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post Feb 15 2012, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 10:12 AM)
local car at higher price, very hard la.

u see, inspira which is a lancer, cannot pwn honda city and vios!!  imagine that.

a lancer cannot pwn city and vios.

this turbo car....well....its not going to lure the vios and city buyer.

its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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also for those ppl like me driving a 12 year old waja to change.
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:13 PM)
Ya lor. Price pun power la.
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er....turbo = rm10000, and a lot problem tongue.gif

so now u see a lot 308thp for sale biggrin.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php
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bro, all those cars using Double clutches or like 308 T, uses aisin 6 speed, this one maybe they place a little lower to allow realistic numbers. MAybe dont want to over kill the product promo, later ppl time it cannot get, kena belasah from F&F again.
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 04:20 PM)
also for those ppl like me driving a 12 year old waja to change.
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lolx...im driving a 12 years old waja too~~~thinking to change new car also...xD
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(be7a @ Feb 15 2012, 03:52 PM)
no wonder u still drive moto  unsure.gif
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how do u know? i don't even have a moto license


Added on February 15, 2012, 4:27 pm
QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
lolx...im driving a 12 years old waja too~~~thinking to change new car also...xD
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good, pls write a review here after u get it

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
bro, all those cars using Double clutches or like 308 T, uses aisin 6 speed, this one maybe they place a little lower to allow realistic numbers. MAybe dont want to over kill the product promo, later ppl time it cannot get, kena belasah from F&F again.
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hahaha, now already kena belasah tongue.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php
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er, frenchman is slow and steady, and take a cup of coffee....

same engine in mini cooper S, pls check the time wink.gif

mini cooper S 200kg lighter. 7 seconds wink.gif

so, 100kg = 1 second biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php
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and how much are these cars selling?
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QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
lolx...im driving a 12 years old waja too~~~thinking to change new car also...xD
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i have been waiting for a moment, i refuse to get a vios, as it is wasting my money, but i dont want to spend too much on a car. more than 100k.

affordability issue. my criteria was to get a Forced inducted car or a Double clutched GB, otherwise CVT will do also. plus as much goodies as possible.

looking at this spec, even with inter wifi i say wah lau weh.
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:30 PM

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well CVT will kill the 0-100 times..
a manual+CFE engine would have been perfect..
i wonder wat r3 can do to the car.. add a high pressure turbo or increase bar perhaps? tasty...
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 09:29 AM)
and how much are these cars selling?
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Higher price than proton of course. You get what you pay for!

Higher perfomance engine = more money

But for this CFE engine i think it's more to the limitation of the gearbox.

At least now people are comparing proton's engine with the like of BMW and audi.

This post has been edited by razkal: Feb 15 2012, 04:39 PM
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:33 PM

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I personally think that P3-21A is not a derivative of the 'Tuah' conceptual car. P3-21A is more like Pesona replacement.

The real 'tuah' most probably will use higher capacity engine which still in development (Family 'y') which comes in 1.2, 1.5 and 1.8l. All this might come with force induction (CFE) as well.

But seriously, P3-21A is gonna be a huge success for Proton (finger cross).
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
Smart wor... who will so dumb buy Proton?! Only people with no money will ever buy a proton man.

Especially those over glorified Inspira with their Campro engine.. sigh... E36 sure blow them all out of the water lah! Can get more chicks also!
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 03:55 PM)
Oh, sorry. Didn't know. My condolences.

@MR_alien: The Japanese are struggling a bit, but I think in Europe they do have competitive cars. Only in Malaysia a 4AT is a good feature, since mechanics know it well and it is well proven. smile.gif

Almost all contis (and Japs and Koreans in Europe) have that airbag turn off feature. You don't have it, you lose stars in EuroNCAP. There are rear mounted baby seats (baby facing the rear of the car, but sitting on the front seat). For those an airbag would be deadly. No airbag means the seatbelt and the baby seat will keep the baby safe. smile.gif
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the japanese actually have competitive car
cars having CVT GB and many features
but those car are for japanese and other foreign countries only
in asean, it is the higher end of the car...like altis and camry
the 5 local asean model doesn't stand a chance at all

and airbags on/off
other brand also have...ppl just quiet
when proton have it..ppl go bash abt it

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On paper, the P 3-21 A is very competitive.
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:31 PM)
Higher price than proton of course. You get what you pay for!

Higher perfomance engine = more money

But for this CFE engine i think it's more to the limitation of the gearbox.

At least now people are comparing proton's engine with the like of BMW and audi.
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yeah the gearbox limits the amount of torque that can be produced by the engine, if it's stronger, this engine has huge potential. i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM)
Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously  tested in different climate/altitude.
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performance...turbo charger is from Borg-Warner
and most of the part in the engine compartment is from japan...brand is mostly denso
aircon use the best...sanden brand
CVT from punch
proton's other part came from all around the world..like saga...got some part from turkey, from france...etc


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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 04:58 PM)
yeah the gearbox limits the amount of torque that can be produced by the engine, if it's stronger, this engine has huge potential.  i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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they already did
the 1.6L IAFM+ of course...not CFE
the 1.3L IAFM+ + CVT = user already go 180KM/H
the 1.6L IAFM+ must be even faster
if put in CFE...not sure the car can handle or not tongue.gif

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Feb 15 2012, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 04:58 PM)
i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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post Feb 15 2012, 05:10 PM

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what about ala-carte the engine + cvt n plug into saga?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 04:59 PM)
performance...turbo charger is from Borg-Warner
and most of the part in the engine compartment is from japan...brand is mostly denso
aircon use the best...sanden brand
CVT from punch
proton's other part came from all around the world..like saga...got some part from turkey, from france...etc


Added on February 15, 2012, 5:06 pm
they already did
the 1.6L IAFM+ of course...not CFE
the 1.3L IAFM+ + CVT = user already go 180KM/H
the 1.6L IAFM+ must be even faster
if put in CFE...not sure the car can handle or not tongue.gif
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these are not turbocharged right?

new slogan for Perodua 1.5 Meevi will be "Lagi underPower, Lagi Best!"

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Feb 15 2012, 05:12 PM

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