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 Astro B.yond Episode IV (Version 9.0), The New World of Entertainment

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post Mar 15 2012, 02:11 PM

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bro, That prompts me to ask when an indian hd channel wl be availiable?!The issue of repeats is common here simply bcos there is no variety of channels. 90% of channels are of fixed content.you must hv 200 over channels not abt 100 with m ore then a dozen in house
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Mar 15 2012, 02:05 PM)
I wouldn't mind to watch it in HD, even with many repeats. The question is, when will one permenant HD channel for malay is launched? hmm.gif
QUOTE(smileguy @ Mar 15 2012, 02:11 PM)
bro, That prompts me to ask when an indian hd channel wl be availiable?!The issue of repeats is common here simply bcos there is no variety of channels. 90% of channels are of fixed content.you must hv 200 over channels not abt 100 with m ore then a dozen in house

I totally agree 100% on the permanent malay and indian HD channels.

I did mentioned this in my earlier post. Eventhough I am chinese, I believe that its only fair that Astro launch at least one permanent malay and one indian HD channel for the Malay and Indian folks in our country, similar to the Zhi Zun HD channel which is fully in chinese.

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QUOTE(michaelkkl @ Mar 15 2012, 11:16 AM)
astro njoi dish compared with astro byond dish
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astro njoi set-top box similar with astro byond set-top box
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same as astro byond
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I think NJOI is free for those people who are poor and who stays in the rural or jungle areas where there is very poor or no TV reception using the traditional aerial and intended for people in such hard-to-access areas as Sabah and Sarawak. I believe the government forced Astro to provide NJOI so that government controlled news, info, media and political views can reach these people who cannot afford or do not have over-the-air TV reception.

NJOI uses exactly the same hardware as Byond. The only difference is that the smardcard is locked and fixed to some basic channels only such as RTM 1 and 2, TV3, NTV7, etc. They cannot pay to upgrade to any package subscriptions. If any NJOI free subscriber wants to upgrade, they have to cancel NJOI completely, then register and pay as new subscriber to normal Astro or Byond. I am not sure but I believe NJOI is usually installed in "public areas" such as village community halls so that one single NJOI installation can be enjoyed by many kampung folks.

I can only imagine how the Astro installers travel to such remote areas in East Malaysia... travelling by helicopter or twin engine propeller planes, by boat and by old jungle trains to reach such areas. Its true that old jungle trains exist in some parts of Sarawak because my sister have travelled in such jungle trains using steam engines when she worked with a timber logging company there about 20+ years ago but I don't know whether these trains still exist or not now.

Lazy to check... is NJOI completely free or have to pay a very very low monthly subscription ?

ADDITION AND CORRECTION
Oops ! My apologies. I did not read your last sentence... "Images were came from Invest and Travel NJOI: Free satellite TV". So please forget about my earlier questions below. Anyway, the person who posted the original pictures maybe just want to advertise NJOI by putting the cover over the LNB.

I did not delete my previous questions and comments so if you still want to read them, just open the spoiler below...

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post Mar 15 2012, 04:12 PM

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Hello all.
Just wondering, did anyone subscribe to Lawak Ke, Der HD?

Usually, for pay-per-view channels, Astro only allowed viewing for 48hrs. But for this Lawak Ker Der, the notification I receive is for the whole month!

or is the charges recurring?
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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Mar 15 2012, 04:12 PM)
Hello all.
Just wondering, did anyone subscribe to Lawak Ke, Der HD?

Usually, for pay-per-view channels, Astro only allowed viewing for 48hrs. But for this Lawak Ker Der, the notification I receive is for the whole month!

or is the charges recurring?


For me, I don't know. But I think the best person to answer you and get much better clarification is Astro Customer Support. Call their toll free phone line and ask them whether there are any "recurring charges". If got recurring charges and if you don't want such charges, clearly inform them to cancel after one month.
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Mar 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
For me, I don't know. But I think the best person to answer you and get much better clarification is Astro Customer Support. Call their toll free phone line and ask them whether there are any "recurring charges". If got recurring charges and if you don't want such charges, clearly inform them to cancel after one month.
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Indeed you are right. Plus, their response is more accurate smile.gif
Btw, I didn't know that the Astro customer service contact number is toll-free? If it is, all the better smile.gif
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post Mar 15 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Mar 15 2012, 05:21 PM)
Indeed you are right. Plus, their response is more accurate smile.gif
Btw, I didn't know that the Astro customer service contact number is toll-free? If it is, all the better smile.gif

Glad to know that you got the answer. By the way, is it recurring charges for ABO Events, "Lawak Ke, Der" ? I am just a curious busybody, hehe.

