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post Sep 5 2011, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(edisonkum @ Sep 5 2011, 12:21 AM)
guyz,need ur opinon,i am doing graphic design,need correct color fot photo produce,any recommend for dell monitor,i saw dell come out many promotion and new product wif led technology,but its led suitable for ips ?
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How accurate you want it to be?
How much budget you willing to spend on single monitor?
LED for IPS is just matter of personal preference I guess, some prefer CCFL due to gamut coverage? (correct this)
U2410 and higher end IPS still using CCFL except for Apple Cinema is an exception.
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post Sep 8 2011, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Sep 7 2011, 12:54 PM)
yea i still cant get the right setting for both...it seems like i am having problems with the 2412m having a very bright blue white color compare to my 2410...for now my both monitor is using the inbuilt preset for game mode...and it seems like very very bright and i have to low their brightness especially on 2410...but then normally my 2410 is using 35 brightness setting which i already feel is bright enough
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I don't think you can get color for U2412M to match the U2410 perfectly due to the U2412M being an e-IPS and WLED being the limitation for wider gamut (or color?) coverage.
But you might be able to get U2412M close enough and adjust the U2410 to match U2412M instead.
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post Sep 12 2011, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 12 2011, 07:34 AM)
Guys, is there much different between CCFL backlight and LED type ?
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why my friend say the old type is better ah
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The current Dell LED IPS panel is using a single color white (WLED) backlight thus incomparable to the CCFL backlight which able to provide better color coverage and gamut.
This is all that I know since WLED is still new to the market but it's not too bad for entry IPS so you might not have notice it until you compare them side-by-side.
And also, WLED will make the white seems much blue in color, I did some side-by-side eye compare to my Samsung 2333SW and my laptop, my monitor has better color and probably I like warmer color better than my laptop WLED backlight.
Higher-end IPS probably has the RGB-LED (some other brands) by now which able to provide much accurate colors production than WLED, I have not seen enough articles to give much solid "words" so it's up to end users' "golden" eye. wink.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Wii_hunter @ Sep 13 2011, 12:14 PM)
Currently using VGA cause im using my laptop. Once my desktop is built i'll be using DVI. Do you think it has something to do with the vga connection?
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FYI, my monitor also got this so-called refresh from my laptop through VGA cables, and only happens on certain range of colors so it's fine, it's just the analogue signal problem, some older laptop has it worst.
You can however try to clean the port of the VGA cable or at the laptop, it might improve slightly but no guarantee.
There's electronic contacts cleaner, or you can use air-compressed can.
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post Sep 13 2011, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(FukaDa @ Sep 13 2011, 11:32 AM)
What's the best samsung LCD for gaming T_T i wan 2ms type any one can intro me a good one
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Get 120Hz 3D monitor, it should provide very smooth 120Hz under 2D gaming.
Dell Alienware is one of it, Alienware OptX™ AW2310.
http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/sna.asp...ainment_monitor

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 13 2011, 04:18 PM)
FYI, Normal humans can only discern up to 8ms only.
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He has beyond-eagle-eye super-human-eye that can watch 300 fps movie without missing a single frame whistling.gif
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post Sep 14 2011, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Sep 13 2011, 08:01 PM)
I understand what your point is but I always thought 1920X1080 was still "ok" for 27". 32" is definitely out lah biggrin.gif
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1080p is definitely ok for 27", it depends on how far you sitting away from the monitor to appreciate the pixel density.

Those who do not know the Ultrasharp series will definitely not appreciate the worthiness of Dell high-end IPS panel.
The 30" price is even scarier... sweat.gif still quite cheap compare to others even higher-end IPS in the market.
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Sep 14 2011, 01:24 PM)
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2) No dead pixel premium panel warranty for IPS panels
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Stuck pixel my dear friend, dead pixel require up to 6 to be able to claim, but if you have one stuck pixel and 5 dead pixel then you're eligible.
But BeastX does gives a tip before to claim as stuck pixel.
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post Sep 14 2011, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(timothyy @ Sep 14 2011, 04:18 PM)
Walau eh...

Now only I see the Dell U2710 price....  shocking.gif  shocking.gif

He! He! He! So much diff one.

When Dell promo price out... how much lower can it get?
Man.... after searching... seems like I am getting deeper into the bunk hole!
Dell's U2410 is LCD right? Not LED?
And those U2412M and ST2420L are also IPS LED monitors... but seems like reviews didn't give them good grades...
So...

