Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

3 Pages  1 2 3 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??

views
     
Cubalagi
post Dec 22 2022, 11:47 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 22 2022, 04:10 PM)
Switch to Asia ex Japan or Asia Pacific ex Japan fund. Malaysia focus funds is super lousy the performance.
*
Be aware that what u recommending is a higher risk fund.

The Aham moderate PRS fund is a 60/40 fund, which is a a balance risk portfolio. Its unfortunate that this year is one of the worst year ever for a 60/40 portfolio, as the 40 cushion didnt work. Likely what happen this year wont repeat next year.

N its also not a Malaysia only fund. Its 50 Malaysia n 50 foreign Fact sheet says that after Malaysia, next biggest counrry allocation is the USA at 15%.


Cubalagi
post Dec 22 2022, 11:55 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 22 2022, 11:53 PM)
Look at it over long term. Long term the return beats EPF.
*
Higher risk u will expect to get higher returns long term..but no guarantee. And past performance is ...


Cubalagi
post Dec 23 2022, 12:14 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 22 2022, 11:58 PM)
Actually I am talking about Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity.
*
I guessed as much. That is just a feeder fund into the Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund. which is 90+% invested in Asia Pac Ex Japan equities. Based on factsheet, biggest country allocation is HK China (15%).

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Dec 23 2022, 12:14 AM
Cubalagi
post Dec 23 2022, 10:16 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 23 2022, 12:20 AM)
That's the problem. Dont know why there is no PRS fund which is focus in the US only.
*
But US market not looking so good nowadays

Cubalagi
post Dec 23 2022, 05:01 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 23 2022, 12:29 PM)
Think long term. The time to make money is when market is red. No when it's green.
*
What is long term for you? How many years of red or bad returns before u say enough?

Cubalagi
post Dec 23 2022, 09:55 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Dec 23 2022, 06:10 PM)
if u r tight on cash, why wanna lock it until 55 years old. enjoy to a certain extent when u r young. some ppl live like a pauper now, to 'enjoy' later - but again when u r old how much do u need to spend.
*
As you grow older, you will realize that 55 isnt that old and, before you know it, you are there.

And its not about enjoy later, its about living a dignified life and not overburdening others for about 20 years or so with no active income.

Cubalagi
post Dec 23 2022, 10:52 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 23 2022, 05:21 PM)
15-20 years is my horizon. As long as I don't need the money the redder and the longer it is the better. I can buy more.

For PRS max I buy only RM3008. Not more. For my stocks as long as it's cheap I buy and if I have money. Anyway PRS max duration of contribution is until 2025 only if I am not mistaken.
*
2025 is the expiry of the tax relief. It could be extended again depend on MOF.


Cubalagi
post Dec 24 2022, 11:27 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 24 2022, 03:31 AM)
Assuming I am in the tax bracket that can get 24% tax rebates on RM3k, what do you guys advise?

In the past, I've always stayed away because I don't think the tax incentive is incentive enough to get PPA. I know of someone who'd worked with one of the fund management company which handles PRS funds, their observation is that the PRS funds were rather neglected and were secondary in importance to the "full" unit trust funds.

Is it still worth going into PRS, to get the RM720 rebate? I'm looking for funds that can return 4.0%-4.5% while invested in fixed income but I can't see any with the mandate and return criteria.
*
Its worth it because otherwise this money is going to the government. And one of the secret to grow wealth is to minimize taxes.

And 720/3000 is 24% immediate return. Think about it this way

U invest RM3k to PRS but u also put the RM720 relief into PRS making it RM3720. Lets say the PRS is a mediocre one but managed to get you an annualized return of 4% over 5 years. Your balance should be about RM4500. Thats about 8.5%% pa. returns which is pretty decent.

U dont have to put into PRS, you can also put the RM720 in a higher return investment for even better results.

But if you just spend the RM720 normally, then you wont feel any difference.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Dec 24 2022, 11:28 AM
Cubalagi
post Dec 24 2022, 11:32 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 24 2022, 10:48 AM)


But with 2 more years of tax relief, think if you want to commit. I commited since the days of RM1000 youth incentive by the government.

Remember money paid back to you is your money. Money paid to govt is no longer your money.
*
3 more years..23, 24 and 25.

Here Im hopping for the govt to increase the relief for both PRS n kwsp to help build up retirement savings, because a retirement crisis is heading our way.

Cubalagi
post Dec 24 2022, 11:36 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 24 2022, 11:33 AM)
Yikes sorry. I think we are in 2023 already. I never depend on govt. Frankly PRS and EPF is lousy way to invest for retirement.

Best way is dividend investing with automatic dividend growth of 15%p.a
*
I dont depend on the govt, but I take back what I can as I pay lots of taxes. For eg I use RON95.


