Make that MeeGo too. Nokia is fighting a war with 2 fronts - Symbian users and MeeGo users disgusted that Nokia is dropping their platforms to focus on WP7. Why not go multiplatform? Look at Samsung, they have Android, WP7, Bada and Tizen coming soon.

Actually, I mentioned this quite long ago and suggested to Nokia before, they should have plans like porting the purchases to new OS platform when they switch, or at least give some rebates, discount or something like that.

It's simple. If I've been supporting Nokia with Symbian, now Nokia wishes me to adapt to Windows Phone. Why should I switch if I'm loosing everything and starts fresh? When I can... venture into Android or iOS with better games and less problems. With iOS, I don't have to worry about Apple dropping iOS? With Android, I can easily switch to Samseng, HTC, LG, etc. and my purchases still there.

It's not optimize, but I feel it's more stable and reliable than Symbian. At least for me; when I need to make a call ANYTIME, I can rely on N9 anytime and it's easy and fast to access to calls or SMS. But Symbian sometimes it can be slow a bit to respond, Android is the worst....

I won't blame MeeGo much, but Nokia in not putting enough effort and manpower. It's just like Maemo, it has so much potential, a powerful Linux OS in a mobile device, with flexible Desktop (not your typical homescreen), flexible customizable widgets (e.g. Queen Beacon Widgets), excellent browser where you can activate mouse icon, and just so much more. If you use it, and look at the development update progress, it's very clear that they're not putting enough effort and manpower to this. Maemo and MeeGo is like their backup, adopted baby, thus not given enough attention.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 12:50 pmYup, that's what I also said previously, go multi-platform. But their plans of going purely Windows Phone OS is suspicious. Abandon their MeeGo project despite invested so much? And Symbian despite their Belle has shown improvements and some users are actually happy with it?
Choose WP instead when most preferred Android?
It's all just doesn't make sense and too suspicious; Hence, back then when the partnership was announced, rumors circulating was, "infiltrate and attack from the inside and finally..."


This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 12:50 PM

Ya lah, the rumors are saying Elop is trojan horse from Microsoft.

ok, back to n9. Our n9 can attach files to forums or not? Yesterday i try with the advert pic, stock browser & firefox also cannot.

nope, it is optimized. Optimized = drawing more performance from the chip. Previously, Symbian 3 was not optimized, you see lagging here and there, whereby you don't see much lags on N9, not as far as i experienced.
as for what you are saying, it's stability. I have to say, it's a brand new OS coming to the market, and sadly, there aren't many users as other phones to give a more progressive and useful bug report, so yeah, for now, i think stability wise it's still incomparable with some other OS, but over the time it will catch up. BTW i'm more concern on Android on N9, that will really make me interested in it, again. As of now Meego aint really attractive to me apart of the smoothness and the swipe gestures

Do you think it Andriod apps will lag badly on N9?

nope, what i mean there is i will be more interested in Android running on N9.
Whether it will be lagging on Android? no one can tell, as far as i know, based on the youtube video, it doesn't have a proper video driver yet, meaning everything is running on CPU, even the launcher is lagging badly, but the Alpha release will of course include a running version of the GPU driver for N9, and i personally think it will at least run through basic features smoothly. The rest will really depend on how optimized the ROM is, which again, no one can tell right now.

So your conclusion is that in a quater that saw iPhone & Android phones dominate sales like crazy, the 1 mil sales of Lumia is a disaster? Can you conclude that so early that it's done? Let me know, what was Android's sharemarket just 2 years back?

Elop putting a cutoff date is seen as a big mistake which I agree. That practically killed most future Symbian sales even though Belle is such a huge change & improvement.


Haha! Bro did you realise you spelled Samsung as 'Samseng'? OMG!!!

Yeah, why didn't Nokia think of giving rebates, discounts or something. That would have made A LOT of ppl happy.

Oh well, we'll see end of this year how things work out & IF there's still a Nokia around. Honestly all these management decisions we can debate all year long but nothing will come to change of it since they surely don't listen to us. So most of the time I tend to not bother discussing it since it's really rather pointless.


Oh so that's what you mean by optimised. Well I guess Nokia Belle is optimised now to you? It is to me as I have pretty much no lag now on my N8. For the N9, yes the ability to run ICS definitely is one of the main reasons I bought it. It was that or Alien Darvik which unfortunately seems to have gone dead or something. But the main draw for the N9 to me was the multitasking, how it's integrated into your use flow, instead of something u need to invoke to find. Like the designer of Swipe UI said, you can decide where you want to do next & go straight there, instead of always having to go out of your house & come back through the front door just to get from the bedroom to the kitchen. That was a swipe at any mobile OS that uses a HOME button.

