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post Jun 18 2012, 05:17 AM

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Ehh lex become staff liao. Congratz Congratz thumbup.gif
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can other lcd/led panel overclocked too?
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post Jun 18 2012, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jun 18 2012, 05:17 AM)
Ehh lex become staff liao. Congratz Congratz thumbup.gif
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+1 more red tag member. congrats

QUOTE(cybersans @ Jun 18 2012, 10:59 AM)
can other lcd/led panel overclocked too?
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usually ppl is raising refresh rate frequency for smoother motion.
i do that too, 76hz with dell 2209wa
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post Jun 18 2012, 12:57 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88
Timescapes 4k by tom lowell

any 1 with 2560x1440 resolution above pls watch this Timescapes video
u will not regret
the full version is also out, u can buy it or getting from ur "friends"
there is also 1080p version
enjoy!


Added on June 18, 2012, 12:59 pm
QUOTE(lex @ Jun 18 2012, 05:03 AM)
Speaking of Korean monitors, I wonder if you noticed the ISP in 881118's siggy. tongue.gif Anyway, here's a good answer to that...And I don't like glossy screens too. The reflections can be highly distracting. It doesn't have to be overhead lights, any onject in the victinity that reflects or emits light will show up on the glossy surface. If you play games that have dark and/or nocturnal environments (e.g. at night, in a dark cavern, unlit hallways, etc) then the reflections will be more significant (ie. annoying). wink.gif
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ya those korean WQHD monitor is getting more popular and cheaper now adays
but overclockable version is not produced anymore
there are only limited stocks left


Added on June 18, 2012, 1:02 pm
QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 18 2012, 02:18 AM)
Any 2312HM owner user here. ...  sad.gif  sad.gif
Is it really Dell brand of 2312hm that poor  sad.gif .
What kind of rainbow effect ? i dont understand... sad.gif
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did u use smartphone screen protector be4?
there are clear type vs matte type
go take ur friends smartphone and compare
the matte type will give u little grainy dots that consisted of different color (i call it rainbow colors)
the clear type is self explained


Added on June 18, 2012, 1:04 pm
QUOTE(ktek @ Jun 18 2012, 12:48 PM)
+1 more red tag member. congrats
usually ppl is raising refresh rate frequency for smoother motion.
i do that too, 76hz with dell 2209wa
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not all monitor are overclockable
my dell 2312hm wont OC

This post has been edited by 881118: Jun 18 2012, 01:04 PM
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post Jun 18 2012, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(881118 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:57 PM)
ya those korean WQHD monitor is getting more popular and cheaper now adays
but overclockable version is not produced anymore
there are only limited stocks left
QUOTE(881118 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:57 PM)
not all monitor are overclockable
my dell 2312hm wont OC
I don't think most people will and can "overclock" their LCD monitors. Most of the LCD monitors in the market are all "fixed" in terms of refresh rate and pixel clock frequency according to the LCD panel's factory specification (talking about the panel itself which also has its own driver/controller, a.k.a the "T-Con" board). wink.gif

QUOTE(881118 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:57 PM)
did u use smartphone screen protector be4?
there are clear type vs matte type
go take ur friends smartphone and compare
the matte type will give u little grainy dots that consisted of different color (i call it rainbow colors)
the clear type is self explained
I don't think those are fair comparisons since those smartphones have very small screens, the rainbow colors will only appear when there's dust/dirt and/or moisture (e.g. sweat, oily finger marks, etc) on the surface (ie. common occurance on portable and pocket devices like smartphones and handphones due to handling, usage and storage). There are no "rainbow effect" on most LCD monitors unless, as mentioned before, dust/dirt and/or moisture on the surface. Anyone can try that on their LCD monitors, take a wet cloth and wipe a small part of the monitor and the "rainbows" appears in the path of the cloth wipe. icon_idea.gif

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Hey need help on suggestion here. Want to get a monitor, 23 or 24 inch, budget around 600
Need a recent monitor, mainly use for connecting my PS3, therefore HDMI port will be a plus, and at the same time, it will be my second monitor connected to my laptop.
I heard at this price I can get one with IPS display, but the question is, do I need IPS display? I mainly surf net maybe sometimes game. If I can save the money, it will be very nice too!
Need resolution at least 1080p or above.

