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post Mar 18 2024, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 16 2024, 02:00 PM)
If got pure US fund I will buy that vs whatever nonsense Malaysia/china focus fund. Too bad no fund house doesn't want to come out with good prs or prevented from doing so by BNM. My insurance agent said they are not making lots of money via PRS that's why PRS have lots of lousy funds.
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For context, we are talking about PRS and not ILPs. PRS is a licensed activity regulated by SC and not BNM.

The only player in the market that is an insurer that offers PRS is AIA.

When PRS was first introduced to the market, the question was how to convince investors to invest in the fund (aside from tax exemption), since there are various existing funds that had established track record and at the lowest cost to replicate.

To meet the above criteria, you would see various fund houses adopt a fund of fund or feeder fund structure. Essentially, they are leveraging on their existing funds and generally Malaysian fund managers only have expertise (at most), the Asia Pacific (ex Japan) region.

Which explains why you don't see any PRS funds with exposure to countries such as US, Europe, LATAM etc...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 16 2024, 02:00 PM)
If got pure US fund I will buy that vs whatever nonsense Malaysia/china focus fund. Too bad no fund house doesn't want to come out with good prs or prevented from doing so by BNM. My insurance agent said they are not making lots of money via PRS that's why PRS have lots of lousy funds.
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Not really. Public Mutual PRS Islamic strategy fund have a good mix of US/China-ASIAN fund
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post Mar 19 2024, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(thkent91 @ Mar 19 2024, 11:10 AM)
Not really. Public Mutual PRS Islamic strategy fund have a good mix of US/China-ASIAN fund
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Public mutual is not available on FSM. I only considered fund on DAM as I am not going to pay anyone service charges.
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post Mar 19 2024, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Mar 14 2024, 08:32 AM)
Any idea how the interest being calculate.

I invest in PRS for 9 year. But the total interest earn is only 7% for the whole 9 year period. Mean every year interest earn less than 1%. How about others?
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This is disappointing.

QUOTE(mynewuser @ Mar 15 2024, 08:01 AM)
I think this plan will ask us to contribute fix amt till certain year. Else we will not able to enjoy any cash return.
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Normally first N years to put in, then no need already.
Suggest to check exactly then withdraw & put into money market first while you find a more longer term to put.
let me know if need some info on money market. There plenty out there like KDI,Versa, etc. Safe bet is EPF
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post Mar 19 2024, 04:31 PM

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Once no more tax relief, PRS can close shop. No reason for anyone to buy other than for the tax relief
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post Mar 19 2024, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Mar 19 2024, 04:31 PM)
Once no more tax relief, PRS can close shop. No reason for anyone to buy other than for the tax relief
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Yes. That's right.
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post Mar 19 2024, 04:57 PM

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PRS Tax Relief is up to YA2025 currently, right ?
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 19 2024, 04:57 PM)
PRS Tax Relief is up to YA2025 currently, right ?
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Correct YA 2025. 2 more years, unless extended again

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I have calculated, just by putting your money into FD with average 4% rate, your returns would hv surpassed PRS returns including the tax deduction. So dont waste time putting money into the PRS. How can you tell whether the asset management firm will still be there by the time you retired? Especially those asset management firm (Affinhwang, Kenanga) without banking assets as backing. Nobody ever thought about asset management firms collapsing once musical chair stop (fresh funds come in). Correct me if I am wrong but i think all PRS funds are not PIDM protected.

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 07:44 PM)
I have calculated, just by putting your money into FD with average 4% rate, your returns would hv surpassed PRS returns including the tax deduction. So dont waste time putting money into the PRS. How can you tell whether the asset management firm will still be there by the time you retired? Especially those asset management firm (Affinhwang, Kenanga) without banking assets as backing. Nobody ever thought about asset management firms collapsing once musical chair stop (fresh funds come in). Correct me if I am wrong but i think all PRS funds are not PIDM protected.
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Ramjade has monitored and switch funds frequently. Most of us do not have the time to do so.
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 07:44 PM)
I have calculated, just by putting your money into FD with average 4% rate, your returns would hv surpassed PRS returns including the tax deduction. So dont waste time putting money into the PRS. How can you tell whether the asset management firm will still be there by the time you retired? Especially those asset management firm (Affinhwang, Kenanga) without banking assets as backing. Nobody ever thought about asset management firms collapsing once musical chair stop (fresh funds come in). Correct me if I am wrong but i think all PRS funds are not PIDM protected.
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can share your calculation ?
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 07:44 PM)
I have calculated, just by putting your money into FD with average 4% rate, your returns would hv surpassed PRS returns including the tax deduction. So dont waste time putting money into the PRS. How can you tell whether the asset management firm will still be there by the time you retired? Especially those asset management firm (Affinhwang, Kenanga) without banking assets as backing. Nobody ever thought about asset management firms collapsing once musical chair stop (fresh funds come in). Correct me if I am wrong but i think all PRS funds are not PIDM protected.
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Wah bro that is a very BIG statement
I think it applies only to people with