Do not call any other Astro numbers that begins with 03, only use 1 300 82 3838.

I believe some people may misunderstand what I mean by "toll-free", hehe.

If you have a TM house fixed phone line, just call 100 to ask about the difference between 1300 and 1800 codes used for the so-called "toll-free" numbers.

You can call using house phone to 100 to check whether I am correct or not. If not, please correct me...
If use TM fixed phone line to call...
1 800 xxxxxx : its totally free because recipient pays for it, no charge for us as callers.
1 300 xxxxxx : aah... we as callers have to pay small local call charges (4 cents per minute), same charge when called from anywhere in Malaysia.

If 4 cents per minute to 1300, then I only pay RM 2.40 to talk for 60 minutes. Borak, borak sejam tanpa berhenti dengan Astro Perkhidmatan Pelanggan ? Mmm... mungkin ada suara gadis yang merdu dan lembut disebelah-sana... barulah ada semangat bual-bual tak berhenti dengan soalan-soalan rekaan saya. Telinga mungkin panas sampai api keluar tapi otak masih cooool. shocking.gif

So calling 1 300 is much much cheaper than outstation calls if called from... example... Penang to KL.

When mobile phone is used, maybe slightly more expensive which is different for each mobile network. I don't know the actual charge to call 1300 and don't know if 1800 is free or not for mobile phones. I lazy to check lah. Thats why I always use my house TM phone line (since I have internet access) to call 1800 or 1300 numbers and never used my Maxis phone line. By the way, my house TM phone line has now been changed to a package offered to me a few months ago that allows me completely free calls to ALL TM fixed phone "land" lines so no difference for me between 1800, 1300 and 03.

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hi all is it worth subscribe astro with movies package + HD only? how is the movie like? got scene cutted a lot or its non filter?
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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Mar 15 2012, 04:12 PM)
Hello all.
Just wondering, did anyone subscribe to Lawak Ke, Der HD?

Usually, for pay-per-view channels, Astro only allowed viewing for 48hrs. But for this Lawak Ker Der, the notification I receive is for the whole month!

or is the charges recurring?
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No. This channel is just like ABO movies. Just one time charge and you can watch for the whole month. The 48 hours one is just for Astro First channel.
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post Mar 16 2012, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(rampoknegara @ Mar 15 2012, 08:39 PM)
hi all is it worth subscribe astro with movies package + HD only? how is the movie like? got scene cutted a lot or its non filter?
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When u start it wl be fine just after one month u feel the heat of repeats,the cuts and filters of course its there,as I said Astro lacks variety it offers only fixed content and too many In House channels BUT its the most expensive in this region tongue.gif Think about it but with HD ,SP seems to be the best choice. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 16 2012, 11:27 AM

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Yo B.yonders,

I appreciate if you can can your polls on the most common input available on your AVR.

Polls here "Click Here" .

Thank you for your time.


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post Mar 16 2012, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(smileguy @ Mar 13 2012, 01:45 PM)
The question is wl ABN takeoff nationwide? Some say yes cos its like megatv thing the towers can carry signals,I am in doubt abt in maybe someone here can enlightent us on this .
BTW james i do also remember the days i had megatv, it was fun too a few channels but ok,the service was good at rm45,but the nuts pulled out i wonder why! Asstro now seems too artificial but very expensive!
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Mar 13 2012, 05:02 PM)
Mmm, smileguy... good question... will ABN go nationwide later ? Not only do I have doubts, I am very pessimistic that ABN will go nationwide in the future so I do hope it does not close before that !

Ya loh, waited and waited for MegaTV to go nationwide, then dissapointment. Then U TV, dissapointment again when they migrated to U Mobile ! I can't be blamed for being so pessimistic!

I believe MegaTV used terrestrial over-the-air transmission using special aerial for reception. I think the transmission was in digital. Don't think its in HD at that time, as HD TV commercial channels were only launched in other countries only recently sometime on or after 2007. MegaTV was not nationwide so I was one of the millions that were shut out.

I am not a telecommunications engineer. I suspect that there maybe many limitations for terrestrial over-the-air transmission of HD channels because of more and more data which needs to be fed to a transmission line such as broadband internet with faster and faster Mbit speed required, 1080i/720p resolution video, 5.1 surround sound, 3D active shutter interlaced videos, blah, blah, blah. I shall simply call it as "huge bandwidth" which terrestrial over-the-air HD transmission may not be able to carry. This is where Fibre Optic Cable can do the job by providing the "huge bandwidth" needed and also allowing for broadband internet which requires 2-way synchronous traffic. Over-the-air transmission is one way to our TV so FULL internet access is not possible.

