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 2012 Honda Civic Malaysian Version Revealed!, Here's how our new civic will look like!

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mokhzaini
post Jul 18 2012, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(guilt79 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:48 PM)
Is hybrid worth it?
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i would say yes. but, just.

the premium over the basic spec 1.8L is nearly 5k. and with all the gadgetry i.e leather seats (outside install maybe 2k average), push start button keyless entry keyless start ( another 2k? if install outside ), etc, however the best bit the hybrid is CBU which means quality should be top notch.
a new powerful engine is another new stuff but i dont quite agree with the price tag actually.

people keep asking about test driving the hybrid, but so far i dont see any branch offering it
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post Jul 18 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 07:05 PM)
d way u god praise a forte gives d assumption that u feel ur driving an audi. No more to that. Period.

Best value 2.0L is forte.  Give u d benefit of doubt (which ur alr most definite wrong), even ur forte is d best value for money NOW, what happens when u sell 5 yrs later? u gonna bleed like a girl menstruating kiddo.  money lost then can cover value gained now?  Value is perception, but real money lost when u sell then its d real thing.  Y are u so less intelligent?

Unless u keep ur forte for 20yrs, then i lose.  but not impossible looking at u driving a vios for 9 yrs. 20 yrs is just 9 X 2, + another 2. way to go dude!

Just now mazda 6, now camry, next?

what i drive is my problem. i dun need u to know what i drive.

If u compare even a vios and forte, industry players are not stupid to put a 1.5l car similar price to a 2.0l kiddo.

remember this rule - gd things r not cheap, cheap things are not good.

u have a long long way to go and learn.

sad but true
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if everybody in Mysia buys Vios,City,Civic,Avanza we will be like Bangladesh, Indonesia and Cambodia in no time..

Sorry no offense.

What taste or intelligence you think you have if u can't even differentiate some finer things in life such as soft-padded dashboard and trip computers? (fd2 didn't even come with one mind you).

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post Jul 18 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 17 2012, 12:35 PM)
Bro ure not getting the point. Would Americans still buy the Camry if it came with 2 airbags and a 10 yr old gearbox and engine? But Malaysians are still doing that despite having to pay so much more. So u cant compare Americans and Malaysians and say both are the same. Yes both may support the same brand but they are not supporting the same specs at the same price level. If the current Camry came with the same specs as its American counterparts, even i might be tempted to get the Camry ( that is if i can overcome the poor design).  biggrin.gif
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yeh bro, i totally get your point. as you can see, i'm not saying that the camry or the civic ain't overpriced, they are in fact overpriced when compared to the korean marques, but hey kia and hyundai are represented by AP king Naza and government owned SDAC... they are not playing on the same ground since day 1.

my argument is actually directed to those that are trying to convince everyone that the rest of the world had abandoned the japanese which ain't true at all.
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post Jul 19 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 18 2012, 11:39 PM)
if everybody in Mysia buys Vios,City,Civic,Avanza we will be like Bangladesh, Indonesia and Cambodia in no time..

Sorry no offense.

What taste or intelligence you think you have if u can't even differentiate some finer things inĀ  life such as soft-padded dashboard and trip computers? (fd2 didn't even come with one mind you).

Cheers..
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fd2 was produced in 2006, most prob design in 2003 onwards. touch screen, navigation tat time was considered high end features.

if im brainless like the way u think and talk, even a 520i today RM330k does not come with a reverse camera.

Alza today comes with a reverse camera

Based on ur brainless comment, alza is a finer car?

what utter rubbish

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zib5
post Jul 19 2012, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 19 2012, 01:15 AM)
fd2 was produced in 2006, most prob design in 2003 onwards. touch screen, navigation tat time was considered high end features.

if im brainless like the way u think and talk, even a 520i today RM330k does not come with a reverse camera.

