Wanna ask,if i have 100k RM and fly to aussie,can i survive there? With all cost of living and such. Lets say i will work at any fast food restaurant or such. Tq

100,000 MYR = 31,595 AUD
You can last about 2 years 3 months in Australia assuming no additional income


------------------- Usage is 1,149 AUD / month
Rental = 500 AUD / month

Food = 349 AUD / month
Breakfast = 3 AUD / day = 39 AUD / month
Lunch = 5 AUD / day = 155 AUD / month
Dinner = 5 AUD / day = 155 AUD / month

Transport = 100 AUD / month (Stay at home most of the time)

Entertainment = 100 AUD / month

Utility Bills = 100 AUD / month

thanks for this!

i think that will be shorten by half due to i will bring my family : wife + 2 kids ?

is it happen that employeer hire someone with tourist visa? i meant the normal shop like fast food, petrol station and such.

can advise the best route to stay there, working and such? applying PR while there might help is it?

thanks

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Added on November 1, 2012, 6:31 pmjust read that we can apply for WHV. nice.

This post has been edited by wuszhtag: Nov 1 2012, 06:31 PM

the amount definitely wont be correct if u r here with your family..
and renting is not as easy as it looks if you are planning to lease a house/apartment for a year.. unless you are crashing at your friends place or just backpackers or hotels..

do i read that you are coming on a tourist visa and plan to work ? i will advise you not to do that, do it legally plz..either WHV or apply PR..
i can tell you, even with PR, some have difficulty getting casual jobs and you are not even PR, so go figure urself, whats the probability you will be offered a job..

why do you wanna risk and work illegally in Oz with your family if u got rm100k in MY ? i know rm100k is not a lot, but i will not bring my family to a foreign land and work illegally and moreover just a casual job which not gonna earn much..if you want to live permanently in Oz, consult an agent (which is usually free for initial consultation) on your options..

This post has been edited by annielee: Nov 1 2012, 08:06 PM

Dude, working on a tourist visa is a very serious offence.
You and your whole family will get jailled 1) for overstaying your visa 2) cos you're working illegally.
Are you sure you want your wife and kids to have a criminal record?
You will spoil their future!
With a criminal record, your kids cannot find any job in any country when they grow up, even if you come back to Malaysia
Don't gamble on your and your family's future! It's a serious crime to overstay your visa and work illegally, just like robbing/stealing!
And if I'm not mistaken for WHV, you cannot bring your children and you must be below the age of 30. So you already breach their rules. How to get WHV lar?

One more thing is that I cannot believe you (with RM 100k) would stoop so low as to become a blue collar job worker (no offense to them) in a foreign country.
I mean, if you have RM 100k, you should be holding down a decent (but not necessarily well paying) job in Malaysia.
Why?
Besides, Australia today is no longer the Australia of previous years.
The mining boom is slowing rapidly (due to China's slowdown in resource consumption) and the other sectors, well let's just say they are no different that wht's happening is Europe and USA currently. Lots of people jobless and lots more underemployed.

Asia is the future my friend! Not necessarily Malaysia but hink China, HK, Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia.
These are the growth corridors for the next century. This is where the action is.
You don't want to go to Australia and regret!

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 1 2012, 10:30 PM

I have no idea whether it's possible that the employer would want to hire someone with tourist visa, but be prepare for low salary and you have 3 mouth to feed.
You have a big responsibility and the budget computation depends on your family needs too. I've no idea how old is your kids, but you would need to spend more if ya kids is above 6 years old as to attend nursery or primary school.

It's best for you do a research in applying PR to Aus as to get better opportunity compare to tourist visa. Unless you intend to bring ya family for a long vacation at Aus.

Nowadays, I see more friends whom has migrated to oversea and all are enjoying their life over there and earning stronger currency $$$.
Some with reason of stronger currency, better education for children, better pay, etc.

Maybe you can share with us the reason you want to migrate to Aus? Is it better education for your children?
When friends share their comparison on children education, I'm kinda
Imagine children at age 13 years old know how to use MS PowerPoint to do presentation

Not suggest to go with your whole family since u plan to work with tourist visa. If with tourist visa how does your children's education at there? Means your whole family just go there as tourist. Your kids cant have a proper education? Not worth it. Better stay here and go there with a right channel.?

This post has been edited by Tavia88: Nov 2 2012, 03:00 AM

May I know why are you so keen in moving to Aus? Especially since you can save up to Rm100k, ur life doesn't seem that bad. But if you come here without proper job, no PR, bringing your family here, wouldn't it be too risky?

I think is best you apply for PR in Msia first!

i have applied for a PR through a migration agent. the process takes up to one year. if all goes well by end of 2013 I should be able to get a PR or a provisional visa to work. Any tips or pointers for me to navigate after this period? like job search etc? which website to look for jobs?

