True, MeeGo Harmattan was supposedly Maemo successor; Those Maemo users, developers is looking forward to it; then they're all being given a premature born baby to take care and support "again", after so long waiting, history repeats itself, DeJaVu.

Yup, it's very obvious, they know people will go for N9 instead. Since the same applied for 808 which are not competition to Lumia devices? But I guess it may affect the sales of Lumia which is their primary market in US?

Anyway, there's no turning back, and Windows Phone has potential and interesting points especially the People Hub and Office integration, but the restrictions and limitations doesn't go hand in hand with it. It's like giving something good, then at the same time, giving something that turns people off. A sweet Mango that is also sour and bitter.
From previous Nokia feedback, it seems they can't do anything (as it they have tried) when I mentioned these restrictions and limitations. So... just can hope it will change soon.

actually, believe or not, iOS also has phone lags, for instance, when you got a phone call, sometimes the "slide to answer" doesnt work, you slide your finger across the screen, but the touch input is not detected.
Sometimes, after sliding to end(phone answered), the screen will hang there will the slider at the right edge of the slider, meaning slider to answer edi, and wait around 3-5 seconds only change to the typical phone call screen.
there are also times when you wanna call, you press on the contact, it will highlight the contact on touch, hang there few seconds, then only start calling.

when you screen is not locked, you get the "Answer" and "reject" button. my experience is that there are times when you press answer, the phone also takes few seconds to respond. and upon hanging up the phone call(press cancel button ) it will hang there will all the button shaded, longest i seen was around 1 minute hang on my gf's phone. and some of this happens rarely, while some of these happens on daily basis.

Message, no complain, apart from it lags the application to death.

I believe what your friend complain on the lag, is when the message come and the notification shows. 3-5 seconds before the notification shows, your game will drop to slideshow speed, then show the notification, then suddenly run smooth again, and recent experience, my character fell into a hole in Temple Run. all these are common stuffs on smartphone, but as far as i can recall, Symbian was the best in this, it doesnt have very noticeable performance drop

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Added on March 21, 2012, 4:03 pmthe thing about 808, i suspect it will come out at RM2200 RRP
overly high pricing to make other premium Lumia phone look like they are better deals

This post has been edited by BBXiong: Mar 21 2012, 04:04 PM

Your experience with iPhone lagging is true, I've friends that complain till today they can't slide to answer calls on their iPhone 4. And I thought that was a basic thing to make sure it works.

LOL! That's darn funny, your character falling into a hole. On the old Symbian if I remember correctly the pop-up when a SMS comes in will freeze the game. After Symbian ^3 it's no longer an issue since the pop-up is confined to home screen & when running games & stuff I only see a notification on the top left that disappears after 2 seconds. So yeah, still the best I've seen for handling that. Honestly they should get rid of the pop-up now in Belle.

Yes, the 808 IF it comes to M'sia should be priced above RM2K. Marketing strategy. Haha.

All the sifus here every type of OS and brand also try before, respect man. Too bad I dont stay in KL, if not, will pinjam the Lumia for rangers set to test2.

808 pre-order price in europe is 499 euro. Announced price bf tax was 450 euro, Msia one should be selling at RM1,800 to RM2,200

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 21 2012, 04:23 PM

yeah, seriously, samo almost beat my high score
talking about lagging, notification on android also sometimes have that issue on my tablet, say when email come, it will also stutter a bit. I guess memory management wise, really, nothing beats Symbian now.
Nokia, did u saw what i just type? yes, Symbian today = WP at 2014 at least, u sure u can ensure that long?

i was hoping to have most the major OS devices out there so that i can compare on the OS without being bias. I seen many people complaining about this or that just by hearing some of the user feedback, where most cases are really, users' fault, haha. Although my android device is a tablet and i wasn't able to test anything on the SMS/Call part, the notification part is also having rather similar lagging as on the iOS

Actually notifications on WP (they are called Toasts) doesn't lag the phone in any way. Too bad there's no way to see collection of Toasts. Once it's gone it's gone. Back to before Belle time.

Memory management on WP is darn good. Much better than Android, even beats iOS in my opinion but that's cause it only saves state for 5 running apps. They are pushing it to 8 in the next update called Mango Refresh.

Yes on Android notifications lag a bit. I did a lot of testing on my dad's Galaxy Tab 10.1. The most annoying lag is usually when the adverts are reloading every min.