I remember the time in the early 1990 when ATUR 450 MHz mobile phones (Dai Kor Dai, in cantonese) were used. At that time, single RBS (Radio Base Station) tower can cover a much wider circular area but when changed to ART 900 and higher frequencies, the coverage area of each RBS have significantly been reduced. This is why we see so many of such "mini towers" in different parts of town. Ok... For HD channels, I do suspect that there may be problems building even more towers at closer distances due to shorter coverage area and more powerful transmitters required to carry the "high bandwidth" of HD channels. Please correct me if I am be wrong.

In my unqualified opinion, because of such "bandwidth" limitations and technical problems of such over-the-air HD transmission, such companies would NOT choose to build such infrastructure that are not future proof, that require too much upgrade costs. Look at what happened for older shared satellite dish installed in older condos/apartments with in-wall cabling. When a building is under construction, its easier to install in-wall cabling to support both the normal Astro and the latest Byond HD. But not so easy to upgrade or have problems after the building construction have completed.

We have seen a few failures before when a few TV networks closed before they can go nationwide. Two exceptions are TV3 and NTV7 which are now nationwide but when will they go HD with 5.1 audio plus other goodies ? RTM already tested telecast in HD for the opening and closing ceremony of the Beijing Summer Olympics 2008. My opinion...maybe wait for Wawasan 2030 or 2040 ? Or wait for 2013 to see what happens because the Malaysian Government have set that date for all analogue transmission to be changed to digital, SD and HD. This will release and free the frequency spectrum for use by 4G mobile networks. TV channels have already migrated to digital transmission only (SD and HD) in such countries as Britain, US and Hong Kong since 2008.

Ya loh, what I have mentioned above are only my "kopitiam" talk at "Coffee Bean" shop so some info may not be accurate or based on wrong facts. Just my opinion for discussion, hehe.
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ABN should be able to broadcast OTT on the Unifi fiber back bone. Basically they use the TM fiber to send IP encapsulated DVB-C signal until to the junction outside your house, then from there it is converted back to cable signal.
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QUOTE(ecam @ Mar 16 2012, 11:41 AM)
ABN should be able to broadcast OTT on the Unifi fiber back bone. Basically they use the TM fiber to send IP encapsulated DVB-C signal until to the junction outside your house, then from there it is converted back to cable signal.
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Bro,we know nothing about this,so does this mean they can take off nationwide,cos i recall megatv started off and covereed most of the peninsular.About relying on unifi I doubt thats possible cos unifi is still crawling ! hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ecam @ Mar 16 2012, 11:41 AM)
ABN should be able to broadcast OTT on the Unifi fiber back bone. Basically they use the TM fiber to send IP encapsulated DVB-C signal until to the junction outside your house, then from there it is converted back to cable signal.

Good point and suggestion. You are correct to say... "send IP encapsulated DVB-C signal until to the junction...". The underground fibre cables are connected to "distribution ports" and then from there, different type of cables are used to the homes. Mmm.. I forgot the actual name for such "distribution port".

As info for others here, the fibre cables (UniFi) used for transmission refers to the cables laid (buried) underground outside the homes/condos/apartments. Different types of fibre cables have different specifications. The cables used for connection to the homes are different. I do not want to go technical on this but only in layman explanations. Each fibre cable used have a huge bandwidth capacity which is enough to carry digital signals for TV SD/HD channels, Internet packets, phone, etc. BUT each fibre cable does have limits. I don't know the cable specifications used by UniFi so I can only estimate for how many UniFi users that each cable can support.

Ok... basically TM will not just simply allow any other competitor to use its own fibre cables because they have laid underground cables for a limited number of users. If TM allowed it, then they will not have enough for its own use when their own UniFi customers increased. For example only, when TM laid 10 fibre-optic underground cables for allocation to one or two condo buildings, its sufficient for only 500 UniFi users. Without info on the cable specs, I don't know the maximum capacity of each cable. Ah... when the demand increased to more than 500, TM will literally and actually start "digging" again to put in more cables. Of course TM will install much more underground cables than needed, maybe 20 cables for 1000 users eventhough there are only a maximum of 500 homes. TM will then be prepared for future demands.

I am quite certain that ABN will NOT use the UniFi cable system. I don't have ABN inside news so I am not sure that this will change in the near future... maybe new joint-ventures with UniFi, agreements on temporary and limited use of some UniFi cable system in some areas, etc.

EDIT: Hehe... I better use "am quite certain" and replaced "can confirm" because I could not get 100% proof of my confirmation so there is a chance that I can be wrong.