Any recommendation is welcome, i did some research on newegg, those top rated asus monitor cant find in malaysia one =.=
so i came here for help icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(joshuatly @ Jun 18 2012, 07:34 PM)
Hey need help on suggestion here. Want to get a monitor, 23 or 24 inch, budget around 600
Need a recent monitor, mainly use for connecting my PS3, therefore HDMI port will be a plus, and at the same time, it will be my second monitor connected to my laptop.
I heard at this price I can get one with IPS display, but the question is, do I need IPS display? I mainly surf net maybe sometimes game. If I can save the money, it will be very nice too!
Need resolution at least 1080p or above.

Any recommendation is welcome, i did some research on newegg, those top rated asus monitor cant find in malaysia one =.=
so i came here for help  icon_question.gif
There's the LG IPS236V 23" IPS LCD monitor which retails for around RM599, comes with HDMI, DVI and VGA ports. wink.gif

This post has been edited by lex: Jun 19 2012, 09:07 AM
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post Jun 20 2012, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(881118 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:57 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88
Timescapes 4k by tom lowell

any 1 with 2560x1440 resolution above pls watch this Timescapes video
u will not regret
the full version is also out, u can buy it or getting from ur "friends"
there is also 1080p version
enjoy!


Added on June 18, 2012, 12:59 pm

ya those korean WQHD monitor is getting more popular and cheaper now adays
but overclockable version is not produced anymore
there are only limited stocks left


Added on June 18, 2012, 1:02 pm

did u use smartphone screen protector be4?
there are clear type vs matte type
go take ur friends smartphone and compare
the matte type will give u little grainy dots that consisted of different color (i call it rainbow colors)
the clear type is self explained


Added on June 18, 2012, 1:04 pm

not all monitor are overclockable
my dell 2312hm wont OC
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It's just a bit of blur , that's all.but how does a raindow affect happen ? as to compare with glossy screen ?
Btw , who say cannot be overclock ?
http://wondercsabo.szunyi.com/PH/U2312_50_72.inf

QUOTE(lex @ Jun 18 2012, 06:48 PM)
I don't think most people will and can "overclock" their LCD monitors. Most of the LCD monitors in the market are all "fixed" in terms of refresh rate and pixel clock frequency according to the LCD panel's factory specification (talking about the panel itself which also has its own driver/controller, a.k.a the "T-Con" board). wink.gif

I don't think those are fair comparisons since those smartphones have very small screens, the rainbow colors will only appear when there's dust/dirt and/or moisture (e.g. sweat, oily finger marks, etc) on the surface (ie. common occurance on portable and pocket devices like smartphones and handphones due to handling, usage and storage). There are no "rainbow effect" on most LCD monitors unless, as mentioned before, dust/dirt and/or moisture on the surface. Anyone can try that on their LCD monitors, take a wet cloth and wipe a small part of the monitor and the "rainbows" appears in the path of the cloth wipe. icon_idea.gif
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but he didn't mention about dust or dirt.
Using wet cloth , I think it's the same with glossy panel.Try wiping on ipad , it'll also produce some raindows effect ? Any picture showing those rainbow effect ?

I plan to buy an LCD not after I heard about it starting to get worry on Dell quality. sad.gif
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hi, i need help in making the best decision in relate to purchasing a new LED/LCD monitor. My budget is less than RM900, Hence comes the question. Purchasing a 32inch LCD at RM895 or a 23'-27' LED/LCD monitor would be the best choice?
Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 20 2012, 12:20 AM)
It's just a bit of blur , that's all.but how does a raindow affect happen ? as to compare with glossy screen ?
Btw , who say cannot be overclock ?
http://wondercsabo.szunyi.com/PH/U2312_50_72.inf
Overclock? That's just forcing the refresh rate. The panel's rate of pixel update (which affects the GTG response) doesn't change at all, very much controlled by the panel driver itself (a.k.a the "T-Con" board). Even the speed of the LVDS communications between the main DScaler board and the T-Con board is always fixed. wink.gif

QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 20 2012, 12:20 AM)
but he didn't mention about dust or dirt.
Using wet cloth , I think it's the same with glossy panel.Try wiping on ipad , it'll also produce some raindows effect ? Any picture showing those rainbow effect ?