Let's compare money to money can buy situation.

U2412M and ST2420L price seems more relevant to those Samsung or LGs or Viewsonic.

So... in this case... which monitor is better?
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What do you need from your planned monitor? Serious photo editing that require accurate colors? Gaming/Movie?
How much do you expect from your next purchase? Less than RM1,000? RM600?
Do you care about after-sales-service? You prefer someone come to your house or you carry-in to service center?

To makes thing clear:
1. LED and LCD is 2 different thing (did I just answered this 999 times already?)
2. U2412M is IPS while ST2420L is TN.
3. U2412M and ST2420L is definitely cheaper than competitive, WHY? Cause I say so... *ahem* cause it's Dell service that you pay for, free delivery to door step, free labour service (depends on package) and door-2-door (no parking fees, no fuel fees, no waste of energy to carry your monitor to service centre).

Please do scroll down a bit at the product page to have a look at the technical specs and understand them, it's easy to just highlight the words, copy and google them for more information.
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post Sep 15 2011, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(EvanKeat @ Sep 15 2011, 12:57 AM)
agree with u guys! this talk of LED and LCD, are all marketing n promo talk. One should understand the primary purpose of the monitor i.e. game, photo editing or movie than choose the best display for it own use.

For me will be photo editing, just hv to wait for dell to give special pricing on the 27'
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wow.. 27' (feet), that's huge, where can I find it at Dell? tongue.gif
Anyway, this LCD and LED talk will have no ends unless the marketing changes its tactic and educate those n**b sales person the right way, and will finally to the end-consumer, some of my friends still asking me (after few times and already bought one) about LED vs LCD... my gosh doh.gif
WLED backlight technology still far from perfect, which is why some IPS fan or enthusiast still stick with CCFL, and high-end IPS panel still using CCFL, but RGB-LED will probably take the lead, and with cost getting lower, we might see RGB-LED mainstream on high-end IPS panel in maybe 5 years to come? flex.gif
Until then we shall train our eyes to the WLED, or use colorimeter to correct it, less Blue/Green to compensate the blue-ish colour. High-end IPS will stay with its super-weight champion for a while. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Sep 17 2011, 02:36 PM)
To do that you should adjust your HDTV's screen color and contrast via its menu.
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Wonder colorimeter works on those LCD TV, I haven heard/saw any on this, mostly on monitors. notworthy.gif
Anyway, low-end IPS already become really affordable enough for everyone (remember those days 1200p TN cost a boom), which is why I still recommend low-end IPS to anyone looking for 1080p either for Movies or Casual FPS and normal gaming. Other than that, a 120Hz monitor much suitable for hardcore FPS gaming is definitely on the list for those who can afford.
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QUOTE(Confession @ Sep 17 2011, 05:42 PM)
you mean the finish of the product ? matte rather than glossy ? may i know why ?
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Matte actually produce much better viewing pleasure than glossy, glossy screen can reflect any ambient light and that's not good for dark environment movies and gaming in well lit room, you'll see your face right at the monitor just like mirror. And you'll notice there's always some light shines from sides (especially bottom side), that's side lit backlight and very obvious on dark screen, unfortunately most laptops come with glossy screen. yawn.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(narong @ Sep 20 2011, 01:26 AM)
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Added on September 20, 2011, 2:21 amhttp://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2039806/+0#entry45445870
New monitor from EVOV. 27" IPS monitor.

Nice?
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Very plain and huge bezel width.
I would expect the price is higher than Dell offering, but with WLED, wonder if it really can pulls out those specifications stated.
Need some reviews... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(renishi @ Sep 20 2011, 09:42 PM)
but..... the other preset kinda suck and i am tooooo lazy to set a custom, so for now i will stay cool 1st. Maybe later on i will search abt on hw to tweak with the rgb and etc
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Cold color should be at 9500K, 5500K is much warmer, correct me cause I been set on many monitors, even on the Adobe Gamma software 5500K definitely warmer than 6500K, 3000K is almost pure yellow already I think.
To adjust normal CCFL to match WLED cold color, tune brightness to max and tune down the contrast till almost matching level, that's how I set an old LCD monitor Philips 170S trying to match my laptop's WLED cold color, still can't match properly, might be due to worn out CCFL backlight.
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Had anyone notice the promo for U2412M?

http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/product...centPopular,rk:

RM100 discount, end at 29th of September, but when I applied it, it state that it ends at 6th of October.
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QUOTE(jagged @ Oct 4 2011, 03:21 AM)
i asked as a gamer & mostly movie watching since i got no time any more for it should i spend on a calibration device?
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No, no need to waste $ on calibration when you only games and movies, only those who using color sensitive application such as photoshop needs the accurate colors, and to get great colors you need H-IPS to get the most out of it.
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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Oct 12 2011, 07:29 PM)
Er. Not really focusing on specific models or manufacturers. More on technologies coming on production line. Why, got difference?

