hey guys,

i want unbiased opinion on Ford Focus Tdci 2.0L...lets just keep the discussion centered on this car although i know u guys will have other suggestions...

1. what do u think of this car?is it worth buying?
2. will it be able to sell off in the future since it is a diesel engine?
3. how is the fuel consumption rating?is it better than most of the currently available 1.8L and 2.0L cars in the market?
4. will it be good for daily city driving and as family car?

appreciate your prompt replies...need to decide in 1/2 days time

This post has been edited by yamasce: Oct 24 2011, 10:13 PM

many here recommend to buy.. though i dunno if they owned this TCDI or not..

did one today for coil mat

spoken to owner

if u wan comfort, it seems its a very good car , as claim by owner

fuel consumption is 0.9 per km ( according to him )

but one thing weird, to open the front hood

how bout u?what are your thoughts?

what's weird bout opening front hood?

Test drive this car and Mazda 3.. Handling wise both bout the same.. Focus more power, and comfortable.. But Design not my type>.> i prefer M3 Design

Anyway back to your question.

1. All car is worth it, as long as you like them
2. Sorry>.> don't know bout the future.. but resale for Ford is not that strong in Msia.
3. Diesel - definitely save more money
4. Daily City drive is more the enough Family Car.. not the best but acceptable.

Hope it help

hard to explain here

but if u reli interested why not go check out the actual car

have alrdy test drove the focus tdci sports yesterday...it is like an all-round car lo...handling and power definitely beat those 2.0L petrol cars flat...interior and safety wise on par with what other 2.0L cars offer...NVH is surprisingly GOOD despite it's a diesel engine lol..

anyway try to explain lo...i dun mind u write a long story here...i need serious and helpful comments

This post has been edited by yamasce: Oct 24 2011, 10:23 PM

ford, dowan to touch (in ownership sense).. let alone "turbo" and "diesel"

if someone else buy, then i dun mind driving..

do u mind to elaborate more?u hv any experience with ford cars before?

+1.. Just like Forte vs inspira.. I wonder how many are the real owners haha!

haha...true...i dun see many units on the road duh...but many units in sg

how much for the car? around 130k or got some heavy promo price now?

2010 sedan 10k discount...2011 sports 7k discount...2010 sports no more stock...not sure correct or not but heard buy in 2012 can get 20k discount for 2011 sports...

So far what i get is 11k discount.. Some outlet even say no discount.

Penang Bukit Jambul SA tell me 5k discount.. Butterworth SA tell me 11k discount..

So it's just up to u to push the SA further..

the 11k discount is for sports or sedan?which model year?

For diesel engine, the most expensive parts to replace are the injectors & diesel pump.

But even if it fails, it'd already be like 200k km or above.

been driven a tdci for nearly 3 months and a bit frustrated for a few weeks of bought it. The suspension a bit stiff even with 55 series tires just like my previous GT4 with 45 series tires . Sound of diesel engine really annoying me especially at the traffic light. Stock sound system also not to my liking.

But know it turn up side down , I really love my TDCi , even my wife said she more prefer sat in TDCi compare to mazda 3.

1. no doubt suspension abit stiff but still soak up small holes/bumps pretty well
2. of coz comfort level is inferior compare to altis la but then again it performs very well in handling and corner taking compare to altis
3. u hv to know it's diesel engine not petrol...dun expect it sound quiet like petrol lol...but in the car NVH level is pretty good man...it's quiet from inside the car when idling..like normal car..but the clacking sound will somewhat disappear after some time traveling on the road
4. oh well i'm not a fan of super bass or crisp sound system

so now i want to ask u...what is the reason u love this car very much? share ur experience lo

what I like... solid build up , good handling at the corner and higher speed , lastly.. the great amount of torque that push me the seat every time i step in the gas.

yup...the car feels like a raging bull lol...very ruggard and the torque is DAMN!during the test drive i can't contain the urge to push the car to the max but got other passenger safety 1st but i did try to accelerate for half a km speedometer can easily reach 140 km/h lol...now got addicted to the torque liao lol...can't wait for another test drive if i really plan to buy

I just collected mine today... put on about 120km to the mileage... the first problem I had with this car is I was sneaking out to eat supper while my wife fell asleep... and my wife just called me 5 minutes ago... cause she said she just heard my bus... OMG...