Ya lah, but buying device to try different OS is harder. Esp if high end device, if not suitable, the pocket will really feel the pain, lol. If can test for free or sthing,different case.

Yeah, there's lag but I suppose in comparison, the severity and how often it happens is way better than other OS. With iPhone, if you're playing games for example, if you need to get out and make a quicky call, you just pres the GOD button, the one button to rule them all. You'll be back to the home in no time smoothly and give a nice animation, then you can make a quick call and go back to your game. Most of the time, there is no issue. There maybe hiccups sometimes but in comparison the experience is way better hence why people always complain about lag in other OS.
Or let's say, receive SMS, you want to reply, you jump out of the game, access the messaging and reply, then goes back to your game.

Symbian have improve much from last time but the experience I suppose is still not as pleasant as iPhone; I only use and experience iPhone a little and it gives user the experience and reliability. With Symbian, with Belle, it's much improved over previous.

I agree, in terms of calls, messaging and contacts management, Symbian is still one of the best, if not the best. But somehow, it seems Nokia didn't implement this "benefit" (Contacts Management) into Maemo and MeeGo, which is kind of weird.


Android is worst... especially if you have low ram device, 512MB isn't exacly low, but for Andorid it is. But it also depends on the customization and what process you have running. If you want smoother experience, don't install those processes and have more free available ram... but then it kind of defeat the purpose of having a smarpthone when you can't install this and that.
For me, I understand what I have to bear if I want to install those apps with background services running and consuming memory; but for others, they may not know and they will suffer with the device.

Anyway, with enough free ram available, the experience can really be a lot better.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 4:50 pmIt's good because it limit what you can run and use. Which is OK for me, but NOT be too smart to close the app for me without asking my permission. Where are the manners? Imagine if the app is a word document which I've type very long?
Similarly, IE tabs only allows up to 6 tabs, if you click on the link and open in new tab, the smart OS will decide to close the first tab for you. Again, no manners.

It should:
1. Ask user if they choose continue/OK, which app/tab will be closed, or cancel it.
2. Some people will say, "aiyah, this is annoying". But think further, this can be set as option in settings, "always ask" or auto-close, etc.

They can push it to 8, but here's the catch, device with not enough ram may not support it.
Just as 256MB ram, will not be able to support 5 apps multi-tasking and there is a limit to how many ram is allocated to each task, if not wrong, below 90MB? Again, this overly smart OS will decide to close for you without asking because the OS is a smart OS, and it consider the user as a dumb user
So, although Lumia 800 have 512MB is enough, but more is always better, it means ready for future requirements.

Anyway, hope MS will implement something like above, the options.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 04:50 PM

http://www.fonearena.com/blog/47889/first-...1-believer.html

Already read this slightly earlier, doesn't seems any useful. We should think about Nokia current customers.
As previous article by Kenny, can Nokia gain back it's customer 1 to 1?
They already lost 1/3 of their customer since Lumia, in UK alone, where they have higher hopes for Windows Phone OS?

In Asia, there're many customer who may not be able to adopt with the restrictions and limitations (not just Asia actually). Note, I did not mention changes. People can try new ones, but not at the expense of inconveniences, frustration and unhappiness.
If you take some time to read through the article Kenny posted, you will read about more interesting point.
The above article, never seems to touch what may draw customer away and how to improve Windows Phone sales, it's more like a believe that it will success. To success, means you need to make sure your customer are happy/satisfied and have as little complain as possible. At current rate, it's already pretty bad, but mainly it can be resolved if Microsoft could just open up, loosen up, remove these restrictions and limitations, make a true smartphone OS. The stability and reliability is great, the People Hub and Office Integration is amazing, but they need to take care of the little things that can be what turns people down/away.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 05:22 PM

LOL! Eh... is there an OS that will ask you is it OK to close an app?

Oh, Didn't realise IE only allow 6 tabs. If can't open more then dun allow like in iOS & Symbian. Haha! Prob solved!

Actually for the current 512MB devices the push to 8 fast switch apps is no issue. For devices that are using 256MB, fast switching is actually most of the time going to be disabled. It'll only work with certain apps. At least that's my understanding lah.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 5:31 pmThat's the famous Rita aka Dotsisx from Symbian Guru site last time. Don't worry, she haven't give full review. She always gives good side & bad side, you should read her review on N9. Anyway, she's giving a general review, not helping Nokia improve sales so it's just her opinion.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 21 2012, 05:31 PM

Buying a phone jz to test how good it is? For normal customer point of view this is not gona happen. Lumia is not going cheap, ppl won't buy it jz to know how "amazing" it is. Apparently, when u looking at the sales & everything u can tell. That's the truth which no one can argue about it.