GPU currently 5770, but might ratchet up to 6950 (no CF).


Added on October 12, 2011, 7:41 pmOh! I should probably add that I'm going for a single monitor setup, so have no need for IPS (and not having many people crowding to see the monitor, really).
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IPS has its advantage and not just viewing angle, colour reproduction wise is way better than the limited TN, especially the grey area and to benefit from the viewing angle you'll see good colour balance through the screen even with a little tilt, especially when you move your head a little to the right or left, you'll see a little contrast/brightness shift from TN but not IPS, this is another advantage of the wide viewing angle, not just for "plenty of people" purpose.
Aside from that, Dell's unit provide full IPS premium functionality such as the "super" leg, of which you can turn your widescreen into portrait mode which enable you to read a whole page without scrolling and able to adjust the monitor height according to your comfort, and also the extra USB hub making life even much convenient, don't you think so? whistling.gif

Anyway, my explanation just for your information, which many of the Ultrasharp users would also seeing this advantage when they deciding on value monitors to choose from, and if you still finds it not up to your taste or you don't need all those advantage/functions then by all means there's plenty of monitor out there. Example would be LG, Samsung (which I won't really recommend unless no choices left), AOC (cheap, value), etc. All of them are pretty much the same, you just need to look at the size, price and the functionality, and decide.
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QUOTE(diadokmai @ Oct 13 2011, 12:09 PM)
guys?
LG E2250T led
support 1080p or not?
looking at the website
the resolution is 1600x900
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1080p refer to the height, and the resolution is 1920x1080, so the monitor that you looking at is not 1080p.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Oct 14 2011, 12:30 AM)
you really think it's a full IPS ? sad to say most IPS below 1k are 6bit + A-FRC which means it's not pure ips or consider e-ips.
Except you are getting a dell u2410

Btw , just asking , which ips panel brand with glossy screen ?
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Full IPS? Is there a half IPS? Either way it's IPS and it has its advantage over TN, it's matter of panel technology, such as those S-IPS and H-IPS. e-IPS are still IPS, just the material used is not as much or as good as those higher-end model.
Or should I re-phrase my "full IPS premium functionality"? It's referred to Dell's Ultrasharp series, not the IPS panel.

Apple is probably the only one with glossy screen. Apple Cinema is using IPS panel.
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QUOTE(RonalBaker @ Oct 18 2011, 04:51 PM)
guys i just got myself u2412m but now im looking for bigger monitor budget rm1k which monitor suitable for me? or can i just take lcd tv 32inch? is it worth? prefer gaming and movies for this monitor
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Anything bigger will definitely much expensive, therefore you target of the 32" might suits you since your budget is below RM1,000.
Anything bigger than your current specs is the U2711 which is RM2,299, but higher end H-IPS (or S-IPS??) and resolution of 2560x1440.
If you just need the size, go ahead with TVs which is dirt cheap nowadays, and make sure it's 1080p capable otherwise you will find yourself looking at really big dots. doh.gif
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QUOTE(RonalBaker @ Oct 18 2011, 08:32 PM)
actually i dont mind to topup up to rm1700 hmm that 27 sure might nice lcd but too expensive for me cannot afford it
i see which lcd tv u guys recommend? full 1080p means the full HD right? not HD ready is it right?
is there any different when using 32-42 lcd tv monitor as im using u2412m before..
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I don't know about LCD TV but you'll definitely need to search for "Full HD" (1080p) and not "HD Ready" (720p). But I think most of it nowadays should be at Full HD already but just in case you just need to search for the label or ask the salesperson.
32~42" LCD will just be bigger, and the dots will get bigger as well if you look at it closely, but if you compare with the U2412M which is 1200p, you'll definitely saw some reduce in height, that's very obvious lost of 120 pixels height but length 1920 pixels remain the same.
Full HD or HD Ready is 16:9 ratio while the U2412M is 16:10 ratio thus the differences there, and the U2711 is 16:9 ratio, while the highest end of Dell offering is 30" which is 16:10 ratio.

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