Not even Andriod?

Hahaha,you all in the big cities will be surprised of the different usage pattern of the 'masses' in smaller states - based on actual study done.
Q : sir, why you dont use wifi/streamyx at home?
A: The kids whole day look at the computer, dont study, so I cut it off.
Q: so now you use broadband? You know, from maxis, celcom, digi
A : no, no, kids still wouldnt study. Now they want to use internet, go cyber cafe, only allow them 1 day 1 or 2 hours. Use their own allowance, cannot ask extra. At home, must study
Q : sir, how abt prepaid broadband ?
A : got prepaid one? I tot all is bill/ line one. Dunno lah, I not familiar with PC,buy the computer is for the kids to use
Q : i see. Do you use smartphone? Can online,chat,everything.
A : you mean like the apple brand one? I dont hv so expensive one. Mine almost RM1k when i bought(observed as mid range smartphone) I think can online but I use it to make calls, sms,take photo,ask my kids to copy songs.

note : standard middle class families with household income above RM2.5 k(by melaka rate)
if you all go ask general public/masses, will have fun with their cute answers, lol, lol

Yuppies in big cities are also different from smaller towns,assuming same age range.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 20 2012, 12:52 PM

AFAIK, nope. I tried on Galaxy Tab 10.1, tried to load Farmville but it reported that my browser not supported.

Firefoxx 11.0.0.1 is available now in nokia store.....
no update in 'update application '...weird

This post has been edited by Tuyin: Mar 20 2012, 01:35 PM

Interesting debates, I'm sooooo impressed by you guys that managed to type so well,
even longer than my thesis lol
(Not teasing, pure admiring, purposely login to say this lol)

Same here.

I'm sure most of us can type very well when it doesn't come to writing a thesis.

aha....no worries....I might not be able to sell my N9 if the new price for 64gb is around my price as reported by member here....hahaha....so I might just keep it well and enjoy it more and more....

N9 16GB sellling at RM1,499. 2nd time saw this ad in newspaper


Forgot to add, selling at Courts Mamooth

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 20 2012, 06:44 PM

16GB N9 for RM1499 nothing special, also available at Curve.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 20 2012, 06:49 PM

LoL Can get it at the exact same price at Nokia stores.. I wonder if Lumia900 relesaes in M'sia, will the N9 further drop in price

Lumia 900 no connection with N9.

i not bother with any lumia. Not interested at all.

wouldn't mind having one if I don't have to pay for it

btw still no white N9? this is sad

White N9

And guys, I know Lumia900 and N9 no connection, but it's a phone from nokia, if people were to get L900 - N9 will have slower sales, harder to sell if the price doesn't drop a little bit. Not to mention Nokia is going all out to promote the Lumia series, so N9 should see a steady decline in price this as more Nokia-windows phone releases..no?

Not all Nokia stores it seems, if not I wouldnt mention. And not all states, you all in big cities have better deals
64GB going for 1,899. Hmm, weird, Superbuy still listing the 16GB at RM1,699

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 20 2012, 08:32 PM

Actually N9 and Lumia 900 cater to different market segments so popularity of one does not affect popularity of the other. I think the price of N9 is stable now as it has dropped considerably from launch price. Nokia won't drop price to push N9 sales as they prefer to sell more Lumias than N9s. if you intend to get an N9 now is as good a time as any.


This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 20 2012, 09:24 PM

I believe Windows Phone main target is iOS, thus their limitations and restriction will not really be seen so much as a drawback, plus people will also say iPhone also don't have. Plus, there is one feature, I can't remember which one, it mentioned about iPhone in particular.

Anyway, as how I see it, it's a good direct competition for iPhone, except it lacks of popularity/brand name and many people are actually brand conscious (especially those that carries iPhone) and finally the one major factor, applications (and games).
Currently, Windows Phone loses on both, but it has more to offer, such as XBox Live, Live Tiles, Office Integration and the best yet, People Hub.

Office Integration is amazing with very powerful office software; but it depends if people actually use it. I think most iPhone users don't use it, especially young generations, so if they're targeting iPhone users, this feature will not be the appealing feature.

People Hub however is splendid, it's very deep and comprehensive integration. You can comment, like and tag people directly without going through any Facebook app, which can't be done from N9. When you access a contact, you can view all his/her latest postings/updates from his contacts and also view all his/her pictures and album that were set visible. This is really nice and deserve a BIG thumbs up.
Though, some people actually didn't really like it as much as I thought it would be. Not everyone likes everything integrated; but here's the BEAUTY of it... CHOICE/OPTION... as I said before, they don't like, can choose NOT to use it.
The one thing that it loses to Maemo and MeeGo is in the upload/share feature. In Windows Phone, it's VERY basic, unlike Maemo and MeeGo, which is more detailed with upload to different Albums, creating albums, upload resolutions, etc. Hope Microsoft will implement this feature soon.

There're also grouping of contacts, then you can choose to text or mail to the group, when you access the group updates, you can see the updates from Facebook, etc from this group. Nice!