Alza today comes with a reverse camera

Based on ur brainless comment, alza is a finer car?

what utter rubbish
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you missed the point really..anyway..

it is ok I know your level already by this comment..

cheers
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post Jul 19 2012, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(cody1508 @ Jul 18 2012, 11:52 PM)
yeh bro, i totally get your point. as you can see, i'm not saying that the camry or the civic ain't overpriced, they are in fact overpriced when compared to the korean marques, but hey kia and hyundai are represented by AP king Naza and  government owned SDAC... they are not playing on the same ground since day 1.

my argument is actually directed to those that are trying to convince everyone that the rest of the world had abandoned the japanese which ain't true at all.
I dont think anybody has said that the world has abandoned the Japs. The sales figures are proof of that. But what many ppl are saying is that the Japanese will become irrelevent in time if they dont keep up with the tech especially when not only the Koreans but also the Europeans are starting to better equip their cars in Asia while still offering affordable pricing.
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post Jul 19 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 19 2012, 09:44 AM)
I dont think anybody has said that the world has abandoned the Japs. The sales figures are proof of that. But what many ppl are saying is that the Japanese will become irrelevent in time if they dont keep up with the tech especially when not only the Koreans but also the Europeans are starting to better equip their cars in Asia while still offering affordable pricing.
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well said, totally agreed on you. rclxms.gif

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post Jul 19 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 19 2012, 09:44 AM)
I dont think anybody has said that the world has abandoned the Japs. The sales figures are proof of that. But what many ppl are saying is that the Japanese will become irrelevent in time if they dont keep up with the tech especially when not only the Koreans but also the Europeans are starting to better equip their cars in Asia while still offering affordable pricing.
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But they are keeping up with tech. They are just branching off in a different direction compared to the Europeans by going electric and hybrid. IMO, superchargers and turbocharging have been around for awhile now, if they had wanted to offer it, I'm sure they could have done so long ago but they aren't, and their offerings of recent years are both standard petrol and hybrid versions.

Diesel engine isn't even an option in many parts of the world which they sell their cars except in Europe.

Plus Cody did highlight upon one fact, both Hyundai and KIA are carried by government linked companies so who knows what sort of benefits they have when their cars are assembled and imported here? Not sure if UMW is the same, but it probably has some government links as well.

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post Jul 19 2012, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 19 2012, 11:33 AM)
Plus Cody did highlight upon one fact, both Hyundai and KIA are carried by government linked companies so who knows what sort of benefits they have when their cars are assembled and imported here? Not sure if UMW is the same, but it probably has some government links as well.
Trust me when i say this. UMW has much stronger ties than Naza and Sime Darby combined. smile.gif
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 18 2012, 10:59 PM)
i would say yes. but, just.

the premium over the basic spec 1.8L is nearly 5k. and with all the gadgetry i.e leather seats (outside install maybe 2k average), push start button keyless entry keyless start ( another 2k? if install outside ), etc, however the best bit the hybrid is CBU which means quality should be top notch.
a new powerful engine is another new stuff but i dont quite agree with the price tag actually.

people keep asking about test driving the hybrid, but so far i dont see any branch offering it
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just discovered in Australia the Hybrid 1.5 sell at A$ 35,900 and the petrol 2.0S sports sell at A$ 28,000 .

go hybrid as our price here without import levy and excise duty is still cheap

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post Jul 19 2012, 04:03 PM

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anybody booked civic?
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post Jul 19 2012, 04:11 PM

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NEWS - Honda planned to CKD Hybrid in Melaka starting end 2012. First car = Jazz Hybrid.
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post Jul 19 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 19 2012, 04:11 PM)
NEWS - Honda planned to CKD Hybrid in Melaka starting end 2012. First car = Jazz Hybrid.
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correct..new plant already been setup beside current plant at Alor Gajah thumbup.gif
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post Jul 20 2012, 12:37 AM

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honda EK and earlier were good. Soft padded dash and higher quality materials were used.Same goes to pre-2001 accords.


All in the name of cost cutting measures hence hard plastic dash becomes the norm across the industry. But for a 130k Honda? That's unacceptable!

Plain daylight robbery..
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post Jul 20 2012, 12:57 AM

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Typical Malaysian mentality. Just becoz Honda made a few good model like eg, ek, fd doesn't mean fb will be great. In everyone's mind, Honda resale value must be good. This is not true. Go check out a 10 year old accord. S86 trade in price is less than 25k. Retail for 140k back in 2002. U r getting less than 20% of what u have paid. Even a 10 year old wira beat accord, it gets 10k for trade in vs 45k when it was new.