But seems like u already made up your mind why consider? The suspension is slightly stiff bit at high speed its just perfect... Power is unbeatable at 3rd and 4th gear but the starting gear... 1 n 2 I thing its because of the diesel engine its slightly slow...

Frankly speaking... if you don't traveling more then 2k-4k mileage a month... diesel is not efficient for you... because of the high service and road tax charge...

Finally choose the car you want... when you are happy driving it... when the car keep on making u feel like driving it... its always worth it...

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Added on October 25, 2011, 1:08 amBtw... Shorty 5 thanks for the quality job done for my car... looking for coil mat can look for him...

This post has been edited by GVY: Oct 25 2011, 01:08 AM

road tax should be the same as any other 2.0 car and servicing also i don't see why it should be any more expensive than a regular engine

Green engine Diesel = same road tax as petrol car.
Anyway, FFS, its 2.0 only lah.. around 400 per year only.. if u idle a lot in KL city the savings will easily pay for itself
diesel low end (below 2.5k rpm) torque is unrivaled by equivalent petrol engine great for city drive.

Diesel car get heavy duty engine oil eg caltex delo 400/mobil delvac MX, these two are commonly available and are the top oils available in 18L pails for less than rm200.. so u bring ur own oil to SC, save a lot also.. cos its diesel, apa oil also can (as long as original) - because petrol washes away and breaks down engine oil worse than diesel (which is more e. oil friendly).. the oils are rated for 15k interval so for normal use 10k service can already.. some ppl will ask why not fully syn, apasal guna mineral.. for DIESEL, mineral is the BEST for soot control.. plus the fact its so cheap, even better

This post has been edited by ceo684: Oct 25 2011, 04:21 AM

But i would also like to know from TS, why he chose the Focus TDCI in the first place? What criteria were you looking for and what supported this make in your mind?

I would think that for that price range (and if ure not prepared to fork out more), i would say the Altis would be a decent choice. As im beginning to find out on other threads, Ford's after sales service has alot of room for improvement. Not to mention the poor resale value associated with the Ford brand.

if you like the looks & design compare to others in the same class.. TDCI will give you more power and less fuel consumption.. err.. the engine noise is outside.. you will be most of the time inside.. enjoy your ride..

yes i dun deny their after sales service is not good at the moment but i believe they will improve in the long run..the problem doesn't lie in the ford rather it's due to the SD poor management and planning...outside of m'sia ford owners dun face alot issues but when come to m'sia lots of problem arise...u know who to blame...anyway i know tdci car build and its diesel engine quality is very ruggard and long-lasting...

well i'm not really worry bout resale value since i'm going to use the new car for long long time...any car after long long yrs their resale value not really matters anymore...it would be different case if u plan to use it for 5 yrs or so...then resale value is very important...more than 10 yrs...hmm not so...

is it reliable and cheap to repair, if planning to use it 10years or 200k milage? Conti wor.

this i'm not sure...that is the reason i created this topic lol...i wanted more inputs and feedback...most importantly they are coming from existing owners...

U sure u gonna keep more than 10 yrs? I would say that 7 years seem more realistic. Beyond that, the cost of maintenance and spare part replacement far outweigh your resale value.