FYI i am a chemist working full time now in the automotive coating industry. thanks in advance.

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Added on November 4, 2012, 2:15 pmnot worth doing that. the risk is unaccounted for. applying for a PR or a valid visa only cost you RM 25k (abit high) + 1 year of your time. but if you look around, can find cheaper than that. i am also applying through a migration agent while working here in Malaysia.

if you have 100k RM not wise to do that. Australia border checks dont allow u to bring in more than 10k in AUD. bank draft is fine.



This post has been edited by swissprecision: Nov 4 2012, 02:15 PM

check with a migration agent 1st b4 u do anything. migration agents in KL provides FREE assessment of your qualification b4 submitting your application.

working on a tourist visa is very risky, even when u r in outskirt doing farming etc. even when u say that it's recommended by so and so, it still sound pretty shady to me. there are ppl who get cheated & left stranded in the middle of nowhere - worst if that "nowhere" is in the outback!

i've been there and back, and RM100k is a lot, much more that what i brought, for 2adults & 1kid. depending on which state u r planning to go, u can still plan to make your money last longer. u may not have a full time job, so casual jobs may be your answer. my family sometimes survived on distributing catalgues and newspapers. it's not as easy as it sounds, and u don't really earn that much. we can barely cover rent. electrical bills & water bills that comes every 3mths will send shock waves into our bank accounts. for the whole 18 mths we were there, all our food money came from our savings we brought from RM. not to mentioned about other things like health insurance, daycare etc

hiring for australians even at fast food joints and supermarkets are still difficult to get in. even when u have a valid visa they'll tell u things like u don't have local experience, or relevant experience, or they'll interview u and simply say u r not suitable. the reason behind those is that they prefer to hire ppl that they know, friend of friends or something like that. it's NOT racist (from where i was, although i understand that certain parts of aust racism is still very much alive). but most australians have rised above that. australians generally are very kind to migrant, especially if they know u r well behaved civilised ppl.

but when come to hiring, it's mostly about who u know rather than what u know. their reason - it's easy to hire but not fire. and problematic staffs are huge problems in aust. one japan car manufactuer ceo once said thier daily absentesim rate is 30%... i.e. everyday, every 10 employees you paid, only 7 turn up for work.. so many car manufacturers had shut their oz factories in recent years due to high cost

Thanks for sharing.

Mind elaborate more,what kind of visa are you holding there and what makes you come back to Msia? It seems pretty risky especially you are bringing your whole family there.

haha, my visa group is a pretty "famous" one - 475
not to be confused with 457 which is employer sponsored
475 - is a independent provisional skilled visa
meaning that they give u a visa because u have they skilled required by certain states, which are categorised as "regional". visa lasts for 3 yrs, during which no financial assistance (something like american's social securities, this is known as centrelink), for the whole period.

why i came back? - i simply ran out of money.
but it was a great experience, i really enjoy living there. ppl are very warm, fresh food are great. at least i wasn't eating cheap china carrots and cabbages.

why didn't i fight to stay on? - unlike many who went, getting an australian citizenship was never in my agenda.

why did i went in the first place? - i was a burnt out professional going thru a quarter life crisis. migrating to australia for 18mths was like a gap year i never had. i gave me time to think about what i want in life, instead of going-with-the-flow like everyone else i.e. graduate, get a job, get a car, get a house, get married, have kids, have more kids, retire, look after grand kids and then wait for God to come collect me hahaha

but now i'm back i realised what passion i have in life and i may soon embark on a new and different career path.

being among the australians had also taught me that age is no barrier many things, like starting a new career or dating at 60yo! my neighbour was a 70yo-ish widow with a 70 bf who visits her everyday, and they look soooooo cute! once i even saw an old man with a tongkat, holding a small bunch of flower and a bag (literally d classic brown bag) of chocolates, and was walking towards the beach it was just sweet. i'm going to live life the best i can and never wait around, wasting my life away....

how about u?

I assume you were staying in Glenelg, Adelaide judging from your id? Ever been to Highway Pizza

I am on 457, came here not long ago. Is a new life I can say. Not really sure what I want yet. There are pros and cons. Used to life in Msia, food in Msia, near to families. Here, everything need to rely on myself.

My contribution to this topic:

You must have the ability to unlearn and relearn.

It is not that Australians are racist or discriminating, but at any employers' point of view, of course they want the hiring process to be as easy as possible. They hope to hire someone who understand their working culture, who can fit in, no?

My advice is:

If you are single, you have more options. Just apply for a valid visa before you come. Yes it will take one year or more to process your application. This is Australia. Accept it.

