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 Nokia N9 - V03 - [Fluidity King For Nokia], Let~~~ SWIPE~~~ all~~~ the~~~ way~~~

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post Mar 21 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 21 2012, 11:57 AM)
The thing is, Nokia can have 2 OS if they want. Then everybody happy,thry can try get back some from western market while maintaining the existing customers.
If look at nokia support discussions, even those from europe, japan complain abt the zune, skydrive and increased data rates. 1st question ppl ask, 'if nokia pay for my monthly data usage than can consider all this skydrive'.
As for iphone, studies have shown iphone users very loyal to iphone. Latest from my nokia blog is iphone users 90% remain with iphone
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because of the money they spend on buying apps, i suppose. For me it's the same, i spend money to buy quite a number of apps too, thinking that i would lost all of them if i move to Android.. sometimes just saddens me
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post Mar 21 2012, 12:09 PM

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honestly, i agree on the above when you guys said that Lumia 800 and 710 are rushed, look at the Wifi hotspot feature, recently announced and will have update, Maps too, you check on the Lumia 900 prototype unit and the Nokia Maps they are running from, you will know that there are still MANY features that are yet to be included into the phone. Right now, that phone is just a toy that has basic features, whereby N9? optimized, but lacking of apps. Honestly, if only N9 have at least whatsapp, this phone will still be selling well.
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post Mar 21 2012, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 21 2012, 12:24 PM)
Of course it's rushed, 8 month from nothing to market. But then again it's actually Nokia's fault since WP by itself supports WIFI hotspot & is available on other manufacturer WP phones like HTC Radar & HTC Titan.

I actually don't agree N9 is optimised. It's buggy, way more buggy than my N8 even during Symbian Anna time. Can't sync my contacts with Ovi sync, used BT to transfer contacts from old phone only to find out that N9 doesn't support multiple fields of the same type. For eg, a contact have mobile, mobile(work) & mobile(home). Only mobile gets transfered while the other 2 fields go MIA. Only way to sync properly? Go through Ovi sync, but guess what? It doesn't work prior to PR1.2!!!  doh.gif

PR1.2 fixed most but introduced some other very annoying bugs like buggy video playback, web browser hang in background not able to kill. I haven't been able to go more than 3 days without having to reboot my N9. I also can't replace my N8 as my media server since DLNA video playback is darn buggy for now.
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nope, it is optimized. Optimized = drawing more performance from the chip. Previously, Symbian 3 was not optimized, you see lagging here and there, whereby you don't see much lags on N9, not as far as i experienced.
as for what you are saying, it's stability. I have to say, it's a brand new OS coming to the market, and sadly, there aren't many users as other phones to give a more progressive and useful bug report, so yeah, for now, i think stability wise it's still incomparable with some other OS, but over the time it will catch up. BTW i'm more concern on Android on N9, that will really make me interested in it, again. As of now Meego aint really attractive to me apart of the smoothness and the swipe gestures
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post Mar 21 2012, 01:53 PM

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nope, what i mean there is i will be more interested in Android running on N9.
Whether it will be lagging on Android? no one can tell, as far as i know, based on the youtube video, it doesn't have a proper video driver yet, meaning everything is running on CPU, even the launcher is lagging badly, but the Alpha release will of course include a running version of the GPU driver for N9, and i personally think it will at least run through basic features smoothly. The rest will really depend on how optimized the ROM is, which again, no one can tell right now.
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post Mar 21 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 21 2012, 02:01 PM)
So your conclusion is that in a quater that saw iPhone & Android phones dominate sales like crazy, the 1 mil sales of Lumia is a disaster? Can you conclude that so early that it's done? Let me know, what was Android's sharemarket just 2 years back?

Elop putting a cutoff date is seen as a big mistake which I agree. That practically killed most future Symbian sales even though Belle is such a huge change & improvement.
Haha! Bro did you realise you spelled Samsung as 'Samseng'? OMG!!!  laugh.gif

Yeah, why didn't Nokia think of giving rebates, discounts or something. That would have made A LOT of ppl happy.  thumbup.gif