I have nothing against Honda but Neither i worship them. They made a few great models and at d same time, they fail big time e.g. city cvt gearbox.

IMHO, car manufacturers in Malaysia are just being greedy. They know how to take full advantage of car lovers here. Seriously, just look at jazz hybrid. US could sell them at 20k usd yet we r paying close to 100k eventhough it is tax free. Imagine how much Honda Malaysia pocket?
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post Jul 20 2012, 08:22 AM

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One big question. Comparing Civic 1.8 Vs Civic Hybrid, which one would have better RSV? I am looking at both. However CH seems to have better value for money. Pay additional 3k - get more features. Maintenance wise, CH is slightly more exp than C1.8.
Thanks for comments =).

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post Jul 20 2012, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(wb4j @ Jul 20 2012, 12:57 AM)
Typical Malaysian mentality. Just becoz Honda made a few good model like eg, ek, fd doesn't mean fb will be great. In everyone's mind, Honda resale value must be good. This is not true. Go check out a 10 year old accord. S86 trade in price is less than 25k. Retail for 140k back in 2002. U r getting less than 20% of what u have paid. Even a 10 year old wira beat accord, it gets 10k for trade in vs 45k when it was new.

I have nothing against Honda but Neither i worship them. They made a few great models and at d same time, they fail big time e.g. city cvt gearbox.

IMHO, car manufacturers in Malaysia are just being greedy. They know how to take full advantage of car lovers here. Seriously, just look at jazz hybrid. US could sell them at 20k usd yet we r paying close to 100k eventhough it is tax free. Imagine how much Honda Malaysia pocket?
Well said. Toyota is the same (if not worse). Which is why Malaysians need to stop the buying only then will these Japs realise that we cant be taken for granted anymore. Toyota and Honda can both claim that the Malaysian Gov sets the taxes and stuff but both these companies together with Nissan have huge businesses & investments in Malaysia. Collectively, all 3 of them can easily pressure the Malaysian Gov to lower taxes but they choose not to because they wanna make money as well.


Added on July 20, 2012, 8:35 am
QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 20 2012, 08:22 AM)
One big question. Comparing Civic 1.8 Vs Civic Hybrid, which one would have better RSV? I am looking at both. However CH seems to have better value for money. Pay additional 3k - get more features. Maintenance wise, CH is slightly more exp than C1.8.
Thanks for comments =).
Resale values are dependent on demand. So far the demand for Hybrid vehicles isnt great at all. So dont expect resale values for 2nd hand hybrids to be good either.

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i heard excise and import duty waiver will end in dec 2013 for hybrid cars . it mean to say fully imported CBU hybrid will be very expensive.

thats why Honda will be manufacturing Hybrid cars locally with Jazz as the appetizer .

if you want and like fully imported japanese made Hybrid car , do consider to buy before Dec2013.

btw , i have booked a Civic Hybrid a few days ago. so hard for me to choose between the Teana 2.0L and this Honda City hybrid
as the Teana is about 15K more only.

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post Jul 20 2012, 09:57 AM

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I think RSV for Hybrid (abide attractive price) will not be as good as the normal 1.8, 5 years down the road. With Melaka fully operational to produce Hybrid by next year, Hybrid price is expected to come down. Btw, Civic Hybrid has not been included in their plans yet. Meaning to say, battery for Civic Hybrid (which cost RM11k ++) may still be exp 5 years from now. Would that be a risk and will that affect RSV for Hybrid?

Any chance of test driving the C. Hybrid before you place order? I am having hard time asking for test drive. Apparently, no test drive car for Hybrid models.

QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 20 2012, 09:47 AM)
i heard excise and import duty waiver will end in dec 2013 for hybrid cars . it mean to say fully imported CBU hybrid will be very expensive.

thats why Honda will be manufacturing Hybrid cars locally with Jazz as the appetizer .

if you want and like fully imported japanese made Hybrid car , do consider to buy before Dec2013.

btw , i have booked a Civic Hybrid a few days ago. so hard for me to choose between the Teana 2.0L and this Honda City hybrid
as the Teana is about 15K more only.
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 19 2012, 04:03 PM)
anybody booked civic?
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just booked last saturday, loan already approve n mebbe got the car next tuesday. interest rate 2.43

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