Some comments from a 6months old tdci user

1. Slightly stiffer suspension setup compared to jap car but u get way better stability and handling, i found out its ok for me but might not be suitable for everyone.
2. Roadtax is the same as 2.0petrol.
3. Superb FC compared to the same class or even the class below! ( Can;t believe i am getting better FC compared to my old car--city vtec 2004 )
4. The solid feeling of the car just can't be replicated by other brand, just go for a test drive in various car then u will know what i mean.
5. Diesel clattery sound is annoying outside but u are driving inside u don't really hear it.
6. Servicing is the same as petrol but u dun need to change spark plugs.
7. The tyre wear is more than usual because of the immense 320Nm of torque.. if u are heavy footer like me don't expect the tyre to last more than 30k km..
8. After sales service is still ok currently but down the road i have no idea .
9. Resale value i believe should be better than the petrol variant since it is gaining some popularity lately.

yup...what's more realistic is i hv been using my proton for almost 10yrs now...no doubt there are some repairs needed especially past few months but not major changes/repair...my car still able to do its job fine...then again comparing ford to proton obviously ford hv much better quality lol...how well ur car behave in the future and how long it last very much depending on its user...u take care of it well it will last longer..u treat it like crap or make it like a F1 car-wannabe obviously u gonna get lotsa crap from ur car...cars hv feelings too u know

thx for ur feedback...really appreciate it...i believe in the future will be more diesel models coming in...BMW currently has alrdy started to bring in more of its diesel models...there will be fierce competition between EV and diesel models in the future...both hv their pros and cons but hey nothing's perfect...what's near perfect is teleportation technology...no need for transportation alrdy...fast, efficient and green as well...but lets juz keep things realistic

Power + FC = Diesel engine, for petrol unless it's turbo it wont touch the performance of turbo diesel

yes i agree...with EV will be much worse...many people duno current diesel engine are way better than those petrol engines...things hv changed...

I think hard to say... 10years later this TDCI or gearbox kaput also we dunno and not sure how much to change it.. even existing owners will not know.. especially when waranty is over.

3) What is your fuel consumption? Figures? What kind of driving?
4) Which brands have you compared against?

one thing for sure, parts price will not be cheaper than your proton
but one thing to note is that costlier but more durable parts could work out to be cheaper than cheaper but less durable ones

3) Generally, when i was driving my city vtec for full city drive it's around 10-11km/litre, highway drive is around 12km/litre... while for focus with same driving style, same road is around 10-12km/litre for full city, highway is around 13-14km/litre ( Aircond at coldest setting, fan at number 2 ) ... Once i tested from Melaka city-->Menara PGRM-->Lowyat Plaza-->Melaka city again i got 17km/litre for sedate driving, highway average speed from 110-120km/h, highway is around 80% of the time while 20% is city, total distance covered is around 260km ..

4) I am comparing against Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai..Peugeot cars feel solid as well i guess that's the trait of continental car? Of course cannot be compared against BMW/Mer/Audi... i have not driven any VW before, only sat in VW golf, i believe VW should feel more solid than Ford judging on reviews from the internet but then the focus (120k)should be only compared against golf (150k+)

The 2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L (1st generation), can give you about 15km/L for 100% highway driving at about 120kmph. But i would expect it to consume more on highways since the RPM at 120kmph is 3,000. 100% city driving can give you 13km/L.

lol...u are comparing directly between a 1.5L and 2.0L car and yet they fair about the same...and rmb tat focus is heavier than vios/city and can deliver higher torque at little effort compare to vios/city...

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:17 pmby the way anyone heard of any rumours/news whether ford will increase or decrease (give more discounts) price for 2011 sports focus tdci next year?

This post has been edited by yamasce: Oct 25 2011, 02:17 PM

a petrol engine will never match the fuel economy of a diesel, no matter what

focus got high torque but heavier mah .. at the end of day you got 320NM at low rpm but when you go point A to point B like 0-100 do you get 7-8seconds acceleration like those 3L petrol cars with 300NM?? or still back to around 10seconds? like a normal 2L petrol car?

doesn't matter both doesn't have space to do it in the city, otherwise buy a race car and take it to the track

low down torque is excellent for city driving and high speed overtaking, not getting from 0-100

Yours is only a 1.5litre engine and not even weights 1 ton.. My focus is 2000cc and weights 1440kg, see the big difference? Way more powerful, way more spacious, way more stability ... I have owned & driven a city vtec for almost 7 years so I know how it is like to drive one

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:35 pmTo be honest, diesel is not about 0-100, it's more about pickup.. U must test drive once to know the difference, just very effortless going uphill or even uphill overtaking

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 03:09 PM

ah that's why you need a CVT lor.. cos gearbox is torque converter and engine is power plant..
with CVT, it dun matter if you got 300NM or 200NM, as long as your power cukup, you can drive low speeds just as well as higher torque discrete gearbox vehicles (meaning a number of fixed ratio gearbox like normal AT or Manual) ..

