first comment down there, lol

"Why the hell shouldn't it? With 198 HP available total and more torque than the gasoline version, who would be stupid enough to buy a V6?"

v6 is 3.5l

Let me answer you professionally:

1) No salesman comes on Lowyat with no intent to cari makan. If that wasnt your original purpose then u shouldnt have accepted bookings from members rite? You used reverse phychology which u knew would work. Ppl will be more inclined to place bookings with familiar salesmen. In this case, u were a familiar figure although many havent met you yet. So indirectly, through you efforts on lyn, you got bookings. No point denying it. There is no wrong is doing so but to go around proclaiming that you didnt have any intent to cari makan is wrong and inethical.

2) How many salesmen actually get paid for pre-launch bookings? I know of certain car makes that only pay commissions for confirmed sales. So u getting 200 is a big issue and you know darn well that the chances of securing a confirmed sale from a pre-launch booking is far higher than a random walk in customer. So dont make it look like ure doing charity here.

3) You say you went back and forth to SD to try and voice our greviences and you claimed it to be some form of favor u were doing us. But the main reason u did that was to get information yourself because this could be the same questions ull get asked during the launch and after that and u want to be in a position to answer them. It would also be in your best interests to have the car priced lower and competitively as it would boost your chances of securing sales. Again, nothing wrong in that but going around trying to make it look like u were doing us a favor isnt right either.

3) Fine u say Hyundai makes better cars compared to Kia if u take away all the gadgets. Does it also make better cars compared to Toyota & Honda? You say T&H are charging extra for an ancient but perfected technology. So what gave Hyundai the right to price their cars in the same bracket? Do they have some proven tech which has kept users happy for the past 30 years as T&H have? Btw, you gauging the better build of Hyundai cars based on a brake peddle sensor? I thought u were comparing the quality of stripped down versions of both cars minus the gadgets? So how is Hyundai better than Kia without all the gadgets?

4) In 1 post you mentioned Hyundai can't price cars lower cuz of their profit margins rite? But i ask you this question: Who sets profit margins and how are they calculated? The main driving factor behind profit margins are operational costs. So are you telling me the operational costs of developing Hyundai cars is more than 15% of Kia? Since both are sister companies and share the similar tech in some areas, how then can their profit margins differ by that much? Hyundai is considered a 'premium' brand compared to Kia rite? If so why is the Elantra priced similar to Forte in other countries? U mean to say in Malaysia, the profit margins are changed? Operational costs different? If your reasons are because of some insider happenings in Naza then stick to that reason alone. Pointless trying to justify this using the 'premium brand' tagline.

Finally, nobody was bashing you here. If ure in the sales line you would have to accept that u will get supporters and those doubters. If u arent prepared to deal with each one of them professionally, then ure obviously in the wrong line of work. The fact that u keep whining about those who dont follow your line of thought speaks volumes about your profesional approach towards handling customers. Im sure Hyundai being a so called 'premium brand' would give its sales ppl sufficient training on this right?

Anyway, all in all i think ure a decent guy. But u need to keep you emotions in check and not allow a barrage of comments to rattle you. Bear in mind, that none of us would waste our time contributing to this thread if we werent seriously interested in the Elantra. Many of us here agree that the Koreans deserve a chance to prove themselves against the mighty Japanese. We wouldnt bother to comment on something we dont care about would we? Most of us here are professionals and as intellectual ppl we will question and critisize what deserves doubt or critisism. Convincing an existing Korean supporter is only a fraction compared to convincing a Jap supporter (like me) and many of us actually used to like the Japs. Your task (if you choose to accept it) would be to answer us professionally. If you cant, then you might need to reconsider your involvement in this thread. But dont slam the very people who are actually supporters of the Korean revolution.

Cheers!

i wonder how many lovers and bashers of the hyundai can actually afford to own a hyundai and those who can afford are willing to actually own a hyundai. 

3) its a INOKOM Elantra

For those who are curious about pricing and launch date, I'll say anything concrete will only be revealed after Chinese New Year, not immediately, maybe 1-2 weeks after.
It's been a sticking point for long and I think I've answered this before, but kindly explain why you think INOKOM is different from Hyundai?

For those who are curious about pricing and launch date, I'll say anything concrete will only be revealed after Chinese New Year, not immediately, maybe 1-2 weeks after.
It's been a sticking point for long and I think I've answered this before, but kindly explain why you think INOKOM is different from Hyundai?

Actually people are thinking that the car should be cheaper when using Inokom badge instead of Hyundai. Personally i also don't understand why they want to put Inokom badge if they are not going to price it lower. Just like last time Oriental assembled Avante and Sonata are wearing Hyundai badges also. The reason they use Inokom badge is to solve the AP problem or to increase their profit margin? Because last time Hyundai's car will drop 20-30k when they were changed from CBU to CKD. Now the base Sonata is CBU and the price is only 136k. While the Elantra is CKD and if the top spec is priced at 120k it is quite unreasonable to many because the price gap is so narrow...
For comparison Altis 1.8G 123k vs Camry 2.0E 145k, price difference is 22k and both of them are having the same status. If Elantra is 118k vs Sonata 136k, price difference is only 18k yet Elantra is CKD vs CBU of Sonata.

Normal human nature, rebranding from original is inferior. Especially rebranding down, Inokom is considered inferior by majority of car buyer. Same argument cropped up when they did the Inokom Getz and Hyundai Getz. The mentality was Inokom is local assembled and rebranding of Hyundai. Local assembled, more problematic.