Details obtained from ABN official website, (at the right of main page and posted by "starintech" about 58 days ago) http://www.abnxcess.com/index.html... "KL: Asian Broadcasting Network to launch Hybrid Fibre-Coax (HFC) network in Q2, 2012 using Motorola Mobility equipment and services."


These are the reasons why ABN did not use shared UniFi cables...

1) Laying of fibre cables, router ports, jumpers, distribution servers, bridging connectivity and other system infrastructure costs LOTS of money and is limited to a maximum depending on how many underground cables have been laid. I don't think TM will be foolish enough to allow ABN to use its limited resources. Well... TM can always charge costs + BIG profits to ABN for increasing the number of underground cables but will ABN want to pay it ? Mmm... its very costly and I don't think ABN wants it because ABN will then add this extra costs to their Cable TV subscriptions and may make them not being able to compete with UniFi with lower subscription rates. In the long run, if I am ABN, I will choose to use my own cable system from another independent systems supplier.

2) I have earlier posted much info on ABN so please read it here...http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2114557/+920# . They have already signed agreement with Motorola Mobility to use their cable system network infrastructure. Motorola Mobility IS in the process of finishing the system cabling and other necessary work. When completed, this will allow ABN Xcess Cable IPTV targeted to be launched in April/May 2012 in selected areas in Klang Valley. ABN nerve centre is at the ABN Puchong Gateway Broadcast Centre. Mmm... is it possible for more delays ? Did not find any news... available in which Klang Valley locations and what are the package subscriptions ?

ABN is a very new company so very little info at their website. I believe ABN Xcess is only for some areas in Klang Valley, NOT nationwide. Using fibre cables to go nationwide ?? ..mmm.. I can go on DREAMING FOREVER because of so many reasons which makes it almost impossible.


Its not a question of the technical specifications of signal transmissions or fibre cables because all of the present and future TV broadcasters already knew about the potential of cable systems using hybrid-fibre-coaxial (HFC).

Scientists have already begun testing blue-light spectrum as a potential replacement for the present red-light spectrum because of the much much much bigger bandwidth that blue-light spectrum can carry. Is it possible to use long distance fully fibre-optic, not HFC, underground cables ? At the present time, is fully fibre-optic used ? I don't know and what are the limitations that caused it not being used. Blue-light spectrum is applicable for equipment such as blu-ray players, medical equipment, etc.

Note : I changed the wrong word used, "fibre-optic" to the correct "fibre" word. My thanks to my many online friends for correcting me, hehe.

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Mar 16 2012, 03:49 PM)
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So, we're just waiting for ABN release on next April/May. cool.gif
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QUOTE(rampoknegara @ Mar 15 2012, 08:39 PM)
hi all is it worth subscribe astro with movies package + HD only? how is the movie like? got scene cutted a lot or its non filter?
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If yu're someone who does NOT support pirated DVDs of recent movies, then OK if wanna subs 2Movie Pkg.

Otherwise yu shld kno Movies Pkg mainly OLD movies & many repeats!! Also fully censored!!!
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Added on March 17, 2012, 3:39 pm
QUOTE(michaelkkl @ Mar 15 2012, 11:16 AM)
astro njoi dish compared with astro byond dish
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astro njoi set-top box similar with astro byond set-top box
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same as astro byond
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Images were came from Invest and Travel  NJOI: Free satellite TV
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Appears sat dish for NJOI same as for Byond...EXCEPT for COLOUR of the dish???
Is the diameter same also? Kenot make out fr pics.
Mayb re-cycling old re-possessed Astro dishes of pre-Byond era? Haha! rclxm9.gif


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looks not bad, giving the same byond decoder... =p, at least astro can safely migrate to h264 once all other subscribers are swapped to that decoder
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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Mar 17 2012, 04:27 PM)
looks not bad, giving the same byond decoder... =p, at least astro can safely migrate to h264 once all other subscribers are swapped to that decoder
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Hopefully within 2013. rolleyes.gif
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To all those who are using Astro B.yond, how is the respond of the HD channel? I mean i've just started using Astro B.yond and some HD channels take a long time to broadcast, and some even will go disappear after broadcasting for a while. Any of you experience this? What to do with it? FYI the astro technician already adjusted the position of the satellite dish, but it still happen.
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QUOTE(1GTR1 @ Mar 17 2012, 06:33 PM)
To all those who are using Astro B.yond, how is the respond of the HD channel? I mean i've just started using Astro B.yond and some HD channels take a long time to broadcast, and some even will go disappear after broadcasting for a while. Any of you experience this? What to do with it? FYI the astro technician already adjusted the position of the satellite dish, but it still happen.
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are your byond connected directly to HDTV via HDMI cable?

try changing to another HDMI cable

if still no go then the next step is to ask your installer to change the byond box

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