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:39 pmu assume ppl never drive turbo diesel meh?
like wise I could say you should drive well balanced 50:50, RWD cars if you really like driving..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 25 2011, 02:39 PM

To be honest with u, i hate driving cvt gearbox car(no offense, my ex car also CVT gearbox), the sound of engine screaming at 6000rpm when i floor it is just annoying(speed increasing but engine speed stays the same).. Don't get me wrong CVT is excellent for smooth driving but for spirited driving it's just not gonna make it, driven an Audi A4 1.8T B7 with cvt gearbox the other day, has the same feeling as well

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:43 pmYes i assume u never drive before cos seeing that u so anti diesel , just joking... turbo diesel cars are not that popular here hence i assume most people never drive one before ... I cannot afford 50:50, RWD car yet maybe u would like to let me have a ride in your car?

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 02:43 PM

yes I also driven the B7 CVT really weird rubberband feeling during traffic light launch, but the teana's xtronic doesn't behave that way.. it pulls linearly engine RPM to vehicle speed during low speed launches.. minimized rubberband effect.

I guess i should test drive the teana one day, the Audi one really rubberband effect, so hard to drive smoothly at stop and go traffic but once it gets up to speed it's fine and comfortable

no anti diesel la.. during late 90s era already driving turbodiesel Vectra across UK..
but for those pickup truck with high torque, carrying heavy body then high torque also not so shiok lor..

ok maybe this TDCI is pretty good, will make it a point to try it soon , acterly I want to try the latest 320d with upgraded 400NM torque.

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:47 pmyeah weird rubberband.. was afraid ppl honk kau me for taking sweet time to move at traffic light..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 25 2011, 02:47 PM

Diesel is all about long distance commute. U dare to cover 1000km on a Vios? How many times u need to refuel and stop? Focus TDCi has been proven to cover min 1000km on a full tank. I cover 2500km per month on my Triton and diesel fuel every month is RM 400. Remember, I need to haul 400kg of machinery and tools on my heavy truck (1750kg). I only need to refuel every Sunday.

This post has been edited by acbc: Oct 25 2011, 02:49 PM

it;s ok I leave the long distance 1000km commute to you.. fuel saving vehicle, no arguments there..

if u plan to test drive tdci try to ask the SA or manager if there is any price slash/increase in 2012 for 2011 tdci sports model...i'm hoping they will do the same like they did for 2010 models since it isn't a popular car over here...duno why people's mindset here cannot change..demand for this car in SG is quite good...

You mentioned in your earlier post that your Focus TDCI gives superb FC even compared to lower end models. Thus i provided figures for the 2003 Vios which show better FC if not similar. So your Focus got better FC based on the City VTEC only. Hence my point.

On highway drives, the weight of the car is somewhat neutralised by the much higher torque and lower RPM on maximum gear. In city drives, yes the higher cc cars are expected to consume more due to the extra weight.

City vtec and vios got pretty much the same FC ( previous generation, based on feedback from forumers ).. Do not compare to mine as i am a really heavy footer, if i can drive a more powerful car with better fc than a least powerful car I believe others should easily achieve that

We're only comparing fuel consumption (in reference to your point No 3 in your earlier post). Its pointless talking about spaciousness and stability. If a 940kg Vios is more stable than a 1440kg Focus then something is wrong somewhere. So its pointless mentioning the obvious rite?

Fuel consumption but then u are comparing a 2000cc car with a 1500cc car, and the bigger cc car is 400kg more than the smaller cc car, see the effect on fuel consumption? If the focus weights 400kgs less would u imagine the FC?

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 03:06 PM

Aiya now u say ure heavy footer.