It's too soon to worry about that. First, get a working version then optimize it. N9 has 1 GB memory which should help. Even N900 with only 256MB of memory can run Android successfully.

yes i do mean that, and to me Belle is very optimized. But, there're always room for improvement (greedy consumer mindset). IMO Windows phone will sell, BUT, only if they allow the device to be plugged in as a media device, which allow easy drag and drop for picture/songs etc, and allow pictures, audio note to be shared through wireless connections like Bluetooth. All these are already available in other nokia devices but the Lumia. Sure, recent updates brings offline navigation, which IMO is not bad, but does it allow us to adjust the route setting? (faster route, shorter route, allow toll roads, etc)
without those, we are pretty much being screwed with only the default options. We might ended up spending toll money, when there are some other route that uses same time but doesnt require tolls.
there are so so much more.. in short term, WP will not sell well, we'll have to see how Apollo change the game, but personally I won't be putting high hope on that

Haha yeah always room for improvement. But for my N8 I guess it's kind of end of the road for it, sadly. I wonder if I'll get a 808 end of the year to replace it, haven't decided yet.

We'll see if mass storage mode does get added to WP. If Nokia & MS are serious then they should know what to do. Else as usual, the consumer will let them know by rejecting their product.

I'm not sure of route settings are included or not in the latest update. No mention on Nokia Conversations also here.

After reading such debates.. I have an eerie feeling that Nokia will "revisit" Meego and progress even further from there on rather than the current partnership with microsoft.. just a feeling...

As much as I wish this will happen I think it is unlikely. Nokia has already bet the company on WP and there is no turning back. It will live or die with WP. Nokia is in the process of dismantling their Symbian and MeeGo development teams. It won't be able to make a U-turn simply because it won't have the time before its cash runs out.

Nokia lost 1 billion euro in 2011. 90% of that loss was in Q4 when Lumia was launched. If sales of Lumia doesn't ramp up tremendously in 2012 to compensate for sharply declining Symbian sales Nokia is doomed.

Although it may seem perverse MeeGo users actually should hope that Nokia has enough success with WP7 to keep it alive so that production on N9 can continue.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 03:04 PM

well, unless Elop is no longer the CEO. even that, the damage done to Symbian and Meego is hard to recover, previously they fired a lot of Meego and Symbian devs, just hope they can find more talents to help them on that.

N9 has 1GB amount of ram. I think it will be a plus point as I notice Android consume and requires a lot of ram. SE doesn't have dual core device until recently, their Androids only packs 512MB of ram and is suffering, especially when you customize the homescreen and install more services. It frequently restarts the launcher, etc. I hate when the OS gets too smart in killing apps, but there's just not enough ram.

As a phone, one thing is should do it, the basic phone feature and home should always easily accessible. When we press HOME, it should immediately go back, just like iPhone, it doesn't matter if the apps lag or not; Manufacturer's need to know the priority of a phone is the phone function, and also the home, we should easily go back to home and easily access to our contacts and make phone calls, etc.
Most people complains is when they receive a call when they're doing something and the phone just lags and cannot respond immediately, or when they want to make calls half way or access SMS, it lags and respond slow. These are the critical and most important factors.


Yes, Nokia is "PaiKia", Samsung is "Samseng Kia", hehehe.
and now we have Lumia
S: Ni hp ape?
N: Ni Nokia Lumia.
S: Bukan I mia lah, I tanya ni hp ape?
N: Betul lah tu! Ni Nokia Lumia lah...
S: Bukan la, I guna Samseng mia.
N: #@#@#$%#...

Yeap, it's pointless, it's just to release our "unhappiness" lol
Anyway, for bloggers and reviewers, what they write can become important especially when their blogs or article are famous, so what they write can really contribute to the decision or changes. Hence, why I state that they should be considerate and think more about everyone; For this case, Nokia, they should consider current users most importantly, not asking them to leave or say things like, it's not suitable for them; more so, when these things are actually easily solvable. It's just requires Microsoft attention and take a "small" action. These are not major change or something serious, it's a simple modification of feature, and it doesn't take a lot of effort at all, just a matter of "management decision".

