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kenji1903
post Feb 15 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Feb 15 2012, 03:46 PM)
speed of air bag more than 200km/h would have break the neck of baby or kiddo.
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if no airbag? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM)
every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front.  it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag?  it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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bro., do u have a baby?
let alone u have to carry the baby while no other person to monitor the baby for u.

having front passanger airbag is good for adult passanger.
having front passanger airbag switched off is a bliss for baby.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM)
every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front.  it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag?  it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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This feature is invented because of using child seat with ISOFIX standard. It is normal for a mother to put her baby at the front seat so that she can still can see the baby. This is international standard already, if some of you don't understand that, don't blame the researchers that put a lot of time to improve the safety of the passengers.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM)
every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front.  it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag?  it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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no wonder u still drive moto unsure.gif
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 03:47 PM)
if no airbag? hmm.gif
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no airbag is fine.

kancil sit 6 ppl also no problem laugh.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 02:40 PM)
Plis dont make fun la..those victim in the picture was prego women died in the car sad.gif
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Oh, sorry. Didn't know. My condolences.

@MR_alien: The Japanese are struggling a bit, but I think in Europe they do have competitive cars. Only in Malaysia a 4AT is a good feature, since mechanics know it well and it is well proven. smile.gif

Almost all contis (and Japs and Koreans in Europe) have that airbag turn off feature. You don't have it, you lose stars in EuroNCAP. There are rear mounted baby seats (baby facing the rear of the car, but sitting on the front seat). For those an airbag would be deadly. No airbag means the seatbelt and the baby seat will keep the baby safe. smile.gif

Judging from the thought that went into this car, and the features it has it is clear to me that they want to properly enter Europe again. Which could also be a great marketing strategy. "Proton P3-21A... outselling the Toyota Yaris/Vios in Europe." Ok... I think that's not going to happen because Yaris buyers are those who only care about reliability, it's more likely that the Proton hurts sales of Korean, Romanian and perhaps French cars.
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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Feb 15 2012, 07:26 AM)
thumbup.gif Nice info about the CFE engine. I pretty much like 205nm of torque at 2000-4000rpm. And the turbocharger came from Borg-Warner ! At 1500 rpm, the engine already reach 150nm. This is sufficient enough to move the car in the city and should be low in FC. Looking forward for this new car.
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post Feb 15 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 03:56 PM)
thumbup.gif  Nice info about the CFE engine. I pretty much like 205nm of torque at 2000-4000rpm. And the turbocharger came from Borg-Warner ! At 1500 rpm, the engine already reach 150nm. This is sufficient enough to move the car in the city and should be low in FC. Looking forward for this new car.
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most of the part from our local car are from big big companies what.....only the design and assembly are local. and of cos those big big companies opened here and hired local ppl also.


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post Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM

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0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.

Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:05 PM

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i think the front end looks quite aggressive as it is.. but i think it looks better without that sorta dip below the logo, y is proton so adamant 2 have that anyway??

btw, looks promising.. one of my most anticipated cars 2 launch this year.. the buttons on the dash looks like a huge improvement than the buttons in protons of yesteryear.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 08:58 AM)
most of the part from our local car are from big big companies what.....only the design and assembly are local. and of cos those big big companies opened here and hired local ppl also.
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Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously tested in different climate/altitude.
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM

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Promising...tempting. But my waja is on its 3rd year sweat.gif
Maybe can ask my parents to buy laugh.gif

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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM)
0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.

Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..
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inspira 2.0CVT need 10.5 seconds nod.gif
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM)
Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously  tested in different climate/altitude.
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1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.

bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car.

this is power.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 09:09 AM)
1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.

bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car.

this is power.
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Ya lor. Price pun power la.
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 04:09 PM)
1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.

bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car.

this is power.
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well i guess it sorta helps when you have bmw and peugeot working on it together right? with proton and its budget sweat.gif
i think from the lotus article it said that they developed the torque to be within the limits of the Punch CVT gearbox and to be more reliable..
otherwise why stop at 138 hp??
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM)
0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.

Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..
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actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php

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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 04:05 PM)
i think the front end looks quite aggressive as it is.. but i think it looks better without that sorta dip below the logo, y is proton so adamant 2 have that anyway??

btw, looks promising.. one of my most anticipated cars 2 launch this year.. the buttons on the dash looks like a huge improvement than the buttons in protons of yesteryear.
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I don't mind the dip, it looks good. However I think the whole air intake section is too big. A bit slimmer might look nicer. Also without the dip it could be possible to remove the logo for a cleaner, meaner look. Like people like to do with VWs.
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:14 AM)
well i guess it sorta helps when you have bmw and peugeot working on it together right? with proton and its budget  sweat.gif
i think from the lotus article it said that they developed the torque to be within the limits of the Punch CVT gearbox and to be more reliable..
otherwise why stop at 138 hp??
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Yerp..i.ve read that the punch CVT cant handle more than 205nm torque. If they use different gearbox, the power might be higher. Cause like you said. It was built within the limit of the gearbox.

But i guess it's better for proton cause now they start to compare with BMW. lol

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