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post Feb 15 2012, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:11 PM)
theoretically it is.. because during 0-100 it's the only gearbox that doesnt drop rpm like normal fix ratio gearbox i.e. maintain full power of the engine throughout the 0-100 duration. of cos in reallife cvt also got many types.. some good some so so..
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looking at the fragile nature of CVT gearbox....0-100 best done in other ppl's car biggrin.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:08 PM)
the one in slyphy is very punchy, i was blown away totally by that uncle car......damn, every step on the pedal, i stick to the chair, no joke. a slyphy, imagine that.
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perhaps its due to the weight difference. hmm.gif
The Sylphy is a lighter car than the Inspira BTW. Almost 100kg lighter.

mundane sound of engine? Let your own foot to decide what engine note you want to hear then.
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:12 PM)
looking at the fragile nature of CVT gearbox....0-100 best done in other ppl's car biggrin.gif
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that's why you get one that can tahan ratings of 3.5L power/torque but used on 2L.. biggrin.gif then will not shred to pieces so easily..


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:15 pm
QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 11:13 PM)
perhaps its due to the weight difference. hmm.gif
The Sylphy is a lighter car than the Inspira BTW. Almost 100kg lighter.

mundane sound of engine? Let your own foot to decide what engine note you want to hear then.
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that is quite true but today the inspira chasing c200 video the engine like bee buzzing sound.. laugh.gif

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post Feb 15 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:04 PM)
Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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IAFM+ deliver its peak NM at lower RPM than the CPS :>

so for towning purposes, it will do better than CPS actually..
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
Not when your baseline engine sucks. I understand economy of scale but they could at least include CPS on the lower end model right.

Even the basic Volkswagen polo which retails for less than 15,000 euro uses a smaller cc 1.2 litre TSI. Good for 105 hp.
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Sorry... not in Germany. Baseline Polo (Trendline) costs 12450 Euro, it has 60 hp. 12975 Euro gets you 70 hp. Both 1.2. For more power you'd be looking at a higher spec'ed line (Comfortline), where the 70 hp 1.2 costs 14525. A 85 hp 1.4 will then cost you 15500. 16000 will give you a 1.2 TSI with 90 hp. 16850 will finally give you a 105 hp 1.2 TSI, and that is the most powerful petrol engine they offer... unless you go for the GTI, which will give you a 180 hp 1.4. 22825 for that one, although you'd probably be spending much more than that because the car will be rather empty (no radio as far as I can see, and yes, that's for the GTI. The baseline one will be worse).
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:04 PM)
Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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IAFM is sufficient enough for daily driven.

QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:14 PM)
that's why you get one that can tahan ratings of 3.5L power/torque but used on 2L..  biggrin.gif  then will not shred to pieces so easily..


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:15 pm
that is quite true but today the inspira chasing c200 video the engine like bee buzzing sound..  laugh.gif
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Actually now I feel there's nothing to shout about on inspirar. I believe the campro turbo can be on par if not faster than inspirar. My only gripe is how they're going to vent the heat.
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 11:48 PM)
IAFM is sufficient enough for daily driven.
Actually now I feel there's nothing to shout about on inspirar. I believe the campro turbo can be on par if not faster than inspirar. My only gripe is how they're going to vent the heat.
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 11:48 PM)
IAFM is sufficient enough for daily driven.
Actually now I feel there's nothing to shout about on inspirar. I believe the campro turbo can be on par if not faster than inspirar. My only gripe is how they're going to vent the heat.
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With the spec and performance (yet to see), this is way better deal than Inspira. Only that in inspira, you have the impression of mitsu engine's quality, compare to Proton's in house engine.
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actually apart from the early batch of porous Campro in Mahaleel era Gen 2s', lately there isn't much major issues with Proton's Campro line up. Especially after the quality improvement drive done by DSZ.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 11:49 PM)
double radiator fan FTW flex.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 15 2012, 11:53 PM)
With the spec and performance (yet to see), this is way better deal than Inspira. Only that in inspira, you have the impression of mitsu engine's quality, compare to Proton's in house engine.
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No doubt it's an issue that proton needs to address. It has been plaguing the company for years. Well, you cannot not give them the credits for trying right? if they stuck with a boring 4 door saloon with the same normal accessories as vios, one would just top up a bit more and get a dugong for it's superior reliability. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 11:57 PM)
actually apart from the early batch of porous Campro in Mahaleel era Gen 2s', lately there isn't much major issues with Proton's Campro line up. Especially after the quality improvement drive done by DSZ.
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yup it's no longer mundane. For issues of broken door handle they give you magnesium door handles.. erk.. lets just wait for the production unit to roll out.
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post Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM

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very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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QUOTE(ghost321 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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lmao. That's lame if you expect MIVEC engine on Proton car all the time.
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post Feb 16 2012, 12:47 AM

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I for one think that proton should make different engine capacities and different turbo setups fast.
the 1.6l Campro has been around for too long and used in too many cars.
if drb-hicom can get VW to partner Proton in making new batch of TSI,GTI,turbodiesel engines with GDI.. and license them to use the DSG, then thats where proton really becomes international
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QUOTE(ghost321 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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Mitsu engine is no longer a feel good factor for proton.

QUOTE(-cmi- @ Feb 16 2012, 12:42 AM)
lmao. That's lame if you expect MIVEC engine on Proton car all the time.
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Yeah, its getting boring proton and mitsu engine.
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post Feb 16 2012, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(ghost321 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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mivec engine in proton car sound out-to date, if proton keep using mivec then who's want to use their own developed engine. +it's CFE and dont surprise it might better than 2.0 mivec in performance.

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post Feb 16 2012, 01:23 AM

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aiyah, malaysian is like that 1, one of my friend more worst, rather buy suzuki alto also dun wan buy myvi lagi best (which have better feature and more valuable)

after getting the car, now complaint like hell, saying suzuki shit, this and that, swear a lot haha... typical malaysian doh.gif

maybe i also like that tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:47 AM)
I for one think that proton should make different engine capacities and different turbo setups fast.
the 1.6l Campro has been around for too long and used in too many cars.
if drb-hicom can get VW to partner Proton in making new batch of TSI,GTI,turbodiesel engines with GDI.. and license them to use the DSG, then thats where proton really becomes international
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DSG..maybe yes if VW approve..cuz if have better deal for better GB...proton sure take
but in terms of engine...dn't think so
proton always is a mix of japanese + european...design and interior they use european
but whats inside the engine compartment, proton always insist on using japanese for reliability
thats why all along u only see them using either campro or mitsu engine...for durability and reliability issue
and those radiator...etc etc part most are japanese
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post Feb 16 2012, 01:26 AM

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I think I asked this in another thread: Will this be the last Proton model to use the Campro engine block? or is the Proton family-Y engine (suppose to come in 1.2l, 1.5l and 1.8l) still a long way from delivery?

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