WP didn't have recently used list right? Anyway, as previous I mentioned, it's not serious but will be a nice improvement feature; If somehow so happen you have writing a document or maybe SMS, and the app got close because you didn't notice there was already 5 apps running then it can be frustrating and not a nice experience.
I'm not sure if it will kill the word app or SMS, as I notice, it won't kill off my IE no matter how many apps I open, it will close other app, IE will be in priority and will not be closed. So this can consider as a positive thing.
It will close Office app, but not sure if you have words/excel/powerpoint running, will it close, need to test it.

Yea, that's what I meant about Maemo/MeeGo, they have no limit, so the user needs to be educated and aware. One may argue this can cause problem... well, as I said before, software is flexible, they can actually add a option in settings, allow how many apps to run and what to do if user try to run more app, what to do when an app is not responding or consuming a lot of memory, and so on. They can set by default the recommended and the user can customize it... Software is all about how being creative and making it flexible.

True, we don't know. Just saying that it'll be nice to have. There's no problem with 512MB, it's running smoothly and well, but it's just a "nice to have".

I know you've mentioned it's not based on Windows Mobile. As a smartphone OS, or experience they had, it's like a standard feature or common feature used by many. It's only thanks to Apple, they set new standards and people starts to try to follow it (I highly suspect the management just follow blindly because it's famous).

Many of the standard feature or commonly use, known feature, especially from their past experience, it "should" be there, moreover as a smartphone. Not providing them just basically means the same, and it will "affect" many users, especially their previous Windows Mobile users, and now partnership with Nokia, the Symbian users.
It's a simple thing, and it should be added in and imagine this:
If Windows Phone OS have all these "basic" commonly used and "sort of" standard feature; What do you think Windows Phone will be today?
1. We won't be having these discussion on the restriction and limitation.
2. Symbian users have smoother and less problem in transition/change.
3. Less complains from users, good for both Nokia and Microsoft.
Take note, I didn't say none, but less; There won't be a perfect device, sure will have customer that dislike or doesn't suit, but the key point here is, to cater for more customer and reduce the complains, more satisfied customers; which in current case, I've repeated many times, is easily solved, but it's just a mere "management decisions".

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Added on March 21, 2012, 6:32 pmNot sure what she will write, but in my opinion, there's no need to ditch a product; Reviewers should highlight the "drawbacks" of the device and help to "raise awareness" to the manufacturer in CONSTRUCTIVE ways. Let them how what is the impact, the severity and how it can be easily solved or avoided.

Some people may look at what I write as a negative point, but if they read carefully, I'm trying to convey it constructively, I give scenario and stories, examples, to show how it will affect some people and so on. There's no perfect device, but to make a better device, the users need to feedback on what are the bads and try to get it resolved.
If we ignore or say, it's ok, not so serious for us, then how will we expect the things to change and improve for the better. I mean, everyone wants a better improved OS right? Or do they?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 06:32 PM

Nope, no recent used list. The multitasking is unfortunately the recent used list. Oh, I never noticed that IE doesn't get killed. That's interesting.

Well, I think when N9 runs out of memory it should auto close apps for me. Haha! But that's just me.


Agreed, end of discussion. So now the ball is in Nokia & Microsoft court.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 6:36 pmWell it's not a review, just a 1st impression. You know, a lot products fail on 1st impression. So it's good that it got past that. But don't worry, she'll give her bad points when she's ready. And don't worry, Nokia actually reads her stuff.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 21 2012, 06:36 PM

Her first impression already show plenty ofnegative points. Did you even read her post? Unlike you I comment based on her message I don't judge based on who she is. In fact her article expressed a bunch of hopes and dreams for the Microsoft-Nokia alliance. Frankly I don't know if she can be an unbiased reviewer later as her post already show her clearly biased.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 08:12 PM

Haha, for me, I prefer to have options, to kill or not.
And if it wants to auto, it should know which should not be simply killed, like what WP did on IE, it doesn't get killed, which I kinda like it. I tested it many times, the IE won't get killed, interesting, but the tabs will. Anyway, this can be seen as future improvements on the product.