1)low tax bracket
2)paying high fees on PRS
3)bought poor performers PRS

I bought my PRS and i have never switched or sell..
Dec 2023 i bought a new PRS, after consulting Ramjade
It is doing well, nearly 14% in 3months+

I dont think i need to actively monitor it and switch around

I would not take the PRS money go put in FD

different money
in different baskets
for different purpose.






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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 19 2024, 10:52 PM)
Wah bro that is a very BIG statement
I think it applies only to people with

1)low tax bracket
2)paying high fees on PRS
3)bought poor performers PRS

I bought my PRS  and i have never switched or sell..
Dec 2023 i  bought a new PRS, after consulting Ramjade
It is doing well, nearly 14% in  3months+

I dont think i need to actively monitor it and  switch around

I would not  take the PRS money go put in FD

different money
in different baskets
for different purpose.
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I also own the CIMB Asia Pacific Fund til to date I am still in the red. I have entered when market is at its peak and China market suffered thereafter. You are probably lucky because you have bought your PRS at much earlier time when market is at its bull run for the 10 years you have experienced. Those bought at the peak would have suffered greatly.
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 11:00 PM)
I also own the CIMB Asia Pacific Fund til to date I am still in the red. I have entered when market is at its peak and China market suffered thereafter. You are probably lucky because you have bought your PRS at much earlier time when market is at its bull run for the 10 years you have experienced. Those bought at the peak would have suffered greatly.
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i didnt buy all RM36k 1 shot 10 years ago

I cannot escape the bull time, i bought them still. i buy every year.

share your PRS see,
i think if tax gain already 21% or more, that should cover
your losses now at around 5%??

What did you buy for 2023? That should have made you some money now.

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post Mar 19 2024, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 07:44 PM)
I have calculated, just by putting your money into FD with average 4% rate, your returns would hv surpassed PRS returns including the tax deduction. So dont waste time putting money into the PRS. How can you tell whether the asset management firm will still be there by the time you retired? Especially those asset management firm (Affinhwang, Kenanga) without banking assets as backing. Nobody ever thought about asset management firms collapsing once musical chair stop (fresh funds come in). Correct me if I am wrong but i think all PRS funds are not PIDM protected.
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 10:34 PM)
Ramjade has monitored and switch funds frequently. Most of us do not have the time to do so.
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I have cimb principal Asia Pacific too since days of najib with youth incentive of RM1k. I switched last year.

I dont really monitor. But seeing my cimb principal aisa Pacific get destroyed and emperor xi keep touting common prosperity, I switched my fund. Less than a year already back to 10%p.a returns.

I would have like pure US funds but can't do anything as no such prs exist.

Buy prs. Lower your income tax. Pay less tax regardless who is in charge of govt of the day. Don't just buy and forget. Money in prs is still your own money. That's why I do both.
1. Income tax relief
2. Maximise return where and when possible.

Most people just aim for 1.

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Prs has no real benefit excpet tax rebate.
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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Mar 20 2024, 12:00 AM)
Prs has no real benefit excpet tax rebate.
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Depends on how you look at it. You choose the right fund, you have something that can outperform EPF. It's not good but decent if can outperform EPF.

If choose lousy fund then yeah it sucks.

Come to think of it, all ILP fund also sucks and people still buy ILP. lol.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 19 2024, 11:12 PM)
i didnt buy all RM36k 1 shot  10 years ago

I cannot escape the bull  time, i  bought them still. i buy every year.

share your PRS see,
i think if tax gain already 21% or more, that should cover
your  losses now at around 5%??

What did you buy for 2023? That should have made you some money now.
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My portfolio barely recovered. I bought 2 PRS funds 8 years ago. I agree with Ramjade, most PRS funds sucks. For me the tax deduction isnt worth it at all given the opportunity costs I have lost and my portfolio cant even breakeven.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 20 2024, 12:16 AM)
Depends on how you look at it. You choose the right fund, you have something that can outperform EPF. It's not good but decent if can outperform EPF.

If choose lousy fund then yeah it sucks.

Come to think of it, all ILP fund also sucks and people still buy ILP.  lol.
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I guess they must hv their reasons for buying it.

Internet has tons of articles about it.
Example on topic like this.....
"Pros and Cons of Investment-Linked Plans (ILPs) & Who Should Buy It?"

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