Oh well, we'll see end of this year how things work out & IF there's still a Nokia around. Honestly all these management decisions we can debate all year long but nothing will come to change of it since they surely don't listen to us. So most of the time I tend to not bother discussing it since it's really rather pointless.
Oh so that's what you mean by optimised. Well I guess Nokia Belle is optimised now to you? It is to me as I have pretty much no lag now on my N8. For the N9, yes the ability to run ICS definitely is one of the main reasons I bought it. It was that or Alien Darvik which unfortunately seems to have gone dead or something. But the main draw for the N9 to me was the multitasking, how it's integrated into your use flow, instead of something u need to invoke to find. Like the designer of Swipe UI said, you can decide where you want to do next & go straight there, instead of always having to go out of your house & come back through the front door just to get from the bedroom to the kitchen. That was a swipe at any mobile OS that uses a HOME button.  laugh.gif
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yes i do mean that, and to me Belle is very optimized. But, there're always room for improvement (greedy consumer mindset). IMO Windows phone will sell, BUT, only if they allow the device to be plugged in as a media device, which allow easy drag and drop for picture/songs etc, and allow pictures, audio note to be shared through wireless connections like Bluetooth. All these are already available in other nokia devices but the Lumia. Sure, recent updates brings offline navigation, which IMO is not bad, but does it allow us to adjust the route setting? (faster route, shorter route, allow toll roads, etc)
without those, we are pretty much being screwed with only the default options. We might ended up spending toll money, when there are some other route that uses same time but doesnt require tolls.
there are so so much more.. in short term, WP will not sell well, we'll have to see how Apollo change the game, but personally I won't be putting high hope on that
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post Mar 21 2012, 03:01 PM

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well, unless Elop is no longer the CEO. even that, the damage done to Symbian and Meego is hard to recover, previously they fired a lot of Meego and Symbian devs, just hope they can find more talents to help them on that.
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post Mar 21 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 03:06 PM)
N9 has 1GB amount of ram. I think it will be a plus point as I notice Android consume and requires a lot of ram. SE doesn't have dual core device until recently, their Androids only packs 512MB of ram and is suffering, especially when you customize the homescreen and install more services. It frequently restarts the launcher, etc. I hate when the OS gets too smart in killing apps, but there's just not enough ram.
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u mean the application lag? of course.. when a phone call happens, there are so many things that actually triggers in a phone. First, they need to bring the app you are using into a freeze state(or pause state), and most the application have their own things to do when their program are being transferred to pause state, like for games, saving the state, pausing the actual game, etc. Then, they need to load the UI for the phone call screen, populate, receive the info of the caller and populate in the screen, then start waiting for user respond. So many things to be done in matter of second, sometimes when you are playing game or using resource heavy apps, this can be very taxing as the paused app resource will need to be move to cache or even release if there aren't enough memory. Yeah, more ram will most likely help. but based on my own experience, 1GB ram also not quite enough. There are the rams that are allocated for the video chip, for Tegra II case it's 256MB, there are applications or game that uses more then that also, so if you happen to be on one, and having another in the background, it will still lag, because the way android handles applications, they dont destroy it unless they really need that extra ram, as they mention initializing the application again is very performance taxing
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 03:30 PM)
Application lag is acceptable, the phone UI, home UI should always be available and fast, like iOS; That's why reason why iOS has little complain, most people get annoyed when they phone rings, and the phone hangs or respond very slowly, they can't answer, or SMS.
They should set high ram requirement or do something, then put home and phone UI in highest priority or always loaded. By right it shouldn't never be killed, I often see the home launcher restart, but seeing the low ram available,no choice, but for general users, they don't understand why and will complain. Even if we understand or know, it's still annoying. Using Android with high ram like 768MB, there're usually over 200MB free ram available.
With 512MB, there're like less than 100MB available, if you have more services running, it'll be like around 50MB available; When you run a game or app, it will kill those process to get more ram.

Anyway, to make things simple, since it's a phone, the phone processes should be on high priority and always accessible anytime; This is will better user experience and less complain. This also mean the same for HOME, as they need to go to HOME first before accessing to phone. In either case, HOME should still be quickly easily access, this also will improve the user experience, just like iOS. But because the home is killed, when you press HOME, it will restart the home launcher and you need to wait, and it will slowly populate the home. For technical users, they know what's going on, but for most general users, they don't, but whichever the case, it's not a nice experience. Thus for Android, a higher ram will give much better experience; Using my 512MB vs another 768MB ram Android, it makes a whole lots of difference.
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actually, believe or not, iOS also has phone lags, for instance, when you got a phone call, sometimes the "slide to answer" doesnt work, you slide your finger across the screen, but the touch input is not detected.
Sometimes, after sliding to end(phone answered), the screen will hang there will the slider at the right edge of the slider, meaning slider to answer edi, and wait around 3-5 seconds only change to the typical phone call screen.
there are also times when you wanna call, you press on the contact, it will highlight the contact on touch, hang there few seconds, then only start calling.

when you screen is not locked, you get the "Answer" and "reject" button. my experience is that there are times when you press answer, the phone also takes few seconds to respond. and upon hanging up the phone call(press cancel button ) it will hang there will all the button shaded, longest i seen was around 1 minute hang on my gf's phone. and some of this happens rarely, while some of these happens on daily basis.