Despite how good the People Hub is, it has some issue as well:
1. Only support 1 mobile number, 2 home number. This is dumb and it's fixed, not flexible. This phone suppose to be a contact primary application, but it fail if contacts management design. For those who study database design, based on the appearance, it seems they did not normalize this part and choose to define column; Basically what this means is, in order for them to add more types of number, they need to issue software update everytime unless they change the design, which will be a big issue (why? Imagine database is the base structure, if you wish to change the design of it, the impact will be big).

2. Cannot select multiple contact to delete.
After I transfer the contacts using Contacts Transfer, it generated many "<Unnamed Contacts>" with nothing information inside, not sure what is this, possibly due to part (1) above that not able to support multiple mobile number? Or some other reasons.

To cut things short, imagine how to delete all these useless contacts? I have to delete one by one.
The contacts cannot be managed through Zune it seems.
I login into Windows Live, these "<Unnamed Contacts>" is not there, so I can delete from there too.

3. Seems only have 1 way to scroll through the contacts. It doesn't group or allow scroll to alphabet. Have to use search.

Although not everyone like the Live Tiles, but some people really like it and it's the main reason they bought a Windows Phone.
Similarly, there're also simple reason one will not buy a Windows Phone, such as, no bluetooth file transfer.
Some people may not believe, just simple feature. For N900 back then, people can drop their interest just because no 3G Video call, or MMS (got one buy bought then sold off, then later bought again after knowing about the 3rd party version). Or N9, without whatsapp, people are dropping interest or selling off.
Personally, I believe we should be open minded and look broad.
As reviewer and/or blogger, we should look far and wide; It may not concern us because it's not OUR business, the sales gain or drop doesn't affect us. It doesn't matter if we think the feature is not important, we should know how it will affect others, especially the CURRENT users of the company, in this case, Nokia. Their current users have no such limitations and restriction, suddenly loosing SO MANY features, and to face these limitations and restrictions, it a lot to bear.
In this case, it's not right to use iPhone as excuse because they're not iPhone users, they're Nokia Symbian users. Even if iPhone users, it's also not right to use iPhone as excuse; If they wish to switch and experience something better, but come back to square one, with limitations and restrictions, surely it's normal to be disappointed again; moreover, it's not the nature of Microsoft's software.

Anyway, those that were on Lumia 800 forum before would've know of a customer sell off his Lumia because cannot assign SMS tone. We tried to convince him, but he feel embarassed it can't be done and his friends using iPhone can. As I've said before "FACE" is important to many people, and they want to show off their device.
Even if iPhone cannot do, it's also not right to use as excuse because we should improve and move forward, not stay.

Normally, who doesn't want a product to be better and improve? So, naturally if there is a drawback, we should highlight it and acknowledge it, the importance and think about the public, especially current users. In this case, Nokia current users are Symbian users. You can look at Nokia Malaysia Facebook, how people are complaining and disappointed. All these actually can be avoided if Microsoft would remove these restrictions and limitation and make it work like a real smartphone, as how all smartphone should be, not follow what standards Apple set.
I know there're some tricks to overcome people's complains, like if they complain cannot transfer via bluetooth or memory slot, people will use tricks like "Friend, now is what century, still use bluetooth mer? Upload to Cloud storage la", things like this, make them embarass or something like that, which is quite effective. Usually, these are more like salesman tactic/tricks, because they need to market and sell the product, and there is drawback and disadvantage, they will use many ways to overcome this.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 20 2012, 10:23 PM

Hi Andy, there's a way to manage contacts for Windows Phone if you login to Hotmail on PC. Go to Contacts, All Contacts & you'll see it all there. Another way I found can manage it is from Windows 8 Consumer Preview, if you played with it & used your Windows Live ID to login.

As I've said before, Windows Phone OS is very new, has nothing to do with old Windows Mobile. Let's just give it some time to mature more. They will add more features along the way, hopefully with Nokia pushing MS ass to move faster in that regard.

Yes, I have tried in Hotmail (which I mentioned as Windows Live), it doesn't show the "<UnNamed Contacts>" there.
Didn't use Windows 8, in fact, my home PC still running Windows XP and my office also using Windows XP.
There's many companies out there using Windows XP, there maybe those running even older versions I don't know; Last time I used to do sales, support and repair business, I went to many of my client site, their PC is really old and running old Windows, they're just doing basic document processing, they don't need a high end PC, the computers can be really really old, and even they upgrade.

I can just hope for the best, in my point of view, I believe the top management are not aware the importance. As I know, big companies, multi-level, they see charts, statistics, etc. provided by research, these research can be independent 3rd party company, etc. (this also applies for car, they hire 3rd party research agency and do research).
If it's true, it could be they just want to follow iPhone since it's famous and so on. If not, I don't see reason why the management wants to restrict this and that, put in limitations, etc. If they also use the phone, I'm pretty sure they would want to have more features available, and they would want their users to be satisfied and happy, not receiving complains. When got complains, then again, this is multi-level process which the message may not be correctly interpreted or pass through.

This is why as Andy said WP is not suitable for many people like aunties and uncles who don't have hotmail, Windows Live ID or Cloud services. Many of them don't even have a PC to run Zune and with internet access. It's just like file transfer between phones. Using bluetooth is direct and easy. Using email means both sender and receiver need email a/c and data connection. Why make things so complicated and the ownership requirement so high? Just because Apple does it is not a good reason.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 08:52 AM