Let's hope she will highlight the importance of need; It'll need these famous and well-known reviewers or writers to push and raise awareness. They say 1 word is better and more effective than many unknown people say thousands of millions of words.

To test on how many people start bashing without reading (or without understanding) the article, and found 2 so far

Nothing to judge? It is just a first impression - how do someone feel about something the moment they see it. What do you want to judge there?

N9's multitasking limit is very high. Have you seen videos of N9 multitasking more than 20 apps? The phone is still usable. Has anybody reached N9's multitasking limit in normal use?

N9 probably the best multitasking ability. ios and WP7 multitasking are fake (apps are suspended, not multitasked). Even Android doesn't come close. This is what I got from another blog:

"In theory, Android allows apps to continue running in the background, but within many severe restrictions. First of all, all background tasks in total cannot take more than some 5-10% of CPU time, which is very little. Any app that uses more than that when switched to the background will get frozen. Also, if the apps already running in the background get close to the limit and you try to switch to the background another one and the limit gets exceeded, the app will be frozen. And the same for the size of operating memory (RAM) used. Thirdly, Android also restricts which functions can be active in the background. If an app does something that isn't allowed to work in the background, it'll be frozen. And so on..."

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Added on March 21, 2012, 7:48 pmLet me guess. You posted the link because her overall impression was positive. You're just as biased as me. But that's okay, we all have our bias and preferences. Peace.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 07:48 PM

Nop, I posted the link because she has :
1) shared how she felt with Lumia 800 when she started it for the 1st time (her own opinion, nobody can judge anything)
2) She has mentioned about Nokia N9, which I see that nobody in this forum is saying anything about (which is why I wonder if anyone has actually read and got her message). This is a N9 forum and I can't believe that everyone focused on Lumia 800 and not N9 which she has mentioned in the article?

You admit that you are bias. Well and good. Too bad I am not biased. I tried to convey a different message and those who always wants to bash Lumia 800 is very focused on doing only that without looking at the overall picture.

So you're accusing me of not reading her post? Can you honestly admit to me that you actually READ her post before your first reply? I actually finisher her post before I replied you. But can you do the same? And why are you only picking on the NEGATIVES? There aren't any positives in there? Talk about bias!


I've never said anything bad about N9 multitasking, show me where I did. It's the best feature to me & I know about being able to multitask up to 30+ apps. Heck I've done that myself. But you're missing the point. These 30+ apps are doing nothing at the screen there. Try using the phone to load a few big webpage with pics and see it start to slow down (Firefox is very sensitive to this because it has no GUI acceleration).

What happened to me was something different. It's a classic case of running out of RAM & SWAP. The system tries to compensate by paging stuff from RAM to SWAP & paging out stuff from SWAP to RAM & hits a deadlock. This can happen when an app goes overzealous in using RAM & it can happen in any Linux system. I've even waited for 10 minutes & hoped the phone can sort it out but it didn't. Had to use the hold power button more then 8 secs (thank goodness it works) to off the phone.

When you are neutral, we can all have good discussions like me with Andy. But you're biased & choose to be confrontational. I never wanted to answer this way but I see no other choice.

Alright, I'll let you have the last word. This is getting pointless.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 8:27 pmNeither did I say you said anything bad about N9 multitasking. Why so confrontational?

Did your downloading slow down or your phone slow down in doing other tasks? There is a difference here.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Mar 21 2012, 08:29 PM

LOL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Why the heck do I need the last say?

Dude, I'm just telling you what happened to me on HOW my N9 hanged. It's not slow down. Do you understand the difference?

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Added on March 21, 2012, 9:04 pmYeah, very interesting that IE won't get killed. Have to test that. Yeap, the words from 1 person that ppl listens to is definitely way more powerful than the noise from an incoherent crowd

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 21 2012, 09:04 PM

I'm glad you are not as biased as her. She calls herself a February 2011 believer. Enough said.

LoL! Amazing after previously what I've wrote. It's obvious now you want to do something back, it's OK. I've already admitted I gone overboard and got carried away with your posting, but you didn't even want to admit your part or anything else. It's ok, then you come back with this. I kinda knew your motive but I just reply your posting anyway just to see whether you really get over with it already or not.