I plan to buy an LCD not after I heard about it starting to get worry on Dell quality. sad.gif
That's implied, especially when he mentioned smartphones screens. Why do you need to worry so much about what he said. Do you currently have a LCD monitor? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by lex: Jun 20 2012, 12:46 AM
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Well, it seems the debate for glossy screen and matte screen has gone quite hot in here?
My comments, glossy screen sucks to the max, why?
I have a Samsung 2333SW, matte. A Laptop, Dell Studio 1555 and it's glossy, to be frank glossy are the worst screen not just because it's mirror, but the backlight bleed got reflected on the screen and it's like bright on the bottom or top (or side way depends on the light bleed), if you work in dark screen, you'll hate glossy screen. Movie watching? you probably need to adjust either your head or the screen to a very good position, otherwise the backlight bleed is totally annoying.
Matte screen however is prone to the glow, it happen to every matte screen, not just the so called "IPS glow", it's purple-ish if you turn your head severely side-way, or look at ~45 degree angle, and depends on model (probably the matte material) it can either on the blue-ish side or yellow-ish.
But if you have bright full screen on both type of screen then those matter does not matter but under very bright room (i.e. incandescent light bulb) then you'll see the reflection of the light source clearer at glossy screen than matte screen.
So, professional screen still uses the matte screen and those explained all. Apple Cinema... well... I'm not sure why they uses the glossy though.
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jun 20 2012, 07:25 AM)
Well, it seems the debate for glossy screen and matte screen has gone quite hot in here?
My comments, glossy screen sucks to the max, why?
I have a Samsung 2333SW, matte. A Laptop, Dell Studio 1555 and it's glossy, to be frank glossy are the worst screen not just because it's mirror, but the backlight bleed got reflected on the screen and it's like bright on the bottom or top (or side way depends on the light bleed), if you work in dark screen, you'll hate glossy screen. Movie watching? you probably need to adjust either your head or the screen to a very good position, otherwise the backlight bleed is totally annoying.
Matte screen however is prone to the glow, it happen to every matte screen, not just the so called "IPS glow", it's purple-ish if you turn your head severely side-way, or look at ~45 degree angle, and depends on model (probably the matte material) it can either on the blue-ish side or yellow-ish.
But if you have bright full screen on both type of screen then those matter does not matter but under very bright room (i.e. incandescent light bulb) then you'll see the reflection of the light source clearer at glossy screen than matte screen.
So, professional screen still uses the matte screen and those explained all. Apple Cinema... well... I'm not sure why they uses the glossy though.
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my glossy screen does not has the same issue as yours
only minor blacklight bleed, which is exist in almost all monitor

and i am not sure it is a good example to compare a laptop screen to a monitor screen?
maybe u should try apple cinema 1st


Added on June 20, 2012, 8:25 pm
QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 20 2012, 12:20 AM)
It's just a bit of blur , that's all.but how does a raindow affect happen ? as to compare with glossy screen ?
Btw , who say cannot be overclock ?
http://wondercsabo.szunyi.com/PH/U2312_50_72.inf
but he didn't mention about dust or dirt.
Using wet cloth , I think it's the same with glossy panel.Try wiping on ipad , it'll also produce some raindows effect ? Any picture showing those rainbow effect ?

I plan to buy an LCD not after I heard about it starting to get worry on Dell quality. sad.gif
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i didnt mentioned any rainbow effect, or dust and dirt, or wiping water on screen
what i am saying is matte screen (u2312hm) has little grainy dots (random colors)
while glossy screen do not
maybe it is not obvious to u guys, but when i place both matte and glossy side by side, the difference is very big

u can compare smartphone screen protector matte type vs clear type, i think it is a good example