Message, no complain, apart from it lags the application to death.

I believe what your friend complain on the lag, is when the message come and the notification shows. 3-5 seconds before the notification shows, your game will drop to slideshow speed, then show the notification, then suddenly run smooth again, and recent experience, my character fell into a hole in Temple Run. all these are common stuffs on smartphone, but as far as i can recall, Symbian was the best in this, it doesnt have very noticeable performance drop


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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 04:01 PM)
True, MeeGo Harmattan was supposedly Maemo successor; Those Maemo users, developers is looking forward to it; then they're all being given a premature born baby to take care and support "again", after so long waiting, history repeats itself, DeJaVu.

Yup, it's very obvious, they know people will go for N9 instead. Since the same applied for 808 which are not competition to Lumia devices? But I guess it may affect the sales of Lumia which is their primary market in US?

Anyway, there's no turning back, and Windows Phone has potential and interesting points especially the People Hub and Office integration, but the restrictions and limitations doesn't go hand in hand with it. It's like giving something good, then at the same time, giving something that turns people off. A sweet Mango that is also sour and bitter.
From previous Nokia feedback, it seems they can't do anything (as it they have tried) when I mentioned these restrictions and limitations. So... just can hope it will change soon.
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the thing about 808, i suspect it will come out at RM2200 RRP
overly high pricing to make other premium Lumia phone look like they are better deals

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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 21 2012, 04:13 PM)
Your experience with iPhone lagging is true, I've friends that complain till today they can't slide to answer calls on their iPhone 4. And I thought that was a basic thing to make sure it works.

LOL! That's darn funny, your character falling into a hole. On the old Symbian if I remember correctly the pop-up when a SMS comes in will freeze the game. After Symbian ^3 it's no longer an issue since the pop-up is confined to home screen & when running games & stuff I only see a notification on the top left that disappears after 2 seconds. So yeah, still the best I've seen for handling that. Honestly they should get rid of the pop-up now in Belle.

Yes, the 808 IF it comes to M'sia should be priced above RM2K. Marketing strategy. Haha.
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yeah, seriously, samo almost beat my high score doh.gif
talking about lagging, notification on android also sometimes have that issue on my tablet, say when email come, it will also stutter a bit. I guess memory management wise, really, nothing beats Symbian now.
Nokia, did u saw what i just type? yes, Symbian today = WP at 2014 at least, u sure u can ensure that long?

QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 21 2012, 04:15 PM)
All the sifus here every type of OS and brand also try before, respect man. Too bad I dont stay in KL, if not, will pinjam the Lumia for rangers set to test2.
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i was hoping to have most the major OS devices out there so that i can compare on the OS without being bias. I seen many people complaining about this or that just by hearing some of the user feedback, where most cases are really, users' fault, haha. Although my android device is a tablet and i wasn't able to test anything on the SMS/Call part, the notification part is also having rather similar lagging as on the iOS
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post Mar 22 2012, 10:32 AM

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might try it out when too darn free, lol
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i was also thinking about N900 before this, but the only thing that sets be away is the resistive touch. While most N900 users says it's not needed,but for me, i am spoiled by capacitive already

but yeah, had a handson on Nicholas' device last time, the UI and the way it works is just simple yet amazing, had this became Nokia's mainstream touch device, they would have NO PROBLEM catching the market, even when you go heads on with iOS, if the many shortfalls are supported officially
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yes, nitDroid, i recall it's running so well(perfectly fine with all features stable and all) , Google actually officially recognize N900 as one of the 'android devices'

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post Jul 24 2012, 11:00 AM

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hi guys, anyone here tried flashing the dual boot kernal for nitdroid before? seems to be getting a "bad ape-algo format in <my phone image>"

update: nvm, problem solved, seems like it's a 64-bit problem, solved by using 32bit command prompt.

so tonight i shall flash nitdroid to it

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post Jul 24 2012, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 24 2012, 12:18 PM)
Its easier to focus on n9 but the overall quality is average.