If you take a Toyota or Honda and rebrand it into a local brand, you will get the same general consensus from prospective car buyer.
Yes, this one too. People is expecting this also. I wouldn't say increase of profit margin, i think it is more in the aspect of competitively pricing of the car. If you have a good car, but it is killed by price, it is pretty much useless.

Eh, not true. All those Myvi owners say it's worth buying Perodua cos underneath the skin is a Toyota Passo or Daihatsu Boon woh...

people think...inokom and hyundai..is like inspira and lancer...the quality n control...after sales service...and price should definately be lower right?

Actually people are thinking that the car should be cheaper when using Inokom badge instead of Hyundai. Personally i also don't understand why they want to put Inokom badge if they are not going to price it lower. Just like last time Oriental assembled Avante and Sonata are wearing Hyundai badges also. The reason they use Inokom badge is to solve the AP problem or to increase their profit margin? Because last time Hyundai's car will drop 20-30k when they were changed from CBU to CKD. Now the base Sonata is CBU and the price is only 136k. While the Elantra is CKD and if the top spec is priced at 120k it is quite unreasonable to many because the price gap is so narrow...
For comparison Altis 1.8G 123k vs Camry 2.0E 145k, price difference is 22k and both of them are having the same status. If Elantra is 118k vs Sonata 136k, price difference is only 18k yet Elantra is CKD vs CBU of Sonata.

Normal human nature, rebranding from original is inferior. Especially rebranding down, Inokom is considered inferior by majority of car buyer. Same argument cropped up when they did the Inokom Getz and Hyundai Getz. The mentality was Inokom is local assembled and rebranding of Hyundai. Local assembled, more problematic.

If you take a Toyota or Honda and rebrand it into a local brand, you will get the same general consensus from prospective car buyer.
Yes, this one too. People is expecting this also. I wouldn't say increase of profit margin, i think it is more in the aspect of competitively pricing of the car. If you have a good car, but it is killed by price, it is pretty much useless.

Imported Hyundai and locally assembled Hyundai goes to the same service center, unlike Inspira / Lancer.
Inokom badge simply mean the car is a knocked down assembly from Inokom. Oriental had different way of doing things last time, so does Inokom, no two company works the same way.

So here's another question, what about CKD continental cars like BMW/Merc/Volvo? Does the same mentality apply too?
Inokom's assembly infrastructure are from Hyundai themselves anyway, I have not seen any obvious difference in quality of CBU/CKD Hyundai thus far. Most Hyundai cars we received as trade in varied from mint condition to a total rust bucket. Some people buy Hyundai because it is cheap, and because it is cheap they are not willing to pay and keep a proper maintenance of the car. Regardless of what price your car is, proper maintenance is a must, such offender aren't limited to Hyundai anyway. We have traded in 3-5 years old Japanese car that are rattling all over and falling apart too.

The official pricing is not known for the Elantra yet, but I am pretty sure the sales department have the same thought as you concerning price range being too close. It's not likely that they will give any explanation to me because that would indirectly give me hint on the Elantra's pricing.

So here's another question, what about CKD continental cars like BMW/Merc/Volvo? Does the same mentality apply too?

Hi. I own a 1.3 hyundai getz. The built quality of that car is amazing even though the engine was a bit under powered.

About the availability of the spare parts and servicing cost, it is just slightly more challenging than other common manufacturer but definitely not a headache. The durability of its part really does surpass local parts especially if compared to Perodua Myvi (own it too).

However if the price is almost similar to T & H, I still think majority will shy off from this brand as i believe most never own hyundai or never serviced their car in hyundai SC before.

I hope that the pricing gap for 1.8 is not far away from 2.0 forte as I have also sat in forte before and I think forte too is not to be look down upon for its quality.

Imported Hyundai and locally assembled Hyundai goes to the same service center, unlike Inspira / Lancer.
Inokom badge simply mean the car is a knocked down assembly from Inokom. Oriental had different way of doing things last time, so does Inokom, no two company works the same way.

So here's another question, what about CKD continental cars like BMW/Merc/Volvo? Does the same mentality apply too?
Inokom's assembly infrastructure are from Hyundai themselves anyway, I have not seen any obvious difference in quality of CBU/CKD Hyundai thus far. Most Hyundai cars we received as trade in varied from mint condition to a total rust bucket. Some people buy Hyundai because it is cheap, and because it is cheap they are not willing to pay and keep a proper maintenance of the car. Regardless of what price your car is, proper maintenance is a must, such offender aren't limited to Hyundai anyway. We have traded in 3-5 years old Japanese car that are rattling all over and falling apart too.

The official pricing is not known for the Elantra yet, but I am pretty sure the sales department have the same thought as you concerning price range being too close. It's not likely that they will give any explanation to me because that would indirectly give me hint on the Elantra's pricing.

definitely!

i mean at the end of the day, it boils down to branding and mind set loh.

Forte in Malaysia is called Naza Forte or KIA Forte ah?

On a separate note.... wah... this one bila datang? I like leh... but most likely price will kill it again.......

http://cforum3.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?...&extra=page%3D1

Isn't the CKD continental car significantly cheaper than the CBU counterpart?
Just like the 407 which dropped 30k from CBU to CKD. The S60 T5 also dropped by 33k from CBU to CKD.
Suppose the Elantra 1.8 CBU is between 125-130k (an estimated figure compared to Sonata 2.0std), maybe a CKD Elantra 1.8 should be around 110-115k... Just a guess:D

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Added on January 21, 2012, 1:39 pm
I think i30 at least 10k more than Elantra... But now only got 1.6NA engine so very hard to compete with Pug308T if over 110k...

308 1.6 mini cooper engine only 99k.