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cybermaster98
post Oct 25 2011, 08:02 AM

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But i would also like to know from TS, why he chose the Focus TDCI in the first place? What criteria were you looking for and what supported this make in your mind?

I would think that for that price range (and if ure not prepared to fork out more), i would say the Altis would be a decent choice. As im beginning to find out on other threads, Ford's after sales service has alot of room for improvement. Not to mention the poor resale value associated with the Ford brand.
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post Oct 25 2011, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(yamasce @ Oct 25 2011, 09:41 AM)
yes i dun deny their after sales service is not good at the moment but i believe they will improve in the long run..the problem doesn't lie in the ford rather it's due to the SD poor management and planning...outside of m'sia ford owners dun face alot issues but when come to m'sia lots of problem arise...u know who to blame...anyway i know tdci car build and its diesel engine quality is very ruggard and long-lasting...

well i'm not really worry bout resale value since i'm going to use the new car for long long time...any car after long long yrs their resale value not really matters anymore...it would be different case if u plan to use it for 5 yrs or so...then resale value is very important...more than 10 yrs...hmm not so...
U sure u gonna keep more than 10 yrs? I would say that 7 years seem more realistic. Beyond that, the cost of maintenance and spare part replacement far outweigh your resale value.
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post Oct 25 2011, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Oct 25 2011, 11:12 AM)
Some comments from a 6months old tdci user  tongue.gif

3. Superb FC compared to the same class or even the class below! ( Can;t believe i am getting better FC compared to my old car--city vtec 2004 )
4. The solid feeling of the car just can't be replicated by other brand, just go for a test drive in various car then u will know what i mean.
3) What is your fuel consumption? Figures? What kind of driving?
4) Which brands have you compared against?
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post Oct 25 2011, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Oct 25 2011, 01:52 PM)
3) Generally, when i was driving my city vtec for full city drive it's around 10-11km/litre, highway drive is around 12km/litre... while for focus with same driving style, same road is around 10-12km/litre for full city, highway is around 13-14km/litre ( Aircond at coldest setting, fan at number 2 ) ... Once i tested from Melaka city-->Menara PGRM-->Lowyat Plaza-->Melaka city again i got 17km/litre for sedate driving, highway average speed from 110-120km/h, highway is around 80% of the time while 20% is city, total distance covered is around 260km ..
The 2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L (1st generation), can give you about 15km/L for 100% highway driving at about 120kmph. But i would expect it to consume more on highways since the RPM at 120kmph is 3,000. 100% city driving can give you 13km/L.
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post Oct 25 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(yamasce @ Oct 25 2011, 02:13 PM)
lol...u are comparing directly between a 1.5L and 2.0L car and yet they fair about the same...and rmb tat focus is heavier than vios/city and can deliver higher torque at little effort compare to vios/city...
You mentioned in your earlier post that your Focus TDCI gives superb FC even compared to lower end models. Thus i provided figures for the 2003 Vios which show better FC if not similar. So your Focus got better FC based on the City VTEC only. Hence my point.

On highway drives, the weight of the car is somewhat neutralised by the much higher torque and lower RPM on maximum gear. In city drives, yes the higher cc cars are expected to consume more due to the extra weight.

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post Oct 25 2011, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Oct 25 2011, 02:34 PM)
Yours is only a 1.5litre engine and not even weights 1 ton.. My focus is 2000cc and weights 1440kg, see the big difference? Way more powerful, way more spacious, way more stability  sweat.gif... I have owned a driven a city vtec for almost 7 years so I know how it is like to drive one  icon_idea.gif
We're only comparing fuel consumption (in reference to your point No 3 in your earlier post). Its pointless talking about spaciousness and stability. If a 940kg Vios is more stable than a 1440kg Focus then something is wrong somewhere. So its pointless mentioning the obvious rite?
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post Oct 25 2011, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Oct 25 2011, 03:02 PM)
City vtec and vios got pretty much the same FC ( previous generation, based on feedback from forumers ).. Do not compare to mine as i am a really heavy footer, if i can drive a more powerful car with better fc than a least powerful car I believe others should easily achieve that  laugh.gif
Aiya now u say ure heavy footer. notworthy.gif

Anyway heavy footer on highway drives doesnt really affect much as compared to being a heavy footer in town driving.
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post Oct 25 2011, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Oct 25 2011, 03:06 PM)
Fuel consumption but then u are comparing a 2000cc car with a 1500cc car, and the bigger cc car is 400kg more than the smaller cc car, see the effect on fuel consumption? If the focus weights 400kgs less would u imagine the FC?  smile.gif
If the Focus weighs 400kgs less, it wont have a 2L engine mind you. icon_idea.gif

Also, on 100% highway drives, higher cc cars should actually consume less fuel than a lower cc car. Of course dont compare with a Viva or something like that la.

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post Oct 25 2011, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Oct 25 2011, 03:08 PM)
Constant acceleration and deceleration at highway speed will affect the FC a lot as well but not as much as city driving lah  wink.gif
hence why i said it wont affect as much as city driving.

But thats where the extra torque comes in. Having a high horsepower alone doesnt help much if your torque is low. In the Focus, the higher HP and torque in the 2L engine helps offset the effects of the extra 500kg in weight.

But also remember, for cars the highest fuel consumption happens during acceleration from a dead stop. On highway drives, you usually slow down to about 60-70kmph (behind heavy vehicles) and then accelerate back up again to 120kmph above. Your higher torque will ensure you reach your intended speed faster than a 1.5L Vios for sure as at 70kmph, the Vios is already at 80% of its available torque.

Which is why, the Vios has excellent 0-100kmph acceleration rate (considering the 1.5L engine) but poor on mid range acceleration.


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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Aug 27 2012, 10:43 AM)
Ford is better in terms of handling in any where else in the world, even better than VW and Peugeot when tackling corners.. Japs cars are slightly inferior compare to conti except some of its performance car,,
Slightly inferior only? hmm.gif

Most Jap D segments like Camry, Accord and Teana are tuned for comfort not handling. European makes on the other hand are tuned for handling and most also have adaptive suspension.

 

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