If you are married with kids. The visa application gets complicated and depends on what you want. Do you want to migrate? Migrating to Australia is not easy.

To look for a job in Australia, like what other forum members have already mentioned, unless your occupation is very very specific and special and the skills is transferable, then you might be able to first secure a job before you go over.

Otherwise you have to first find accommodation, get to know your surroundings and Australian culture, then apply for jobs.

These are just my personal opinion. I always advice my fellow Malaysians when they are applying for jobs is please be like an Australian! (when in Rome, do as the Romans do)
I am not asking you to be pretentious or lose your identity. Just think from the employers' point of view!

I always get teased by Malaysians in Melbourne for having an Australian accent when I answer the phone or when ordering food. But deep down I am still very Malaysian and I "go back to normal" when I hang out with Malaysians. Well, learning their culture and language is part of the trade and your skill set!

I have evolved to look and act like ABC (Australian Born Chinese). My employers all thought I am citizen until I revealed that I am a foreigner. And tourist thinks I'm local and asks me for directions. I'm not trying to say I am "oh so proud" of it. Please don't misunderstand. I say this is blending in.

I am lucky to have worked directly with business owners. They tell me what goes through their minds when it comes to their hiring decisions.

In Malaysia, it is a norm to put your biodata in resume. (When I apply for jobs in Singapore, I have been requested for these information. They even want my photo). Australians in general don't do that. When they want to know, they will ask. When I apply for jobs I never reveal my residency status. It will only be your disadvantage. (I am currently on 485 graduate skilled). However, always be honest. Pretty fundamental stuff.

Australian employers always look for experience. If you don't have the experience or skill set that they need, I suggest you offer to work for free as starters to gain some experience. However not every company will allow that. So don't be disappointed when you get rejected. Or take up short course in Australia. Funny but it works. Complete a certificate in Financial Services or whatever that is related. Most Malaysians will think "I already learnt this in uni/ I already so high position/ so many years of experience". Well.....

Another tip is: Australian superiors don't like to hire trainees that are over qualified or more qualified than them. (BIG TIP!)
Most Asian culture will want to impress with qualifications. But not in Australia.

If the job advertisement says: A bachelors degree in XXX
List down your education up to that level. Don't put your masters degree in your resume.

If the job advertisement says: At least a bachelors degree. Masters degree an advantage.
Then only you put your masters degree in your resume.

If the job advertisement did not specify any requirements in terms of education qualification. Guess what? A degree holder will be considered as over qualified. They will think that they cannot afford to hire you. And they also presume you won't find that job challenging and you will not stay for long.

That is because Australia has strict wage laws to prevent salary exploitation in the workforce.

So imagine if you want to work in McD, you have to use a very different approach. Tell them you are a student (or your story of I am new to this country) and they are happy to CONSIDER you. If you have a degree and you want to work in counter service, the manager will be thinking "you have a degree mate what are you doing here?". But working in McD for the time being is a start, until you manage to secure a job that is your specialisation. And you need income to pay rent.


Like I have said, one must have the ability to unlearn and relearn. Especially applies to Malaysians trying to look for work in Australia. When you come to this country, it is starting a new life. Same goes to your work life. You will have to go back to fresh grad level. Alter your expectations and you will be fine There is no short cut to a sweet life. I am very sure a lot of Malaysians are very motivated to take the leap of faith because of all the success stories that they heard but there is just no short cut. From the visa application, to accumulate savings, to family and friends attachments (sacrifices to made!)... Long journey. But I believe when there's a will, there's a way.

So I wish all of you all the best in life!

(gosh I still have so much to share)

hey girl (sorry i don't quite know how to tag your post),

much of what u said is very true
we need to unlearn and relearn and yes, it's easier, much more flexible if you are single or no kids.
the thing about d visa application was i started in early 2007 and didn't get till 2010. i went from being single to being a mum. in fact when i 1st got my visa, we were mulling over whether or not we still want to give it a shot. we did because we realised that we may not have the chance to try again in 10 yrs time.

the learning process is not an issue to most of us. i'm not sure how much u r aware about the hiring scene in melbourne and adelaide. adelaide is a very "closed door" market. we've been thru all sorts of stories from ads being place merely to make employer look like they are an "equal opportunity" employer, when in fact, another family member is about to go on board. there's also a friend whose sister had been helping out in her husband's business now looking for a job, most employer turn her down citing that she doesn't have "any work experience" or that she "don't have skills that are transferable". on the other hand, my husband met an melbournian who migrated to adelaide, she had to lie saying that she was in fact an adelaidean, migrated to melbourne and now back in adelaide, just to get a job. now, these are not ASIANS, all these scenarios happened to australians themselves, as in "white" (not racist, just a description). in many cases, potential employees are willing to learn, reskill, take courses etc. but at the end of the day, what are the chances?

