I think some of he list owners already sold off, haha...

The main problem, is the price and the cap. With cloud storage, means we can download/upload files, and with HD support, means we can watch HD content in YouTube/etc, viewing high res photos, recording and uploading HD videos, budden hor... we got this 100MB, 500MB, 1GB, 3GB cap... Which is years ago limit, before HD content, before all this, and the price is still so darn expensive.

I think cause hard to sell, so stuck in between

I hope they can integrate it, thus there's no need to open WhatsApp app, just initiate directly from contacts or conversations.

If they hack, maybe they can produce it as plugin for integration;

In Maemo, the developers provide plugins for MSN, ICQ, etc. which was not provided by the OS. On the other hands, those who do no want the integrate one, can go for the app instead. So, the good thing here is got 2 choice to suit different users, compare to other OS, only can rely on apps.

Go Commando!

I think that's not fair to say, if so, N9 didn't officially get Flash anyway as it's browser supported, If browser, even iOS can get it.
Whether it's not mass market or discontinued, it's still the 1st and if to be like Apple "This changes everything", it bring Flash to mobile platform, it was the testing ground as well, Flash 10 was tested on N900 too, but due to Nokia, it was not released.

Experimental or not, does it really matter? Just like N9, it's also incomplete and dead, but does it matter?
Weird to read this, so the single core matters now? Outdated specs matters now? MeeGo is still incomplete OS, there's still lacking so many things, just like during N900 era. As a person who owns and experience both, I see no difference.
Personally, Maemo is still one of the best around as of today. If you tried browsing with it, the default browser, it still gives the best experience (except there's no multi-touch).

If they actually invest and put effort to work on Maemo, I strongly believe it'll be one of the best around; To achieve simplicity in Maemo, it can be done easily, there's just so many possibilities for Maemo.
For those that never truly experience Maemo, can never understand. Seeing and playing for a short moment is not the same.

It's not about geek or not; So if you use a notebook, you are a geek? That sounds so funny.
Maemo is the closest thing that makes you feel like holding a notebook with the size of a palm. It's not people don't want that, if it's smooth and easy to use, who don't want a the extra capabilities?
People using iPhone, they only say they don't want this or that, because they can't have it. If they can have it, why not? It's a BONUS.

The sensor is a 41MP sensor, but for output, it depends on the ratio chosen;
For 16:9, it will make use of the WIDTH of the sensor which result to 34MP
For 4:3, it will make use of the HEIGHT of the sensor which result to 38MP

http://europe.nokia.com/PRODUCT_METADATA_0..._Whitepaper.pdf

Not really sure what size option they have, the default is said to be at 5MP @ 16:9.
But in the video posted by aspire shifu, you can see they enlarge and crop; I think for that particular demo, you will need a larger MP photo.

But for most people who just shoot and upload to facebook, the don't need high megapixel anyway, so there's no need to waste space to capture highest resolution; If there is 38MP, imagine the file size at super fine. I guess that's why they set it default @ 5MP.

Anyway, for the full details, will need more information.

What standard?
If camera, so far, I think there's still none that is better than N8. Others may fare better in terms of usability and features, but quality and detail, it's still N8.
Now they just step more further away, lol.

iOS definitely, that's the plus of having 1 device and in-house type.
That's why Google Nexus also have similar treatment albeit not as good as iOS.
Symbian I think only for Nokia, for non-Nokia, I'm not sure, but for old Nokia devices, I don't think got anymore updates; but as long as it's stable should be good enough. Only for newer/modern smartphone OS where there's integrated features/services (e.g. Maemo/MeeGo/WP/Android), will be nice to have continuous updates to keep up to date for the latest features, they can actually try to make it easy for 3rd party to add in so that even if they stop supporting/providing updates, 3rd party can provide them (e.g. Maemo Plugins for Social Networks Integration; Not sure can be done for MeeGo, if yes, maybe someone can add plugins for MSN, Yahoo, etc).

OTA for fast and keep every in-tact update. Means no need to back-up and restore.
If there is problem, then go for Navifirm or flash with NSU.

So, even with OTA, you might want to consider backup first, just in case.

Ok then, Yahoo! it.

Basically, Flashing is like clean install instead of update, that's why it need the full file and why you loose everything.

710? Lumia?

Windows Phone is, urm, very different; Depending what type of user you are.

Yup, totally meant for different category of user.......

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 1 2012, 09:44 AM

Long Live MeeGo!

Huh? There's so much difference with Android version wo?

You're talking about the app right?

Or integrated feature? If integrated feature, no doubt, Android is a failure, too messy and no standard.
Their social network integration is a failure.
Still Maemo & MeeGo wins, WP still lacking although their "Messaging" department can say better in a way where everything is merged into 1 thread (view), but depend how you see it (I think I prefer to split to know which service I'm using).

But Android stock FB app was way better than N9 stock FB app in terms of usability.

