QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 19 2012, 08:29 AM)
Let me answer you professionally:
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Hardly a single point of professionalism right after all that you prefer to say something personal about me, but never mind, I will answer you. There is so much assumption it gives me the impression you're trying to generalize me, I'll tell you straight now, you don't know me well enough to judge nor paint a picture of how you think everyone else should see me. People who knew me for more than 10 years hardly understand me, what's more a person who met me in a professional sales-customer relationship.
1) I am one of those out of conventional 'salesman' out there, I've already said, cari makan is a bonus here, it is not my main intention. If I just want to cari makan, I'll just keep quiet and stop sharing information in the public, and keep them as my personal advantages. Just look at how many here are paying interest to the Elantra, but yet they are not booking from me, which bring the 'why am I doing this' to point 2.
By the way, I am a sales consultant, not a salesman. Salesman sell you stuff, then walks away, I guide a customer from start till end and even provide after sales services like follow-up and service arrangement.
Third sub-point, I am a member here since 2003, long before I got myself involved in sales industry, so don't go assuming I am a salesman with a newbie account joining here to cari makan, and I know better, LYN is not a place to stake your entire rice bowl into.
2) I am getting only RM200 for each LYN booking, that is a fraction of what I get from a walk in sales, why would I trouble myself into holding onto so many small earning case while I can easily settle down by focusing on walk-in and after launch market? There were once I have 10 cases on my hand, and during that entire month, I never had a proper rest day. Do you think the person with the intend of cari makan wants to go through such trouble for crumbs? People who work solely on cari makan will find the best way to do the least work while maximizing profit. So don't accuse me of glorifying an intention that's again, falsely assumed by you, my intention here is to create a LYN Hyundai community large enough to be noticed by everybody else, just like FnF club or the 4G15 years back.
First point 3), you had 2 - I can really never understand your words. People ask questions here, I help them find out, and I don't expect anything in return except accepting a free consultation service. They don't necessarily book the car from me for various reason, they may have a friend that works in Hyundai, or they got a better offer than what I am giving out, or they're simply too far away. Do I go say like, you must book a car from me or else I don't find out the detail you asked? What's the issue with this 'favor' then? Seems like only you're complaining about my such 'favor'.
Second point 3), is Hyundai charging a premium, or is it the other way around? Let me tell you something, the import tax for the Hyundai Sonata is around RM44,000 while T&H are enjoying CKD status in Malaysia. Hyundai did what T&H for 30 years, in just 5 years time - world wide. Look at America and European market, do you think 5 years ago, nobody there called Hyundai a broken car just like in Malaysia? In an ironic joke, people coined the acronym for HYUNDAI as Hope You Understand Nothing's Drivable and Inexpensive. I merely used the brake pedal sensor as a obvious comparison, but there are many other aspect where Hyundai excels over KIA. Both KIA and Hyundai are winning numerous award, but it doesn't take much to realize which car is actually winning the bigger awards out there.
Another fact, a lot of big Japanese car makers are charging 20-30% more for car servicing than Hyundai, even national car maker aren't innocent in this, so who is actually charging a 'premium' due to branding strength or market monopoly? Now I have a question back for you, how you justify RM150,000+ for a CKD model when a CBU model with better specs are still priced 7-8% lower than it?
4) Board of directors and all the sales related departments set the margins and cost of operation, yes Hyundai and KIA are sisters companies, but they have 2 separate set of shareholders and board of directors with different thinking. Just because they share tech doesn't mean they're equal, which bring me back to an obvious example that I have given repeatedly with the brake sensors, both are 'same' tech but why it's more problematic on the Forte? The other thing I heard from some Forte owner is that the LCD odometer malfunctions often; never happened to the Hyundai rolling out from my showroom before. Being a majority share holder doesn't mean Hyundai gets to call all the shot in KIA, if they wanted to do that, it would make more sense merging both company rather than to have a sister company relationship.
You fail to realize the dynamic mechanics of business, no two business in this world is ever alike. One car's profit margin doesn't dictate another car's profit margin. As someone with a will to retire by the age of 40, I am sure you have read enough of business management and financial topics to realize this fact, so one wonders why you left out such an important point in your argument. If you are still clueless on what I am trying to say, just take a look at Volkswagen Group.
Being 'Premium' doesn't necessarily mean paying a premium for the car, that's the concept behind what Hyundai call 'Modern Premium' where the premium feel for a car doesn't come with a luxury car price tag. Watch the video in the spoiler to get a understand on what it means.
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Now back to the touchy point on why Forte is priced so much lower compared to Elantra, I do not have a definitely answer to why since you wouldn't accept all that have been explained like different business strategy translating into different cost/profit margin, or the Elantra itself is actually a more advanced car than the Forte. NAZA is a private company, while Sime Darby is a public listed company, I am not going to comment about NAZA to avoid any libel issue that could arise, but I am saying Sime Darby doesn't have room to do hanky panky with accountings or operation transparency.
Again, you can never compare what other countries is offering for Elantra and Forte. Malaysia automobile industry is a whole different ball game. I'll take back the i30 as an example, it's doing very well in Europe despite being pricey, why it struggled here? Soccer and basketball is played with a round ball, doesn't mean both are played on the same rules. Relative comparison, yes, direct comparison, never.
With regards to answering your questions, bear in mind majority of the questions in this V2 thread are beyond my job scope, but I am still going back and forth with people in Sime Darby to get them answered. I am not a PR for Sime Darby nor I am in a position to call the shot on pricing and business strategy of HSDM, heck, I don't even work directly for Sime Darby so if you are going to continue insistomg all that said above doesn't satisfy you, as I said, what I've been discussing so far is beyond my job scope and you're asking questions that only PR and management team of HSDM have answers to, and you're expecting a sales consultant which have absolutely no significant position in HSDM to answer you professionally as if he is a PR or CEO of HSDM, it's like asking a pianist to play a violin, you asking me to get out of involving in a thread just because I can't satisfy your expectation to answers? You are barking up the wrong tree, you should just call up and ask for the PR/CEO of HSDM instead of pressing a sale consultant for such answers, that is if they ever entertain you.
Lastly, don't bring personal opinion about me into this discussion, it is not relevant in the first place plus I find it really insulting that you judge me as if you know me for decades. I chosen to control my so called 'emotion' by ignoring you for several posting, but yet you leap on me and pound my head, so I'd say, if you feel slammed by my words, it's your own doing in the first place. If someone has no intend to find fault with me, then they wouldn't leap on me on every chance they get. I am in this thread without bringing my sales profession into play, so keep my 'profession' out of the discussion here plus all sarcastic rice bowl remark or saying how 'unprofessional' I am. If you have truly met me in real life as you claimed, you should know me better than through postings in LYN.
Added on January 19, 2012, 10:53 pmQUOTE(caddilac @ Jan 19 2012, 05:50 PM)
Do you know what colour is available for Elantra?
White, Black, Silver, Ice Blue, Red, Blue, and possibly hyper-metallic gray
Not confirmed yet
This post has been edited by FluidicSculpture: Jan 21 2012, 12:11 AM 
Jan 19 2012, 03:58 PM
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....btw i see so much debate in this thread.....well after all it's all goes down to 1 objective ...the pricing.....so i'll be back after the announcement hoping to get more inputs from all sifu here..... 
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