Cubalagi
post Jan 1 2023, 09:49 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 31 2022, 08:51 AM)
I don't have last 2. Cause I only buy one PRS fund. Not performing because crackdown by emperor xi. Once emperor xi stop cracking them down, should be ok. Prior to emperor xi crackdown, double digit return yearly. Never track but I know double digit for like 4 years in a row?
*
Your number 1 has -14.01% in 2022 and 2.95% return in 2021. 5 year annualized returns is a mere 1.82%. However, 10 years annualized is a good 8.49%. Basically, the fund did extremely well in the first 5 years but, in the more recent 5 years it basically suck, with bad years cancelling much of the gains of the good years within the last 5 years.

* source from FSM

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jan 1 2023, 09:51 PM
Cubalagi
post Mar 2 2023, 10:59 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014



Im paying 0% SC for my PRS investment. I invest directly to my PRS provider AHAM.

I actually thought this is normal for all PRS, but the question above makes me wonder about others.


Cubalagi
post Mar 2 2023, 02:11 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 2 2023, 11:19 AM)
I think, PM prs funds will incur 3% sc
I think for all prs funds all fund houses, ...max is only 3% sc.
*
Wow..3 percent kind of sucks.

Cubalagi
post Mar 9 2023, 03:27 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(holyleonard @ Mar 9 2023, 11:52 AM)
Let's say the fee is at 3%, and annual return is 6%, doesn't it mean it's only 3% return?
Corect me if I'm wrong.
*
You have to differenciate between Sales Charge and Management Fee.

The 3% is the max sales charge and is one off upfront for new investments. Say u invest RM1000 at 3% SC, your investment is only RM970.

Not all PRS charges 3%. For my AHAM PRS it is 0%. Meaning if I put RM1000, all.RM1000 gets invested.

Management Fee is charged on the AUM annually, the percentage varies by the type of PRS, usually between 1%-1.5% per year. This fee is taken out of the fund i.e. you dont directly pay it, but it will affect the performance of the fund.

Basically, if you read the fund return is 6%, then it would already be net of the Management Fee.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Mar 9 2023, 03:28 PM
Cubalagi
post Mar 9 2023, 06:46 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 9 2023, 06:23 PM)
Not interested in reits. I want stuff like Microsoft, visa, tsmc, apple etc.
*
Tsmc is Taiwan

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 9 2023, 06:23 PM)
Not interested in reits. I want stuff like Microsoft, visa, tsmc, apple etc.
*
What sort of US weightage u want? Dont think there is anything above 50.


This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Mar 9 2023, 07:33 PM
Cubalagi
post Mar 28 2023, 08:28 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2023, 10:04 PM)
Interest rate going up. Bond price goes down as yield goes up.
*
Correct, but looking at the terrible performance, it probably suffered a big default as well.

And this is a dead fund as AUM is just RM10k!. Meaning all investors have already switched/withdraw earlier. The small balance would suffer from higher costs dragging down performance further.

Cubalagi
post Mar 28 2023, 10:11 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2023, 11:03 PM)
Majority of prs are. As mentioned there are only a handful of prs which is good. Also need to see your risk profile. Mine is fully equities as I have no use for bonds.
*
Last year was an "ordinary" bear merket for equities. However, it was the worst bear market for bonds in history of the modern financial market. We are still seeing the reverberations of this eg SVB collapse.

Having said that, investment is about looking forward to the future. Im looking towards a probabilitu of reversion to the mean this year or next.

At your age, early 30s, you might not need to buy and hold bonds. But I think can stil be considered tactically in a DIY portfolio.
Cubalagi
post Mar 28 2023, 10:17 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 28 2023, 10:14 AM)
You can treat EPF like a bond. I learned from one Singapoream blogger that he treat his CPF as triple AAA rating bond which pays 4%p.a

I have never been a bond person cause if you have dividends spitting out more money that you can spend, why the hell you need a bond for???
*
Because EPF is fixed price. You want the price to go up when interest rate drop eg due to recession. Then you sell for capital gains and then reallocate to equities.

Cubalagi
post Mar 28 2023, 11:05 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 28 2023, 10:19 AM)
That's not a purpose of bond. Bond is to anchor your portfolio so that it helps to smoothen the volatility.
*
How do u think bond smoothen volatiility? How is it different than cash then?

The answer is in the potential for capital gains in certain market environment where equities tend to do poorly eg recession.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Mar 28 2023, 11:08 AM
Cubalagi
post Mar 28 2023, 11:17 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 28 2023, 11:14 AM)
By not moving too much unlike stocks. Theoretically.
*
That and also moving in the opposite direction. Theoretically.


This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Mar 28 2023, 11:18 AM

3 Pages  1 2 3 >Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0310sec    0.90    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 4th December 2025 - 03:41 PM