QUOTE(_H20_ @ Jul 18 2012, 08:17 AM)
hope your wish will come true..that's why i told every Malaysian have a dream to drive Honda
2012 Honda Civic Malaysian Version Revealed!, Here's how our new civic will look like!
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Jul 18 2012, 08:54 AM
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Jul 18 2012, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha |
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Jul 18 2012, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) bro, i don't think i have ever seen a new model launched which is priced cheaper than its previous version. the price increase for 2.0 is about 2K. if you averaged out 2K over ~5 years, and factor in the inflation, and some of the features given and also the new 5 years warranty - i dont think the buyers are any worse off. i think the debate between SOHC vs. DOHC will be never ending, but to the normal users - i dont think the difference will be obvious. Do you know that the manufacturing side always have an opposite thinking than the average consumer like bro? Each year they will strive for the lowest cost and cut cost to lower down the price of the car. btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha And yet, we keep thinking the car price MUST go up. Gen8 already price up 3x from RM120k if not mistaken. Put in some different design accessory and up the price. The base car it still the same. The torque of the car is still the same. The engine is still the same. So what change? Does the gen9 better than the gen8? Do the engine have more HP and torque? Does the handling better than the gen8? This car if not lifestyle. You pay additional RM34k+ stupid tax to the gov. And see this car as an expensive car? The japanese is laughing at me. Added on July 18, 2012, 10:04 am QUOTE(electron @ Jul 17 2012, 10:54 PM) local content doesn't mean cheaper parts If can't lower the price from the local content, than no point saying want to acheive 60% local content. Does it make sense? typically locally assembled cars has a lower price due to tax differences but to say that local content means cheaper parts, hence lower car price is not always accurate you need to look at the volume and economy of scale for the local made parts which would you think make the cheaper part? - a factory in japan producing a part at a volume of 100,000 a year - a local factory making 10,000 of the same part a year This post has been edited by ozak: Jul 18 2012, 10:04 AM |
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Jul 18 2012, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 09:15 AM) Bro, since ure aware that Malaysian car prices are expensive, all the more reason why VALUE FOR MONEY should be a major consideration. Having something that's value for money doesnt mean it must be cheaper than the rest. It can cost more but also be value for money. Its all about what you get for that price tag. A Vios costs about 80K but is it value for money? Surely not. why dont we have the configurator like others got outside?i mean got the basic price and people want what they want then add up la. then add up sure got price increase this system may cost more but in the end we pay what we want, and it also can give better definition 'value for money' according to personal specific market size is a problem? i dont think so. |
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Jul 18 2012, 11:07 AM
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Jul 18 2012, 11:10 AM
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Jul 18 2012, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 18 2012, 10:51 AM) why dont we have the configurator like others got outside? too much customization might not be cost effective.. using many man hours to customize each car, and parts can be oversupply if its not popular or shortage if its over demand, causes a lot of cost inefficiency..i mean got the basic price and people want what they want then add up la. then add up sure got price increase this system may cost more but in the end we pay what we want, and it also can give better definition 'value for money' according to personal specific market size is a problem? i dont think so. From business point of view, just setting to few variance is enough. But for consumer, we might be over buying things that we dont want.. its all about business and profit bro.. |
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Jul 18 2012, 01:15 PM
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Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 09:15 AM) Bro, since ure aware that Malaysian car prices are expensive, all the more reason why VALUE FOR MONEY should be a major consideration. Having something that's value for money doesnt mean it must be cheaper than the rest. It can cost more but also be value for money. Its all about what you get for that price tag. A Vios costs about 80K but is it value for money? Surely not. lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k.say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong |
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Jul 18 2012, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. well said..say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong myself drive a vios.my friend keeps telling me its a dugong..so do i care?the maintenance of my vios is lower than a proton..never give any trouble..good FC...and most important, my friend will butthurt to see i pocket more than 20k when selling the car next year and get a civic (hopefully lah |
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Jul 18 2012, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. hmm, sounds like you own a forte and had a horrible time on it, mind to share your horrible experience towards the car? say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong |
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Jul 18 2012, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. Its only you who assumed that we assumed we're driving an Audi. If u wanna argue, please do so with facts yea? say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong And btw, i was a Toyota user for 9 years and i have never denied the good resale value or the after sales service standards of Toyota. And even if the Forte isnt as good as an Audi, its still the best value for money 2.0L out there at RM97K. And since ure talking about being underpowered, im sure u havent test driven the Camry 2.0L and yes i presume the Mazda6 has more character than the Civic eh? LOL! Again, go read the previous posts rather than butting in half way with some half baked replies. Btw, hows Flora Damansara these days? Added on July 18, 2012, 5:48 pm QUOTE(denfire @ Jul 18 2012, 05:26 PM) hmm, sounds like you own a forte and had a horrible time on it, mind to share your horrible experience towards the car? Read his previous posts and ull be able to figure out what car he drives now. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.Added on July 18, 2012, 5:51 pm QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 18 2012, 04:28 PM) well said.. I got more than 37K when i sold my 9 yr old Vios. Great resale value and good after sales service but was the car worth its 74K price tag? Surely not with the kind of crap specs i got. Plus with that super thin milo body and hard plastics all around, im glad i didnt get into any major accidents. myself drive a vios.my friend keeps telling me its a dugong..so do i care?the maintenance of my vios is lower than a proton..never give any trouble..good FC...and most important, my friend will butthurt to see i pocket more than 20k when selling the car next year and get a civic (hopefully lah This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 18 2012, 05:53 PM |
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Jul 18 2012, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. fd2 7yrs old? and sells at 85k? wow !!say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong |
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Jul 18 2012, 06:05 PM
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d way u god praise a forte gives d assumption that u feel ur driving an audi. No more to that. Period.