another thing about putting our bios on resume, i'm thinking that it actually helps rather than otherwise. there had been some talk going on that our resumes are weed out because of how "chinese" our name sounds. apparently the general impression is chinese (as in nationality, not decendant), hardly speaks any english, buys their way into a uni degree, and hire professional to do their resumes. when employers finally calls them up for an interview, they were appauled to find that these ppl can't even communicate. as a result, they would set aside any chinese sounding name candidate, regardless of nationality (since it's not obvious). some m'sians who had been in aust for many years said that employers had just warm up to hiring m'sia because of the good reputation m'sians had had in aust over the years.

oh, btw, i found a book in the library that is really helpful, called australian resumes for dummies. dymocks sells it for about $30ish.

yes, i used to live in glenelg, and yes, i missed that place.
but then again, i only live once, and there's such a big world out there... maybe next time it'll be Prince Edward's Island?

Warmed up to hiring Malaysians? I think is a generalisation and not quite true. While I met many very ambitious and very good malaysians working in australia (and very proud australian bosses too - to have such good employees) I also came across malaysians who are absolute rubbish and have very bad disiplinary record. You know, the kind that maxes out their MC and just don't turn up for work with no reason. Those drive the emplyers mad.

well, mercury, what can i say? there's bound to be a bad apple or 2

anyway, most of my experiences are "localised" to adelaide. i get the impression that the "world" in melbourne, sydney, brisbane or even perth is very different.

i stand corrected.

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Added on November 7, 2012, 12:19 ami just thought of something else that might be useful.
many adelaideans are businessmen, either own set up or buying into a franchise. while most franchise are expensive i've seen coffee van / mobile cafe, going for about $25k including van and equipment. but a friend was saying that angmoh won't buy angmoh's style coffee from an ah pek hahaha
cleaning services could also be about that price, but with a much much smaller clientele

This post has been edited by glenelg: Nov 7 2012, 12:19 AM

Just one comment on girl-next-door's post. About your residential status, you MUST include that in your resume. Her situation might be different because she applied as a graduate (Am I right?).

But for experienced people, you can't hide it when you include your past experience and you include a 'Sdn Bhd' or 'Pte Ltd' in your resume. The first thing I ask when I see foreigners resume is the residential status, and I only do that because I do not have enough good resume to process. If there are competition, I would imagine the employer wouldn't bother to call you up.


Oh maybe a second comment. Accent is not that important for Sydney and probably Melbourne too. There are too many foreigners here, they are used to it and the HR is probably not a local either.

And P/S British are considered the cheaper version of local Australian. If you have to compete with them and asking for a local pay, you will definitely loss out.

This is a 50-50 situation.
If you put it in, local employers will know that you're a migrant and compared to a local aussie, guess who's resume they'll look at first.
It doesn't matter anyway. Most job application forms require you to state your eligibility to work in australia (whether pr/citizen). and during interview, they require you to produce your id documents.

Some comments on the girl's next door post:

1. It does not make you un-Malaysian if you can speak with a genuine Aussie accent. Trust me, you are much better than some people in Msia that speak fake aussie/brit accent and think they are really great. I lived in the uk for a while and have managed to develop a good Brit Accent. Doesn't make me Un-Malaysian. It shows that you can adapt quickly in a foreign environment.

2. Language is a useful ability for us Malaysians. Most aussies (read most, not all) have only one language. Malaysians can speak and write to up to 4. This is a plus point that employers may be looking for.

3.When you arrive in a foreign land, you must always remember that you start from square one. Therefore you gotta work your way up. Treat it as a new game in a game called life.

4.Taking courses is a good idea. Vocational ones especially if it's relevant to your field. However I don't think furthering education studies eg masters is a good idea if you don't back it up with sufficient working experience.

5. Also I'd like to add as the girl next door didn't really cover it that much. Networking is very important in securing a job in Aus. Approx 70% of jobs are not advertised and considered to be in the hidden job market. Who you know is quite important as well. Therefore it's crucial that one knows how to market oneself and establish good social connections. This can be done in several ways.

i. Linkedin
ii. Forums
iii. Volunteer Work
iv. Meeting people through social groups such as through meetup.com
v. Interests & Hobbies as well as Church Groups/ Buddhist Groups etc...


Also, it's good that if you can join in programme that helps skilled migrants to get a job. In Melbourne, Victoria there's a programme called AMES Skilled Professional Migrant Programme where PR's can join and get professional advice on how to write a cover letter/resume, present themselves at interviews and even enroll into a mentor programme. PR's also get a discount . More details Here Note: I'm not advertising for this programme, I've been through it and found it useful.

Hope this post may be useful to someone.