The flat-2D style UX gives me a weird feeling, until I discovered a bug when I first play with the phone... It suddenly become clear to me while the UX gives me the familiar feeling, seems it's web based?



Anyway, right way or not, I think it depends on what type of user you are.
For me, definitely not; When using it, it feels like iOS, full of limitations and restrictions, honestly, I feel really stupid. I took a photo... I can't send to my friend, I can't transfer to the PC without Zune. I feel darn stupid, I can't figure out why and the reason.
It doesn't allow user to add more than 1 mobile number; as a sofware giant that provide database and developments tools, I feel stupid again. It feels like this is not done by microsoft, but some fresh graduate who don't understand database design.
In short, I personally feel it's not a good choice for TRUE smartphone users. What is a smartphone when it's first introduced? I still remember the first Windows Mobile phone MPX100, I attended the MS developer event at Sunway ages ago, it was definitely not the same as current Windows Phone. Current Windows Phone, it feels like someone trying to follow what everything iOS has done just because it's famous without considering what user actually wants.
You can follow the GOOD of iOS, but you don't have to follow the BAD of iOS. In this case, it feels like they blindly follow everything.

The only nice thing I find is the People Hub.... but still,... there's like still a lot of things to be done.
Well, I also like their voice command feature.

Anyway, I passed to one of my colleague. After using for 1 day, he come back to me: I don't know what to write about this phone.... I don't find anything nice, it feels like those old Nokia phones (as in old OS which can't do much). Sad, but true.
Quite a few people also ask me, how the Windows Phone, empty like iOS? And what's special about it? The selling point.
I guess the main selling point is People Hub as of now, but it depends who the users are. For TRUE smartphone users, "usually", they want more; but for those that don't bother about flexibility and just want a simple, smooth smartphone, Windows Phone is a good choice (so does N9, except for the lack of apps/games).

For many people, a reliable phone is still important, and Android fail in this department, you need very high spec hardware with huge amount of ram to have a smoother experience, but it doesn't stop the device from issues like "Force Close" or lag. The "smart" memory management is too smart, auto close for you, sooo darn smart, who ask it to close kill the app I still need? And soo smart, kill your homescreen and restart, kill your call function? So smart. Imagine you need to make a call, and the phone decide to lag and slow to respond.
So, in this case, many user get frustrated, it's not they don't want the flexibility, it's because those OS are failure in prioritizing the important process and provide smoother experience.
This is a phone, no matter what process is running, the phone process should have high priority and user can access it easily and quick; But seems they fail to get this right after so many years.

Only iOS which have quick and easy "Home" button which easily bring you back to the main screen and access the telephone and it's smooth.
Windows Phone also have something similar and it's smooth.
N9 also similar, just that it lacks in app/games and it's consider a COLD phone right now. It's just too bad; In future, seems only 3 OS in the game? iOS, WP and Android. All also not very good.

The concept was good; I only wish they remove the BADs of iOS. Less restriction and limitation, it's just too much.
Tango is said will have external storage support, so something could change or maybe not.

In any case, just hope for the best; No other choice of OS already... Hope Nokia will keep their promise to continue support for MeeGo until 2014, and not 1 year 1 update, lol.

Camera improvement cannot run from shifu aspire, hehe

How's the performance now compare with Lumia 800?


Thanks.
For mine, haven't write; Honestly, I have very little idea or things to write about it unlike N9 (MeeGo), there's so much good things to write and talk about.
The most interesting feature in WP is the People Hub (but not something new for us N9 users), and also the voice commands, you can also use the speech-to-text during messaging or chat.
I haven't really use it extensively yet, but it seems the "chat" part, it's not always ON, it can go offline unlike N9/MeeGo stay connected or auto-online once you're connected to internet.
There was no Skype integration as well, seems they release a 3rd party app in this case and it's currently in beta, not working well and seems like no background service for it.

Anyway, if you want to an interesting read and insights of the People Hub, you can check out Jeffrey's (Upsilon) post in Nokia Malaysia Facebook page (posted by Choon Siang Lai), he did a well write up on it.

Thanks~
yes, want simple OS but can't afford iPhone; Or don't need those apps/games, but into social networking, the People Hub will be an interesting and nice feature.

Still, MeeGo is still the best, it has social integration, smooth as well, and simple yet powerful and best of all have TRUE multi-tasking. The new PR1.2 really is gives much better experience with the notifications plus the upload feature is the best so far, so many options and ability to post to album and creating albums. PR1.2 incorporates face tagging recognition as well.
For those not really care much about apps, N9 is still the best, it's just lacking WhatsApp as it's like something widely used now (some people will not reply normal SMS, till this extend; or you won't get updates from them cause they only send to WhatsApp contacts.)