No, but other OS, so far it won't close for you except Android which is also annoying. I type half way, go back, it's restarted. Windows Phone OS worst, where's my app? Missing from the multi-tasking view.

Other phones like Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo, it doesn't close for you; but because no restriction on how many you can open, it can affect the performance on Maemo and MeeGo especially. Not sure about Symbian as I never tried it before.

Windows Phone doesn't allow open anymore tab when there is already 6, the "+" tab is disabled, but you can clikc on a click to open in new tab.
Actually no big issue, MS can easily add in an option for user to decide or just use AUTO (or "recommended" settings). This is like "things to improve" feature.

Push 8 apps, maybe depend on the ram consumption on each app, as with 256mb device, there's a limitation on ram for each app, if exceed if not wrong it will close it. But that's the limitations, who ask the manufacturer to skimp on ram. Like Lumia 800, it could have 1GB ram like the N9, but the decide to give less since it meet the requirement. But nothing serious, 512MB is fine, it works well, no complains; it's just "nice to have" more and getting more value for what you pay (including for future requirement).

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Added on March 21, 2012, 5:43 pmNah, didn't say she's helping Nokia improve sales; Just saying she's a believer that Windows Phone can success; Initially I believe too when it was first announce they will revamp Windows Mobile and emphasize on Social Networks integration, back then I've experience SNS in N900 so I know how appealing it is, but I never thought they will put in limitations and restrictions, moreover from Microsoft.

As I said, if the product wants to be more successful, we need to identify early, what can turns people down or off, and can it be avoided? In this case, YES. But seem they didn't and go ahead with the restrictions and limitations, which have no good reasons as now they have to face many complains and unsatisfied customers.

Anyway, it's her point of view and how she felt about the phone. For me, I can live without bluetooth file transfer, but as I said, it's not about me; moreover, why remove this feature when it can cause many unsatisfied customers.

As a reviewer (especially famous one), it will be helpful if they write about these restrictions and limitations, because it will take more attention and awareness of Nokia and Microsoft. For us, we can write thousands of times and it may not get any attention or priority.





This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 05:43 PM

Actually iOS will tombstone aka kill the app when non enough memory is available but the app will remain in the recent used list. Same with WP but WP have less memory to work with. Symbian will just close your app, no questions asked if it runs out of memory. I know coz I've seen it so many times on my phone.

Maemo/MeeGo doesn't close it, unfortunately it can result in complete lockup of the phone. This has happened to my N9 a couple of times when web browsing using stock browser & firefox.

On 256mb device, basically if an app don't use more than 90mb then it can fast resume, any app using more will be tombstoned. Read that from MyNokiaBlog here.

Anyway, it's not that Nokia didn't want to put more RAM, but maybe it's a OS issue. Who knows. There's no WP phone on market with more than 512mb.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 5:52 pmWell, WP is a new OS, not based on Windows Mobile. So it's not about taking out bluetooth transfer. It never was in the OS, they have to add it in.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 21 2012, 05:53 PM

This girl published a review of her Lumia 800 a mere 24 hrs after getting her phone. She hasn't even used it in-depth yet. She also got her Lumia free and the main thing she went ga-ga over was the colour. Here is a review by a real user who bought his own Lumia 800, used it for 1 month and said goodbye.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/...mia-800-goodbye

Kenny, why are u so negative? She's not any girl, if you've followed Symbian blog you would know who she is & her credentials. Have u even read that post?

1) The phone is on 1 month trial
2) She was a Symbian user now converted to Android, never touched WP b4.

So just because she doesn't kick dirt on her initial impression you just dismiss her entirely?

That was not even a review. It was a 1st impression article

Yeah correct. And Rita will hold no punches if a product deserves to be put down, just wait for her full review. I can honestly tell you, it might turn 180 degrees around from this initial impression, depending how annoyed she gets.

I suppose we can't judge anything from it then. What was your purpose of giving this link?

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 06:27 PM

No I didn't dismiss her entirely. I'm just saying her review has no depth. It is a first impression article.