Best value 2.0L is forte. Give u d benefit of doubt (which ur alr most definite wrong), even ur forte is d best value for money NOW, what happens when u sell 5 yrs later? u gonna bleed like a girl menstruating kiddo. money lost then can cover value gained now? Value is perception, but real money lost when u sell then its d real thing. Y are u so less intelligent? Unless u keep ur forte for 20yrs, then i lose. but not impossible looking at u driving a vios for 9 yrs. 20 yrs is just 9 X 2, + another 2. way to go dude! Just now mazda 6, now camry, next? what i drive is my problem. i dun need u to know what i drive. If u compare even a vios and forte, industry players are not stupid to put a 1.5l car similar price to a 2.0l kiddo. remember this rule - gd things r not cheap, cheap things are not good. u have a long long way to go and learn. sad but true |
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Jul 18 2012, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 06:05 PM) d way u god praise a forte gives d assumption that u feel ur driving an audi. No more to that. Period. Typical wannabe mentality. I dont even own a Forte and yet this fool assumes such. Yes for your sake, go on assuming i own a Forte. LOL! Best value 2.0L is forte. Give u d benefit of doubt (which ur alr most definite wrong), even ur forte is d best value for money NOW, what happens when u sell 5 yrs later? u gonna bleed like a girl menstruating kiddo. money lost then can cover value gained now? Value is perception, but real money lost when u sell then its d real thing. Y are u so less intelligent? Unless u keep ur forte for 20yrs, then i lose. but not impossible looking at u driving a vios for 9 yrs. 20 yrs is just 9 X 2, + another 2. way to go dude! Just now mazda 6, now camry, next? what i drive is my problem. i dun need u to know what i drive. If u compare even a vios and forte, industry players are not stupid to put a 1.5l car similar price to a 2.0l kiddo. remember this rule - gd things r not cheap, cheap things are not good. u have a long long way to go and learn. sad but true And yes i dont need to make mistakes like owning some silly property in Flora Damansara to learn something about properties. Pity, ure still living in your make believe world. Must be frustrating to actually stand up to all those who have overtaken you in life eh? I think its you who needs to try harder. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 18 2012, 06:12 PM |
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Jul 18 2012, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 06:09 PM) Typical wannabe mentality. I dont even own a Forte and yet this fool assumes such. Yes for your sake, go on assuming i own a Forte. LOL! oriteAnd yes i dont need to make mistakes like owning some silly property in Flora Damansara to learn something about properties. Pity, ure still living in your make believe world. Must be frustrating to actually stand up to all those who have overtaken you in life eh? I think its you who needs to try harder. jus now mazda 6, then camry now f dsara y do u keep loving to tok bout property in a car forum? r u serious? but jus to make u happy, i admit f dsara was the only prop i could afford then. it was 9 yrs back. bought at 118k. It was not silly, jus i couldnt afford any other props. story now is diff kiddo. not here to show off, but just to cement ur less of intelligence. its too obvious that i had to participate and make fun of it |
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Jul 18 2012, 09:00 PM
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Japanese cars are so good, even before buying the cars people are already thinking about selling them, hence the resale value argument...
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Jul 18 2012, 09:14 PM
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Jul 18 2012, 09:22 PM
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lat weekend i sawed the cars at tropicanat city mall
jazz hybrid, sexy as usual. insight, so so nia. civic hybrid, interesting, as expected for that price range. if u want a hybrid, but duwan pay 145K, and think that 9XK is too cheap, this car is for you. |
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Jul 18 2012, 10:48 PM
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Is hybrid worth it?
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