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post Feb 15 2012, 10:40 PM

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Confirm 150hp can work without stress and sweat. 170hp above the cvt has to be strong to handle the abuse.
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post Feb 15 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:35 PM)
back from this CFE engine..their aim is torque thats why the feedback loop base on their torque..back to basic, why u need more power since in the end u need to burn more gas for it since u got same torque in the end..conservation of energy laugh.gif power is work or energy in the given time.
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having more power is at standby only mah.. on demand when you need it.
if you don;t need that, then just rev to medium rpm, max torque lor.. as you know, max torque, the power isn't 100% it;s around 60-70% only wat.. have 30% more on standby is useful but doesnt mean you dont need to use rev to 6k rpm everytime.
its like why drive a 2L car when 1.5L can pull you point A to B? more power standby at your pedal mah.. not to say need to rev all the way when driving right?
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post Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 10:40 PM)
Confirm 150hp can work without stress and sweat. 170hp above the cvt has to be strong to handle the abuse.
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more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 10:44 pm
QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:41 PM)
having more power is at standby only mah.. on demand when you need it.
if you don;t need that, then just rev to medium rpm, max torque lor.. as you know, max torque, the power isn't 100% it;s around 60-70% only wat.. have 30% more on standby is useful but doesnt mean you dont need to use rev to 6k rpm everytime.
its like why drive a 2L car when 1.5L can pull you point A to B? more power standby at your pedal mah.. not to say need to rev all the way when driving right?
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ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK

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post Feb 15 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 10:44 pm
ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK
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haha, and in honor of a fellow engineer who likes crazy frog.. tailor made malaysian car..

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Added on February 15, 2012, 10:50 pm
QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif
yes gearbox is usually see torque figure, but power does come in due to rpm, not every gearbox can tahan 8000rpm at say 300nm,... hence got power limitation also.. biggrin.gif

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post Feb 15 2012, 10:51 PM

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post Feb 15 2012, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 10:44 pm
ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK
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cannot compare like that. the lancer's uses a torque converter

the lancer's cvt is a much larger unit, in fact, it has the specs of the 2.5L taena.

the 2.4l sportback, which uses a cvt, has 226NM of torque
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:53 PM)
cannot compare like that. the lancer's uses a torque converter

the lancer's cvt is a much larger unit, in fact, it has the specs of the 2.5L taena.

the 2.4l sportback, which uses a cvt, has 226NM of torque
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u can refer punch website on how they categorize their VT series on their specific application..they are specialist btw nod.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:01 pm
QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:48 PM)
haha, and in honor of a fellow engineer who likes crazy frog.. tailor made malaysian car..

user posted image

brows.gif  laugh.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 10:50 pm
yes gearbox is usually see torque figure, but power does come in due to rpm, not every gearbox can tahan 8000rpm at say 300nm,... hence got power limitation also..  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 11:00 PM)
u can refer punch website on how they categorize their VT series on their specific application..they are specialist btw nod.gif
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im aware of that. both are very different CVTs

one uses a torque converter, another does not.

also, the Jatco unit is one of the smoothest, was even mentioned by journalists.
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Is CFE Campro standard on all variant of the Proton P321?

Proton may decide to stick with a crappy normal Campro on the lower end model like what they did on the Exora.

On a side note, CVT is not the best transmission to use if you want best 0-100 km/h acceleration time. I hate the mundane 1-tone noise of a CVT. Prefer either a manual or autobox with tiptronic

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post Feb 15 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM)
Is CFE Campro standard on all variant of the Proton P321?

Proton may decide to stick with a crappy normal Campro on the lower end model like what they did on the Exora.
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1.6 IAFM+ manual
1.6 IAFM+ 6 speed CVT
1.6 CFE 7 speed CVT
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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM)
Is CFE Campro standard on all variant of the Proton P321?

Proton may decide to stick with a crappy normal Campro on the lower end model like what they did on the Exora.
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look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:03 pm
QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM)
im aware of that. both are very different CVTs

one uses a torque converter, another does not.

also, the Jatco unit is one of the smoothest, was even mentioned by journalists.
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of cos smooth la, one of the most poweless soft feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 11:02 PM)
1.6 IAFM+ manual
1.6 IAFM+ 6 speed CVT
1.6 CFE 7 speed CVT
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Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:03 PM)
look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:03 pm
of cos smooth la, one of the most poweful feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.
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Not when your baseline engine sucks. I understand economy of scale but they could at least include CPS on the lower end model right.

Even the basic Volkswagen polo which retails for less than 15,000 euro uses a smaller cc 1.2 litre TSI. Good for 105 hp.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:03 PM)
look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:03 pm
of cos smooth la, one of the most poweful feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.
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cuz the engine is very torquey, despite the low horsepower.

good example that 0-100 doesnt matter, the torque curve is the most important.
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM

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why only cvt for CFE? why? mad.gif

FLX 1.6 SE olso got auto only


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post Feb 15 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:04 PM)
Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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I believe that's because IAFM+ was developed for CVT. CPS, nope.
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
Not when your baseline engine sucks. I understand economy of scale but they could at least include CPS on the lower end model right.

Even the basic Volkswagen polo which retails for less than 15,000 euro uses a smaller cc 1.2 litre TSI. Good for 105 hp.
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1.6 IAFM is really a turn off. Like buying a persona facelift + added accessories.
1.6 CFE is real deal.
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
cuz the engine is very torquey, despite the low horsepower.

good example that 0-100 doesnt matter, the torque curve is the most important.
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opps, sorry, typo, i was going to say, jatco in proton/mitsu feels very powerLess.

the one in slyphy is very punchy, i was blown away totally by that uncle car......damn, every step on the pedal, i stick to the chair, no joke. a slyphy, imagine that.
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QUOTE(h4dRi @ Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
why only cvt for CFE? why? mad.gif

FLX 1.6 SE olso got auto only
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sorry ah, FLX SE is also CVT
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM)


On a side note, CVT is not the best transmission to use if you want best 0-100 km/h acceleration time. I hate the mundane 1-tone noise of a CVT. Prefer either a manual or autobox with tiptronic
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theoretically it is.. because during 0-100 it's the only gearbox that doesnt drop rpm like normal fix ratio gearbox i.e. maintain full power of the engine throughout the 0-100 duration. of cos in reallife cvt also got many types.. some good some so so..

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