Anyway heavy footer on highway drives doesnt really affect much as compared to being a heavy footer in town driving.

If the Focus weighs 400kgs less, it wont have a 2L engine mind you.

Also, on 100% highway drives, higher cc cars should actually consume less fuel than a lower cc car. Of course dont compare with a Viva or something like that la.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 25 2011, 03:09 PM

Constant acceleration and deceleration at highway speed will affect the FC a lot as well but not as much as city driving lah

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Added on October 25, 2011, 3:08 pmYes, your point is true as well

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 25 2011, 03:08 PM

hence why i said it wont affect as much as city driving.

But thats where the extra torque comes in. Having a high horsepower alone doesnt help much if your torque is low. In the Focus, the higher HP and torque in the 2L engine helps offset the effects of the extra 500kg in weight.

But also remember, for cars the highest fuel consumption happens during acceleration from a dead stop. On highway drives, you usually slow down to about 60-70kmph (behind heavy vehicles) and then accelerate back up again to 120kmph above. Your higher torque will ensure you reach your intended speed faster than a 1.5L Vios for sure as at 70kmph, the Vios is already at 80% of its available torque.

Which is why, the Vios has excellent 0-100kmph acceleration rate (considering the 1.5L engine) but poor on mid range acceleration.

Smaller cc car usually weights less, hence the less effort to get it moving but once it's on the move, hp and torque counts and that's when bigger CC car can smoke us

lol.. my turn my turn

the focus TDCI is really a good car to drive around city.

i own myself the new honda city as well as the ford focus tdci.

i'll choose the ford focus over the city any time

its a category vs between japs n contis. it contis over japs for me

I am still amazed by your FC , blame my right foot for that

haha everytime when i see a open road or especially uphill. i m always tempted to floor it down LOL

but basically all the cars, depending on the condition of the road, timing and driving style. u can save up abit here n there haha

and to add to that,

i've driven a :-
Satria GTI
Honda Civic EK B16a
Honda City 5G
n now

Ford Focus. putting all this together. Ford Focus n the Ek is the best car i've driven

This post has been edited by moon*: Oct 25 2011, 03:32 PM

the focus has been proved to be able to reach over 1200kms on a single tank, even if that was a controlled situation to maximize FC, if a petrol engine were to follow behind it will NEVER reach that mileage no matter what

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Added on October 25, 2011, 5:27 pmIt's nothing to do with gearbox, it's the engine charateristic, diesel produce max torque at low RPMS, petrol engines produce max torque at HIGH rpms.

To make use of max torque at low speed, the CVT will keep the petrol engine at 3-4k rpms.

Diesel doesn't need that at 2000rpms already 300nm are available.

This post has been edited by rcracer: Oct 25 2011, 05:27 PM

oh please la.. when you compare engine alone no use la.. you still need to know the final drive and gearbox ratios.. 2000rpms 300Nm doesn't mean much as that is the engine output shaft specs before the gearbox not what's seeing the road, which is the drive shaft axle.
please study degree in engineering preferably in 1st world country .. thanks. then we can discuss more.. hard to explain such technical things to non engineering ppl..

is that why cvt are used less and less and more dual clutch is being used instead?

this one about popularity and demand in global car market, I dunno la (not engineering issue).. nissan likes it in the form of xtronic but others didn't catch on..

while DSG not every one also use mah, BMW/benz/lexus/infiniti still want to use normal 7/8/9speed AT?

1. what do u think of this car?is it worth buying?
Good, and yes.

2. will it be able to sell off in the future since it is a diesel engine?
Why not? Diesel engine are built to last.

3. how is the fuel consumption rating?is it better than most of the currently available 1.8L and 2.0L cars in the market?
Fuel consumption... Are you comparing a diesel to a gasoline powered? No doubt the TDCi will churn out more mileage compare to any gasoline powered out there in the same cc range. Good daily driving torque with excellent fuel consumption. Even driven in a sprinted style will still churn out better FC than a gasoline engine.