u mean the application lag? of course.. when a phone call happens, there are so many things that actually triggers in a phone. First, they need to bring the app you are using into a freeze state(or pause state), and most the application have their own things to do when their program are being transferred to pause state, like for games, saving the state, pausing the actual game, etc. Then, they need to load the UI for the phone call screen, populate, receive the info of the caller and populate in the screen, then start waiting for user respond. So many things to be done in matter of second, sometimes when you are playing game or using resource heavy apps, this can be very taxing as the paused app resource will need to be move to cache or even release if there aren't enough memory. Yeah, more ram will most likely help. but based on my own experience, 1GB ram also not quite enough. There are the rams that are allocated for the video chip, for Tegra II case it's 256MB, there are applications or game that uses more then that also, so if you happen to be on one, and having another in the background, it will still lag, because the way android handles applications, they dont destroy it unless they really need that extra ram, as they mention initializing the application again is very performance taxing

After they did this to all Maemo, MeeGo and Symbian team/staff, it's hard to turn back and call back. Even back then, N900 gain many positive reviews, many countries wanted it, the launch in HK was big event, India local Linux mags write more than 7 pages about it with so many information, and that was like only covering half of it. In around the web, people are sourcing the device which Nokia didn't plan to release. At first, they never plan to launch in Asia Pacific, few Malaysian inquire including me, some mailed to Nokia UK and later received reply that it will not be released in APAC. With that, I have no choice to go for AP, and after some time, they finally decided to launch in APAC. Before that, there're AP sets selling in LYN for above RM3K.
Anyway, in maemotalk forum, there're few senior user who works for Nokia and some is ex-Nokia US staff.
I mean, with all these and also the great community in maemotalk forum developing so many potential and FREE apps for Maemo; I don't see or get the reason for them to abandon it, there is great and skilled developers there and willing to contribute for FREE.
Where do you find a big community of people which are skilled and readily available? The platform is promising, the resources are available, it's just whether they willing to put in effort and invest.
To me, it just doesn't make sense. With Windows Phone, they're like trying to source and attract more developers.

And for Symbian, Nokia has local development team in few countries. What will happen to these development team? I'm not so sure, but I was told Nokia will have one for Windows Phone, so I suppose these people will need to switch to Windows Phone development.

Android eats RAM like nothing so yeah, hopefully 1GB will make Android on N9 run smooth enough. Don't even start bout SE, their Timescape UI is a horrible memory eater.

ROFLMAO!!!!

Haha, yeah, unfortunately that "management decision" chain is still very long & still takes ages to see end of the tunnel, on MS side.

Yes, the changes required to make WP7 more acceptable are not major but it is outside of Nokia's control. Nokia went from os which they can fully control (Symbian & MeeGo) to an os which they cannot control (WP7) and they bet their life on it.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 3:24 pmI think the video chip has its own RAM. 512MB is the minimum to run Android and even then it is not very smooth.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 03:24 PM

Application lag is acceptable, the phone UI, home UI should always be available and fast, like iOS; That's why reason why iOS has little complain, most people get annoyed when they phone rings, and the phone hangs or respond very slowly, they can't answer, or SMS.
They should set high ram requirement or do something, then put home and phone UI in highest priority or always loaded. By right it shouldn't never be killed, I often see the home launcher restart, but seeing the low ram available,no choice, but for general users, they don't understand why and will complain. Even if we understand or know, it's still annoying. Using Android with high ram like 768MB, there're usually over 200MB free ram available.
With 512MB, there're like less than 100MB available, if you have more services running, it'll be like around 50MB available; When you run a game or app, it will kill those process to get more ram.

Anyway, to make things simple, since it's a phone, the phone processes should be on high priority and always accessible anytime; This is will better user experience and less complain. This also mean the same for HOME, as they need to go to HOME first before accessing to phone. In either case, HOME should still be quickly easily access, this also will improve the user experience, just like iOS. But because the home is killed, when you press HOME, it will restart the home launcher and you need to wait, and it will slowly populate the home. For technical users, they know what's going on, but for most general users, they don't, but whichever the case, it's not a nice experience. Thus for Android, a higher ram will give much better experience; Using my 512MB vs another 768MB ram Android, it makes a whole lots of difference.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 3:34 pmYup, SE Timescape, it's nice, but their device has low ram....
e.g. Xperia Play - where's the fun when it always lag.
What's the point when people don't use Timescape as the device cannot support it properly?


True, not very smooth not to mentioned the providers like Sony, Samseng, HTC all have their own process or services which will contribute further to take away the ram.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 03:34 PM

The pattern of abandoning promising products is repeated with MeeGo. The N9 is the first Nokia phone in a long time to create so much excitement. It garnered positive reviews far and wide. Instead taking this success and running with it Nokia refused to sell N9 in all its major markets for fear it will cannibalize Lumia sales. If Lumia is good why should Nokia worry? Instead of giving users choice Nokia tried to ram WP7 down their throats.