Anyway, as for apps; As long as it have the good and popular ones, it's good enough. For me, I installed many apps on the Android, I can say that I hardly touch any of those apps, but you know human, we see we install, but do we really need it?
So, I believe most people also same. As long they bring those important and popular apps/games, it should be enough.

DEFINITELY TRUE; I on was connected to data whole day and it still can last. Amazing!

If your mom is not computer literate or uses the computer often and not really expose or rely on internet, it's better not to get Windows Phone.
Since you say your mom is first time using touchscreen, I would assume she is using older phones, so I would also assume she may not know many other things; Thus, Windows Phone is highly NOT recommended unless you willing to guide her all the way and setup everything for her, BUT she will still face problem:
1. Take a photo with colleague, colleague says: send the photo to my phone.
HABIS --> GONE --> can't send over bluetooth
OK, connect to PC --> HABIS --> GONE --> Must install ZUNE first and ZUNE requires Windows XP SP3 or newer Windows version.
Want to install Zune? Make sure got internet connection "lah"
So... what if she's outside having dinner with relatives, use her phone take photo? Later cannot send to anyone. How stupid is that?
I can't believe this is what Microsoft did. I mean,... meh? Microsoft? That's so NOT Microsoft.

In short, Windows Phone requires:
1. To have and use the computer. Sending pictures, videos, music all must go through the computer and it must be running Windows XP SP3 or newer; So no old PC/Notebook allowed.
2. Any videos/music must go through zune which will then be converted "accordingly"; So if big video file, and slow computer, not sure how long "lah", never try. I just don't like this convert convert thingy.
3. MUST have Windows Live ID.
4. May need data or WIFI, if not, pretty useless.
5. May need to get familiar with Market Place (this also means need to have data or WIFI).
6. Uses social networking like FB, Twitter, etc. If not, there's nothing much special anymore except the smoothness? Which can also get from iPhone. iPhone can show off more.

I would personally say, Windows Phone is not so suitable for those people unfamiliar with all those. iPhone might be a better. For people who uses Social Networking a lot, then Windows Phone may appeal more as they will appreciate the People Hub. (BUT for some people who uses FB, they are not exactly interested in it).

And oh,... Windows Phone tarak BACKUP feature.

ADD ON:
I forgot to mentioned; Many senior long time loyal Nokia users (usually older generation who don't use the internet or really use the PC), bought the Windows Phone, got very frustrated with the restrictions and limitations of Windows Phone; Like I said above example, just want to send a PHOTO also cannot. They don't use computer, they don't use what-stupid-cloud-sky-drive, etc. Somehow MS have dumbed down here thinking everyone is the same? That's again, so NOT Microsoft. As a software company (especially so much experience), they should have know or foresee many things; It's the basics when designing a software...).
And even for those who have computer or uses the internet, you can see how much their frustration with the limitation and restrictions from their complains in Nokia Malaysia Facebook. Switching from Symbian, there's too much changes to bear.

To be honest, MANY of the loyal Nokia users/supports are those older generations (not necessary very old, but those that trust Nokia as a brand, etc); Most of them may not really use the computer or internet and they're so far FINE with Symbian and can live with the bugs/lagginess. BUT, they will not be happy with Windows Phone.
If Nokia goes full force with Windows Phone, how will Nokia maintain these loyal users. There're in fact A LOT of them. I have highlight this issue to Nokia as well, and if Nokia loses these loyal users as well, it will definitely be a major impact. Imagine these customer spreading their words of how they hated their NEW Nokia device?
Despite the smoothness and reliability, how can these users stand the limitations and restrictions? Simple things such as, sending a Photo, or Music or Videos over bluetooth which is commonly done by many.

Weekends usually I'm not active; hehe.
Between N9 or Lumia? N9 definitely! Unless Moms wants to use WhatsApp? Or it's modern moms which wants are into apps/games, etc.
Smoothness N9 have it, social network integration N9 have it (and I would say "still" BETTER especially with PR1.2, just so great).
The flexibility for sending files, uploading to FB Albums! (Imagine moms showing off to the aunties aunties, your smartphone can upload to ALBUM or not? I no need go to computer to create album and do this or that), a better Contact/Phone book, easy to access for Internet Connection, Bluetooth (just tap the top to bring down the menu), once connected, auto ONLINE for Facebook Chat, Skype and other IMs. Easy to chat with other friends in FB or Skype. What else? Windows Phone can't do all those, and those that it can, it's not so easy.

That thread very active as you know, it's the current hot topic, and it captured many attention at the same time, many people who are not happy; Many people don't understand the technology or what it is and jump to conclusions, even our LYN FrontPage did the same.
Imagine before understanding and finding out, they use own assumption and write an article making their own claims, confusing other people and making things worst as they thought it was right and go and debate with others.
GSMArena did a very well job by stepping forward and talk to the man himself, Damian Dining, which explains a lot of things very clearly.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 7 2012, 09:41 AM

LoL, when I missing, it's still very active what, have to take time read through few pages.