4. will it be good for daily city driving and as family car?
Of course. Diesel engine are perfect for daily driving = good FC. With that amount of torque, you wont be fetching all of your family members in a car that struggle to move.

Come on guys, comparing a TDCi to a VIOS is so

Want better driving experience? Get a 320d. Recently TT with a bunch of diesel head from BMWCM, i was amazed by the power in stock terms.

Good to see this thread becos >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am getting my TDCI after Deepavali !

hehehe...

vios so kheng can fight 120k class car..

Vios > all...

sarcasm spotted....

lol...u r getting sports or sedan?how much discount u got in total?

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Added on October 25, 2011, 11:12 pmby the way do anyone know which diesel fuel pump able to provide the oomph as well as better FC?i heard ppl has been mentioning BHP prevails in both areas

This post has been edited by yamasce: Oct 25 2011, 11:12 PM

Hi, today I just drove my brand new tdci from kl to penang. Plus some work travelling I put on a total of 700++km in 2 days... FC was impressive... I can't imagine quarter tank of diesel can bring me to penang...my previous ride myvi 1.3 need 1 full tank of petrol to do the same job... I was driving 30%city 60%highway 10%at the same spot... and the car still say I can go another 250km... I am not sure if I am heavy footer... but I most of the time I drive at 120kmph where at highway I usually.go 150-160Kmph...

Any TDCi owners kind enough to snap some night interior shots and post here?

Hehe... I know that feeling after getting my Triton. 1 week (or 700km) of town driving for full tank of diesel.

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Added on October 26, 2011, 3:35 amVios can't even keep with TDCi with 5 adults and 2 large bags in the boot. No torque!

This post has been edited by acbc: Oct 26 2011, 03:35 AM

Interior is not difference from what u see at ford's webpage, browse to paultan for more photos

Just want to have a look how does it look like at night.. the interior lightings..

You will never go wrong with Esso, Caltex, or Petronas (especially kampung areas, nothing else moves). Yellow submarine brand for me is poor FC cos they have this dunno what gas to liquid technology

only filled up with biodiesel so far since the pump close to my resident.

i test driven the focus tdci twice. Once hatch and once sedan. The g-force is addictive. Fun to drive. Look for kenny siew from ford fed highway pj. He offer me rm 15k discount for a 2010 silver sedan.

But i also tried the 320d. And it is more rewarding to drive and higher g-force. Also, its a RWd. A pre reg 2011 model with i drive, gps and dvd player costs rm 225k only. Just head to auto bavaria bmw premium selection in glenmarie.

Auto Bavaria service sucks >.<

If you're considering BMW, better opt for Ingress or Quill.

320D got 184hp & 380Nm sure damn addictive, i have yet to drive one

with extra minimal cost..u also can upgrade ur stock TDCi par with stock 320D performance.

why I felt my car less G force right now?

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Added on October 26, 2011, 12:02 pmI bought 2010 silver sedan with rm20k discount...




This post has been edited by gahpadu: Oct 26 2011, 12:02 PM

Just a simple remap will bring it to 320d performance, but i am more concerned about the gearbox durability as i plan to use this car for at least 7 years

This post has been edited by Bliz: Oct 26 2011, 12:22 PM

deleted. Sorry, symbian os problem. Phone left idle few hours. When i pick up and click refresh, they duplicate my posting.

as for the focus tdci remap, dylan of dktuning can do it for you for below rm 3k. heard from other forum0-100km/h bumps to 8 secs and top speed 225km/h. Max power 184hp, and torque 380nm. Deja vu? Identical to 320d.

This post has been edited by Jeff_lwh: Oct 26 2011, 01:22 PM

i'm planning to remap. any contact for dktuning ?

tq

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Added on October 26, 2011, 2:21 pmhow much milage have you clocked so far ?

This post has been edited by JAL811: Oct 26 2011, 02:21 PM

almost covered 9000 km .

225k is premium selection (used) and it's not pre-reg (new)..

"only" 225k wow elite..

Ever plan to try tuning chip?
Cheaper compare to remap. Fully plug & play.