Anyway, did I say anything wrong about her article? Tell me. Read back what I said again in rational and calm manner.

Regardless it's first impression or not, don't tell me she doesn't know the reliance on Zune, no bluetooth file transfer, etc. When we first hands on Lumia, I already notice many drawback and already asking the Nokia staff.
And what I wrote is simply the article is not really useful, that's all, that's my opinion because I don't see anything useful (well, at least for me), it's more like a happy read and how she think and become more firm with her believe; but for me, I don't agree with it (and I have my own right too). I can disagree, You can agree. We share our point of view and thought. For me, if it wants to be successful, I've said before it needs to resolve the issues it has, I didn't said there's no hope so don't jump to conclusions and so on.

To talk about and highlight a drawback is NORMAL and it's GOOD. You need to differentiate what is between bashing and feedback. Bashing is when people complain without reasoning and just plain talking negatively like to damage the reputation. First impression can always have the Advantage and Disadvange, or Likes and Dislikes.
In the article, it's more like to show how she feels about her Feb 2011 believe and that she was right about how she felt. I didn't say she was wrong to say she was right, I'm merely highlighting she never mentioned these drawbacks. Budden, she don't want to write also not her fault, I was just merely highlighting, not blaming.

Anyway, think whatever you want. After so many discussion in this thread, if you still wish to think negatively on what I've said, then fine, let me be the bad person. If not, then I'm sorry to have misjudge you.

I'm sure N9 has no problems, even N900, Nokia Conversations themselves posted a video, running 24 apps and still going smooth.

Yea, I know; App-Switching style, but for WP7, the IE should have the true multi-tasking ability, it will continue to load in the background, and there's some services which can provide background services feature, it will allow the app to run in the background.

Talking about the drawbacks is not bashing. Or do you mean, we cannot say anything bad about the product?
If not, please describe the proper way, which YOU think is the proper one.

This is embarrassing. With N8, if I want to lock the phone, I flick a side switch and the screen goes blank. But how to do that on an N9?

Brothers, cool down, cool down. Let's go enjoy our...toys, better.

Firefox is a high memory consumer, especially on N900. Web browser too as it's constantly running in the backgruond, the phone will feel hot and consuming battery even in sleep mode.
Previously when I was doing the N9 review, I did stress test video, I didn't really open many apps, but there's Firefox with few tabs, Maps, and several other; It lags pretty badly and I tried to continue play NFS Shift, the phone actually hangs and have to force turn off. Firefox is the main culprit and back then the Firefox is still early version. Not sure about the new one as I seldom or rarely use N9 to browse since I prefer qwerty keyboard.

But to run many apps is possible, just depending what apps.

In N900, with Kmplayer, when you minimize, the video still continues to play, this is quite amazing. Once I output the video to TV, then I receive an SMS, so I switch to multi-tasking window and read the SMS, the video still playing in the TV while my phone screen is in SMS, so I just reply and send; this is pretty amazing, but it does cause some jitter to the video when sending and during receiving. To think about it, N900 only have 256MB Ram, with 768MB being virtual memory... When the virtual memory is used up to certain level, it can cause heavy impact on the performance.
I'm not sure about N9 with virtual memory since the RAM is already so high.

I don't see any problem with "February 2011 believer". It is a positive thought. Only fanboys of something else will straight away talk bad and think negatively about this and continue bashing it as if they can predict the future from their palm.

Press the power/lock button once.

The 3rd button, press 1 time, see the screen go blank with the time on. Dont press too long, will end up shutting down, happen to me a couple of times cos I 'rough' type. Normally use the Restart me app to reboot, seldom use button

i wonder.....don't you think this is the same case as us N9 users? have to wait for all the updates and software develope by freelance developer?

I don't see any problem with with people to disagree with it either. Everyone has their opinion.
If I believe Windows Phone will fail, you can disagree. So, can I say you're also a fanboys of something else? But I never said anything about such things despite all of what you said before.

Do highlight where is the bashing part. I would love to see it and what is bashing means to you.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 11:03 pmActually, most or many Nokia phones also suffer the same, but N900 and N9 is suffers more on the support part.

N8 thread was once very hot, very very hot, lol.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 11:03 PM