But lumia harder to focus but better image quality
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really? somehow i find it the other way rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 02:03 PM

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anyway maybe someone has done this before, but I just though of sharing this, it's pretty stable apart from no camera and hit-or-miss in certain things, haven't test with sim card inserted, but tested Grand Prix Story, Dungeon Defenders, works fine and gameplay is rather smooth

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post Jul 25 2012, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(ky20uuen @ Jul 25 2012, 04:35 PM)
Hi there everyone,

I have been reading most of the post here. It seems like to own a Nokia N9 one must be a tech expert of some sort..

Am considering of getting one as i have read that it is easy to use for someone who is new to smartphone, great Meego os, multi tasker etc

However after reading most of the post in this forum, somehow think that i might face some problem with the phone with all the updating, installing, back up and so on as i am a noob with smartphones (still using an entry level camera phone) plus that MeeGo is left to be dead by Nokia.

Kindly advise.

Thank you in advance.
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I think, if you really like N9 and dont mind missing out some apps that's available on other platforms then it should be fine for you.
You concern on not being good enough on phone.. well, it all goes down to how deep you wanna go. The good thing about N9 is, you can use it as a basic user, just whatsapp, sms, call, browse, take a few pictures, share on fb, or u can be a hack master, install tweak package, root, config wireless file transfer, flash some overclocking kernal. In short, it's flexible. Of course, you can explore the more advance stuff, just down to whether you are willing to learn those or you rather stay away from it. I believe everyone was a beginner once, they slowly learn about the device and become experts in that subject, and you could do the same as well given the interest. If you are stuck in something, you can just ask here anyways, i'm sure all the experts here are willing to help you out :-)

so that said, if you want many many mainstream apps in your phone, I don't really recommend it, but if you want a phone that's smooth, different, and having basic apps like whatsapp, I think you could give N9 a go
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 26 2012, 02:05 PM)
Like what you've seen previously, being an N9 user (or Nokia user) in Malaysia...you will get this kind of question :

[1] Why are you still using Nokia?
[2] Got many apps meh? no apps not smart wor
[3] Got update or not? i tot Nokia going to die? waste ur money u no mind meh?

and do not forget, if you have frens that will definitely into android/iphone, you gonna get this question :
[4] u got this app meh on ur phone?
[5] come install <app name> and play together
[6] u dont have this app? its compulsory to have lar in this hipster era

well...all of the point really circle around APPS,APPS,APPS and update...
but, if you are looking for N9 last masterpiece, this is it! and feel proud about it...blow away all apps-apps-apps question xD
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you don't say... last time i met a few people that was using iPhone before this, tempted to change to some android phone due to higher spec, but when i ask why duwan change? they just say 'duwan la no instagram inside'
i was like... just instagram is it really that important? people nowadays, can't live without all the hipster apps doh.gif
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QUOTE(nebousuke @ Jul 27 2012, 07:54 AM)
please search through the wazapp maemo thread, you can find the instruction to edit some files in wazapp in order to tell thr server you have the latest symbian copy and that will solve registration error.

please don't boot up nitroid for the sake of whatsapp, it's not worth it and chances are, you will screw up even more
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define screw up even more?
i flashed it, most the application works fine, still using it without a sim card tho, wireless connection is good

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post Aug 7 2012, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(arimii @ Aug 5 2012, 12:18 AM)
haha lucky you here ?  brows.gif
bro , u using nitdroid ? got tutorial on it ? i'm so keen on flashing nitdroid in my n9  icon_question.gif
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i am using it right now, but one question first, are you using N9 as main phone? if yes then don't flash, camera not working, phone call is not working well, and performance are still rather sluggish on the whole OS. I recommend to wait till at least a beta release, which might be soon, since e-yes, the programmer of nitdroid typically release one version every one- one and a half month, and last release was early July, finger cross the next release is Jelly Bean thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(yeohsheng @ Aug 7 2012, 09:57 AM)
e-yes is using jelly bean now~
btw, i also using nitdroid. but it is only for game lolz.
every night switch to nitdroid to play game before sleep, then b4 sleep change back meego xD.
he can flash first, because everytime procedure to change alpha is very easy only.
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hmm.. yeah, but I am under the impression that people flash it to use as main phone, for me, I am using a Lumia as my main phone, that phone is sitting idle anyway so i just flash it and play games like you. I really hope basic phone feature is stable to use on next release :-)

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