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ar188
post Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:24 PM)
no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side
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i just sold the blm saga 2009 1.3auto, got tak tak tak sound the engine, is this that iafm thing causing it ar? vmad.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....
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no no..
cps is a VARIABLE VALVE LIFT system
while CFE is turbo + CVVT

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post Feb 15 2012, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....
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no, no CPS involved

instead this is an engine build ground up from the basic Campro itself. The basic Campro in talk is the one with the notorious with torque dip issue.
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:20 PM)
haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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i think you are wrong in this case, people did shout at honda, but what makes people to continue respect honda is the attitude in handling exception situation. They call back all those affected unit and sincere apologize,

On the other hand, I still recall proton news where the director stood out and say the defects happened in Proton Savvy is acceptable as proton is producing too much unit per days which causing the QC quality going down.

Again, it is attitude.
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
i just sold the blm saga 2009 1.3auto, got tak tak tak sound the engine, is this that iafm thing causing it ar?  vmad.gif
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The first iafm all got problem with tak tak tak sound....change how many time also will be the same
So proton, release iafm+ which fix the problem
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
i just sold the blm saga 2009 1.3auto, got tak tak tak sound the engine, is this that iafm thing causing it ar?  vmad.gif
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if u follow saga BLM club
that "tak tak" sound is just an annoying sound from IAFM
doesn't mean the IAFM is faulty or broken
something small inside is causing that noise...forgot what name
the IAFM is working perfectly...just the annoying noise only
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:29 PM)
no no..
cps is a VARIABLE VALVE LIFT system
while CFE is turbo + CVVT
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hmm.........i tot CPS is CVVT? i mean different name but same concept? CFE using a better CVVT system than the normal CPS .....

correct me if im wrong, noob here brows.gif brows.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 09:32 PM)
if u follow saga BLM club
that "tak tak" sound is just an annoying sound from IAFM
doesn't mean the IAFM is faulty or broken
something small inside is causing that noise...forgot what name
the IAFM is working perfectly...just the annoying noise only
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can it be claimed under waranty or how much this thing cost to repair.. i dowan diesel sounding proton.. laugh.gif

anyway sold liao..
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
hmm.........i tot CPS is CVVT? i mean different name but same concept? CFE using a better CVVT system than the normal CPS .....

correct me if im wrong, noob here brows.gif  brows.gif
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no cps system is just like vtec where by there two valve lift profiles.. that is all.. while cvvt changes the cam phase depending on the rpm
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:37 PM

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Sorry guy to make ppl argue abt the SRS... not that im bashing about the SRS airbag got on/off button....

you now lahhh all malaysian ppl complain this and that if they forget to switch it on back....
eg. like said if carried baby infront switch off passenger SRS then later lupa to on back got accident.... then complain malfunctino pulakk...hahaha... just my opinion.. No matter got on/off button make sure drive safe loh....

cheers.....

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post Feb 15 2012, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:24 PM)
no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side
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ops my bad, thanks for correction. i'm confuse with the spec IAFM and CFE engine

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post Feb 15 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(ju146 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:30 PM)
i think you are wrong in this case, people did shout at honda, but what makes people to continue respect honda is the attitude in handling exception situation. They call back all those affected unit and sincere apologize,

On the other hand, I still recall proton news where the director stood out and say the defects happened in Proton Savvy is acceptable as proton is producing too much unit per days which causing the QC quality going down.

Again, it is attitude.
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yup..thats what holding the proton from snatching japanese cars sells..it is very hard to change the people mindset once people already suffer..
http://www.aduanrakyat.com.my/kerosakan-enjin-cvt-saga-flx
very new car also can have such a major problem..at least they should handle it professionally..as it is obviously the manufacturer's defect..hope this new model wont suffer from the major problems..

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post Feb 15 2012, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:36 PM)
no cps system is just like vtec where by there two valve lift profiles.. that is all.. while cvvt changes the cam phase depending on the rpm
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oh ic, so vtec n cps is VVT, while CVVT is a better n newer technology.........ok got it.....learnt sumtin new today thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM)
torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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u cant just simply separate torque and power coz they have direct relationship for a rotating shaft..go figure bro icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:40 PM)
oh ic, so vtec n cps is VVT, while CVVT is a better n newer technology.........ok got it.....learnt sumtin new today thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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er VTEC and CPS only alters the valve lift not the valve timing itself, while CVVT alters the valve timing and not valve lift..
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 09:41 PM)
u cant just simply separate torque and power coz they have direct relationship for a rotating shaft..go figure bro icon_rolleyes.gif
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well he's talking about low to medium torque figure, which is actually low to medium rpm power. while when we talk about power, it refers to max rpm power the engine can produce.
it'll be foolish to think 205nm max torque is produced at 138bhp so go figure. smile.gif

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:42 PM)
er VTEC and CPS only alters the valve lift not the valve timing itself, while CVVT alters the valve timing and not valve lift..
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rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif .........lol......quite complicated ar.......haha
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:44 PM)
rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif .........lol......quite complicated ar.......haha
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no so, imagine vtec is 2 step, while the other is many many fine step.. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:38 PM)
yup..thats what holding the proton from snatching japanese cars sells..it is very hard to change the people mindset once people already suffer..
http://www.aduanrakyat.com.my/kerosakan-enjin-cvt-saga-flx
very new car also can have such a major problem..at least they should handle it professionally..as it is obviously the manufacturer's defect..hope this new model wont suffer from the major problems..
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I feel sad for the first batch flx owner, they(proton) didnt put cvt cooler so that the cvt wont overheat
Lucky proton fix it fast...hopefully no more like this cos if not no one gonna trust on proton reliability test anymore
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
can it be claimed under waranty or how much this thing cost to repair.. i dowan diesel sounding proton..  laugh.gif

anyway sold liao..
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yes..it can be claimed under warranty

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