This post has been edited by 881118: Jun 20 2012, 08:28 PM
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Glossy sucks. Reflections are annoying as hell. I want a screen not a mirror.
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QUOTE(taint8 @ Jun 20 2012, 12:42 AM)
hi, i need help in making the best decision in relate to purchasing a new LED/LCD monitor. My budget is less than RM900, Hence comes the question.  Purchasing a 32inch LCD at RM895 or a 23'-27'  LED/LCD monitor would be the best choice?
Thanks in advance.
Just beware that most of the cheap 32-inch LCD TVs are not true 1080p (ie. usually their resolution is 1366x768), thus the pixels will be coarse. If you want to look for LCD TV as monitor, make sure its true 1080p (ie. native resolution is 1920x1080) and NOT a TN panel type (ie. TN panels have bad viewing angles, not desirable with large screens). One simple test to determine this is too look from below (ie. TN panels becomes very dark when viewed from bottom angle). Watching movies would be great on large screens but not so great with gaming unless the LCD TV is of a certain distance away from where you are sitting. That's because on a large screen you will have to move your head often to cover the display area. hmm.gif

QUOTE(881118 @ Jun 20 2012, 08:20 PM)
my glossy screen does not has the same issue as yours
only minor blacklight bleed, which is exist in almost all monitor

and i am not sure it is a good example to compare a laptop screen to a monitor screen?
maybe u should try apple cinema 1st

i didnt mentioned any rainbow effect, or dust and dirt, or wiping water on screen
what i am saying is matte screen (u2312hm) has little grainy dots (random colors)
while glossy screen do not
maybe it is not obvious to u guys, but when i place both matte and glossy side by side, the difference is very big
I've worked on glossy screens (HP brand monitor) before in my previous office and its really bad. Reflections everywhere, even the stuff on my desk (like paper, pens, my tie clip, etc). The office overhead light reflections from the ceiling are the most annoying. Using matte and glossy side by side, the difference is obvious. For screen readability. glossy simply fails, unless the room is dark (no other light sources). Glossy for aesthetics suckers... rclxub.gif

QUOTE(881118 @ Jun 20 2012, 08:20 PM)
u can compare smartphone screen protector matte type vs clear type, i think it is a good example
Bad example again. Matte type screen protector layer would disperse the pixels on the previous LCD panel "layer" (ie. acts like thousands of mini/micro prisms), then of course it will show "rainbow colors". Its almost the same as a layer of moisture on top of a LCD panel (ie. wiping a wet cloth on top of the LCD panel). You can even try that (introducing moisture) on the glossy, and the rainbow colors will appear also. doh.gif

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jun 20 2012, 08:44 PM)
Glossy sucks. Reflections are annoying as hell. I want a screen not a mirror.
It unanimous... laugh.gif

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Glossy vs Matte screen discussion continues....

Which is why professional screen (Apple Cinema aside) is always matte, as lex has stated, matte screen cannot compare to phone matte protector, phone screen tend to have a thick plastic or so called gorilla glass to protect the inner screen, which is why when you place another layer of matte screen you'll see the "grainy colours" on the screen, of which is only obvious if you look at it side way or very close on dark screen.
I have a matte layer protector for my smartphone, I can't find obvious "grainy colours" when I use it on bright screen so it's pretty much OK for me, the glossy type is a finger magnet and it works like mirror (no-no for under sunlight or very bright condition).
After all, it is still users taste debate, so you can continue to use your favourite glossy screen while others will stick to their "policy" (matte rules! tongue.gif)
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I'm thinking of getting a Samsung 27" monitor, the S27A350H model good for its price?

Also..glossy monitor SUCKS.
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i agreed with the disadvantages of glossy screens, they are just annoying
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post Jun 23 2012, 10:36 PM

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Please , I dont intend to make a war debate on glossy vs matte.
Just wanted to confirm something why some said having rainbow color on matte screen.

For those who really like glossy , you can remove those anti glare with the sacrifice of warranty
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1674033



Added on June 23, 2012, 10:39 pmjust adding , this mod , risk is > very high damaging your monitor . Let someone expert to do it if you wanted to.
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=878149

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 23 2012, 10:36 PM)
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To answer your question "why is there *rainbow* color on matte screen?", let me tell you it isn't true (99.99%) and depends on your room lightning matte screen still the best.
3H coating on those IPS monitor is totally different that your matte stick-on on the smartphone, yes I do see grainy colors on my matte screen on my smartphone but I don't see any on my monitor, so it's safe to say matte screen monitor has no or much less than 0.1% which is not so obvious until you really stick your face right on it, of which my case... I can't really "stick my face" cause I'm still on CCFL and that thing is DARN HOT!! sweat.gif

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