thats why i always say...buy the feature, buy the spec
buy the ones that looks value for money
as long as the car has sufficient warranty...nothing can be replaced FREE
plus buying p1 and p2 car...means that alot of ppl will be buying it
if have any problems can come F&F and go to the car club to share and maybe can solve it by self tweaking it only
if u buy those rare car which not alot of ppl own...thn everytime also need to go SC and somemore not alot of mechanic can fix also

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Added on February 16, 2012, 1:30 amdo u mean is this model will be the last using campro engine?

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Feb 16 2012, 01:30 AM

That is what I am asking
With CFE, don't you think Proton has gone as far as they could with the Campro engine?

But last I heard(March 2010), phoenix is an improve Campro, coupled with CVT or 6-speed Getrag gearbox(no sure what happen to this though). CFE is the result of that phoenix project.

Yep CFE is the result of the Phoenix project, what you mentioned was implemented in the Exora Bold. The questions is what's next? Is Proton gonna hang on to Campro IAFM+ & CFE for another 10 years? or will the Family Y engine replace it after P321A.

Linky-link on the Family Y engine rumours....

http://funtastickodesign.wordpress.com/201...ona-r-mac-2012/

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 16 2012, 01:44 AM

Not sure about another 10 year as Proton has set 2015, as the year to intro the Y engine to the market.

(edit) as stated in that blog

This post has been edited by MrssV: Feb 16 2012, 01:46 AM

well...they did supercharge it
it maybe have failed?..not sure...cuz no news abt it
so maybe they end up turbocharge it
well...some ppl say proton future will use mitsu engine
and i got some source saying will use nissan engine
well..all just rumors
we'll just have to wait till lotus finish develope the new engine for proton which not sure when will finish

there's still the p3-22 hatchback using this CFE too i guess..
if it wasn't for the exora (too heavy for NA Campro, even after using the CPS engine), the phoenix project wouldn't exist.

2015 is abit late for the new Family Y engines i reckon.. Should've started designing new engines long long time ago. they should start another bolt on turbo project for the campro in the meantime while waiting for the Y engines. And turbodiesels are long long overdue in malaysian cars.. why bother with hybrids

actually they can go down the direct injection path for campro, but after looking at the quality of the petrol here in msia, they decided otherwise..
anyway campro is quite modular, that is why proton is using it up until now, coz they can pick and mix any tech to this engine during r&d..

anyway the Y family engine is under preliminary works.. but the future of the project rests ultimately on the hands of their new owner..

talk a bout interior design, perhaps proton might wanna take a look at kia c'eed which featured in both paultan and funtasticko. those are really great!

lol have to agree that

i sold mine too

GDI isn't make its way to production coz most of the target market use lower quality fuel.
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...ssue_43_web.pdf
refer pp. 42

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Added on February 16, 2012, 10:19 amoh, senang aje sebenarnye.

ada 2jenis tech.
a. variable valve lift
b. variable valve timing

a. variable valve lift.
campuran minyak+udara perlu masuk ke kebuk pembakaran.
utk masuk, kena lalu satu injap.
injap tu perlu dibuka.
dibuka menggunakan cam.
bukaan tu dipanggil lift.
dlm variable valve lift, ada 2set bentuk cam.
bentuk yg berbeza akan menghasilkan bukaan yg berbeza.
bukaan yg berbeza akan menghasilkan pembakaran yg berbeza.
dlm ertikata lain, power yg berbeza.

b. variable valve timing.
fungsinye ialah menentukan bila bukaan itu patut berlaku.
advance or retard?

contoh2 yg ada di pasaran:
a. variable valve lift - vtec, cps, variocam
b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti

abes tu, [istilah] ni ape pula?
-iafm tu satu cara utk regulate air flow yg akan masuk ke combustion chamber.
iafm+ tu kira improvement.
-cps pn ada "iafm", tp dipanggil vim. fungsi sama, berbeza pd apa yg operatekannye.
-cvvt - continuous vvt ni kira improvement drp normal vvt.

kenapa yg ni ada [istilah] & yg ni xde [istilah]?
-tu sume ikut praktikality & bajet
-biorle engineering yg kasi setel masalah tu..hehe
jgn la lawyer ckp lebat cm engineer.
lawyer mesti xsuka kalu engineer ckp lebat cm lawyer kn?
serahkan urusan pd yg berkelayakan.


sekian.

ps: sila betulkan kalu salah

This post has been edited by farghmee: Feb 16 2012, 10:19 AM

b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti = cvvt? or different?

proton ones - basic vvt

toyota version - dynamic vvt / vvt intelligent
cvvt - Continuous vvt

tech name [vvt]
improvement tech name [cvvt]

branding [dvvt-daihatsu, vvti-toyota]

i dunno if toyota's vvt-i is using cvvt tech?
pls enligthen.

This post has been edited by farghmee: Feb 16 2012, 11:08 AM

same

proton CFE uses vvt only ... inlet only .. exhaust valve tada variable timing .

all is continuous .. at different RPM , different load , the valve advance/retard by certain degree depends on condition.

Nice read, got alot of upgrade for CFE from CPS, new metal gasket, vvt, new auto tensioner for belt, new forged crankshaft, new piston pin, new piston ring, new piston ring groove, oil pump introduced by them.

Really worth the money if anyone buy CFE.

yeah for bot campro...need to find those parts...

This post has been edited by xshiro: Feb 16 2012, 11:22 AM

the original Campro wasn't really that strong to sustain powerful mods, so we'll see if the new CFE is improved in that department

just help vw assemble car la, settle.



proton can export their vw golf gti to asean country, and later on, asian country, more business.

and proton engineer get to involve in the project of designing next generation golf gti, looks good for their resume.

the production worker get a chance to assemble golf gti, world class product.

you get to drive golf gti at local proton price, tabao corner at speed you never dream before.

win-win-win-win-win condition

dunno how much for it...need to find exora cfe halfcut haha