QUOTE(timetravelller @ Feb 15 2012, 03:46 PM)
if no airbag? Full P3-21A Specs and Info!
Full P3-21A Specs and Info!
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Feb 15 2012, 03:47 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM) every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front. it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag? it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features. bro., do u have a baby?let alone u have to carry the baby while no other person to monitor the baby for u. having front passanger airbag is good for adult passanger. having front passanger airbag switched off is a bliss for baby. |
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Feb 15 2012, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM) every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front. it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag? it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features. This feature is invented because of using child seat with ISOFIX standard. It is normal for a mother to put her baby at the front seat so that she can still can see the baby. This is international standard already, if some of you don't understand that, don't blame the researchers that put a lot of time to improve the safety of the passengers. |
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Feb 15 2012, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM) every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front. it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag? it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features. no wonder u still drive moto |
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Feb 15 2012, 03:52 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 02:40 PM) Oh, sorry. Didn't know. My condolences.@MR_alien: The Japanese are struggling a bit, but I think in Europe they do have competitive cars. Only in Malaysia a 4AT is a good feature, since mechanics know it well and it is well proven. Almost all contis (and Japs and Koreans in Europe) have that airbag turn off feature. You don't have it, you lose stars in EuroNCAP. There are rear mounted baby seats (baby facing the rear of the car, but sitting on the front seat). For those an airbag would be deadly. No airbag means the seatbelt and the baby seat will keep the baby safe. Judging from the thought that went into this car, and the features it has it is clear to me that they want to properly enter Europe again. Which could also be a great marketing strategy. "Proton P3-21A... outselling the Toyota Yaris/Vios in Europe." Ok... I think that's not going to happen because Yaris buyers are those who only care about reliability, it's more likely that the Proton hurts sales of Korean, Romanian and perhaps French cars. |
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Feb 15 2012, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Feb 15 2012, 07:26 AM) |
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Feb 15 2012, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 03:56 PM) |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM
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0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.
Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s.. |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:05 PM
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i think the front end looks quite aggressive as it is.. but i think it looks better without that sorta dip below the logo, y is proton so adamant 2 have that anyway??
btw, looks promising.. one of my most anticipated cars 2 launch this year.. the buttons on the dash looks like a huge improvement than the buttons in protons of yesteryear. |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 08:58 AM) most of the part from our local car are from big big companies what.....only the design and assembly are local. and of cos those big big companies opened here and hired local ppl also. Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good. It also stated that the engine had been vigorously tested in different climate/altitude. |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM
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Promising...tempting. But my waja is on its 3rd year
Maybe can ask my parents to buy This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:08 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM) Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability. 1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good. It also stated that the engine had been vigorously tested in different climate/altitude. bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car. this is power. |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:12 PM
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i like SMOOTHE Pick up, hahahah, what the heck
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Feb 15 2012, 04:13 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 04:09 PM) 1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know. well i guess it sorta helps when you have bmw and peugeot working on it together right? with proton and its budget bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car. this is power. i think from the lotus article it said that they developed the torque to be within the limits of the Punch CVT gearbox and to be more reliable.. otherwise why stop at 138 hp?? |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM) 0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s. actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s.. Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php This post has been edited by kenji1903: Feb 15 2012, 04:18 PM |
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 04:05 PM) i think the front end looks quite aggressive as it is.. but i think it looks better without that sorta dip below the logo, y is proton so adamant 2 have that anyway?? I don't mind the dip, it looks good. However I think the whole air intake section is too big. A bit slimmer might look nicer. Also without the dip it could be possible to remove the logo for a cleaner, meaner look. Like people like to do with VWs.btw, looks promising.. one of my most anticipated cars 2 launch this year.. the buttons on the dash looks like a huge improvement than the buttons in protons of yesteryear. |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:14 AM) well i guess it sorta helps when you have bmw and peugeot working on it together right? with proton and its budget Yerp..i.ve read that the punch CVT cant handle more than 205nm torque. If they use different gearbox, the power might be higher. Cause like you said. It was built within the limit of the gearbox. i think from the lotus article it said that they developed the torque to be within the limits of the Punch CVT gearbox and to be more reliable.. otherwise why stop at 138 hp?? But i guess it's better for proton cause now they start to compare with BMW. lol |
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