the game, and that final 2% troll ending really pissed me off.
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Agreed. But the problem is, with the relays gone, how does galactic life move on? Seeing how we've depended on the relays. As Vigil said in ME1, we developed along the paths they desired. Our governments were centred at the Citadel. Easy prey for the Reapers.

ME3's ending just shook up my understanding of the whole Reaper thing. Suddenly the Citadel is the Catalyst. Wooookay.

I enjoyed ME3's journey. Enjoying it again finding snippets of dialogue I missed the first time. I am interested in starting from ME1 again and playing a Renegade, saving Kaidan vs Ashley, romancing someone else, saving the Rachni Queen, Collector Base and Heretics, etc. I actually have to restart from ME1 again to change things in ME3.

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post Mar 19 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 12:40 PM)
Yeah, according to choice you were given, the relays weren't meant to be destroyed in the control or synthesis endings.  So i take it they weren't destroyed irrespective of what the lazy pre rendered 3 colour cutscene showed.  Besides, even if the relays are broken you can still communicate through the bad science fiction of quantum entanglement and presumably fix them.  But I'm trying hard here not to fall into the denial trap and start creating desperate fan fiction to try to rationalise what wasn't very good science fiction in the first place.

In my game I died in the believe that everything I did up to that moment was in line with my paragon character.  After that point, there's no more role-play, you're dead. 

I think I would just mod the save game if i were you.  I really didn't enjoy all that planet scanning and exploration "content" crap they had in the 1st 2 games.  UGH.

Re saving Rachni Queen, there's no other benefit other than Rachni being really useful in the construction of the crucible.
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Yeah, I miss the engine rendered cutscenes from ME1. I can't imagine how good the cutscenes would have looked rendered in game versus using some grainy Star Wars looking footage. They would have been clearer as well.

I believe the quantum entanglement technology is still in its infancy at that point in ME3. In ME2, the Normandy was one of the the only ships equipped. Not to say the colonies/cities are like ships but its something to think about.

The indoctrination theory kinda gives my imagination room to maneuver tongue.gif I have heart they will do something about the endings. The neverending shitstorm (Udina's words in ME2 ring true. 'Do the words political SHITSTORM mean anything to you Commander?') is starting to get featured on CNN and other major news hubs.

Heh true too... I couldn't stand Mako exploring in ME1, couldn't stand endless scanning in ME2 (managed to avoid it for the most part) and fetch quests in ME3 (although it can be argued ME2 is one very good and very big fetch quest).

Sigh Rachni Queen is one of those 'OH SHIT' decisions. Save her and let her go and she kills Aralakh Company. Kill her and her successor goes batshit crazy if you leave her there. Release her and she turns on you and Aralakh. Really no 'good' ending to that tale.

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post Mar 19 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Mar 19 2012, 02:01 PM)
Actually, I did get the good ending for Rachni queen.  I didn't kill her in the first one because she promised she would leave forever.  She gets captured by the reapers which means I have to save her sorry ass.  The good ending is that while aralakh company does die while holding off the modified rachni, Grunt who leads aralakh company doesnt.  You meet him again at the end of the game.  Also, I get aralakh company as a war asset even if that team died.  The Rachni Queen becomes a war asset in the completion of the crucible, to get vengeance on the reapers.  Everyone wins.

Yeah QE phones are rare in ME2 but apparently everyone has one now.  It's hilarious at the end when you go into that room with the communicator and you're able to pretty much speak with everyone you've ever met.
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What? Aralakh company as an asset after they're decimated? Damn Grunt nearly gave me a heart attack. I was so sure he was a goner! Then he comes up all bloodied and a 'big goddamn hero' to use Zaeed's words.

Yes the ending with the communicator was too convenient. I suppose its easier than trying to explain how they all ended up on Earth just to talk to Shepard.


Added on March 19, 2012, 5:48 pm
QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 19 2012, 02:26 PM)
Bioware pre-announcing $9.99 DLC with alternate ending to Mass Effect 3?

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/294158,bi...re-closure.aspx
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Still no confirmation, just 'gathering data'. Like EDI huh? Gathering data on us.

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post Mar 20 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Mar 20 2012, 10:43 AM)
I personally enjoy the MP. And while I agree it sucks that you have to play the MP to get 4000EMS, you could just use a save file editor to increase your EMS if you absolutely don't want to play it.
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I got 3.9k without multiplayer. At the end I decided to play MP to raise it above 5k after reading some endings guides.
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post Mar 20 2012, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Mar 20 2012, 09:22 PM)
Thats why people are pissed. Mass Effect 3 is a very well crafted game, except the ending.
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It was beautiful until after Shepard collapsed at the control panel. THEN it quickly became bad and went to worse.

Before that scene, it was tough to decide if ME2 or ME3 was my favourite. I love the squad dynamic in ME2 but the actual main quests were so short. Still the side quests and companion quests plus amazing DLC like Shadow Broker made up for it.

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