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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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post Dec 13 2011, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(kinccc @ Dec 12 2011, 10:41 PM)
Now start seeing more European come to work in Malaysia, economy must real bad over there.
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I have couple of European buddies who are happy to be here, even taking all their savings in Euro to our local banks due to uncertainty on Euro. So yeah, they are flocking to Asia now.
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post Nov 6 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(glenelg @ Nov 5 2012, 12:07 AM)
haha, my visa group is a pretty "famous" one - 475
not to be confused with 457 which is employer sponsored
475 - is a independent provisional skilled visa
meaning that they give u a visa because u have they skilled required by certain states, which are categorised as "regional". visa lasts for 3 yrs, during which no financial assistance (something like american's social securities, this is known as centrelink), for the whole period.

why i came back? - i simply ran out of money.
but it was a great experience, i really enjoy living there. ppl are very warm, fresh food are great. at least i wasn't eating cheap china carrots and cabbages.

why didn't i fight to stay on? - unlike many who went, getting an australian citizenship was never in my agenda.

why did i went in the first place? - i was a burnt out professional going thru a quarter life crisis. migrating to australia for 18mths was like a gap year i never had. i gave me time to think about what i want in life, instead of going-with-the-flow like everyone else i.e. graduate, get a job, get a car, get a house, get married, have kids, have more kids, retire, look after grand kids and then wait for God to come collect me biggrin.gif hahaha

but now i'm back i realised what passion i have in life and i may soon embark on a new and different career path.

being among the australians had also taught me that age is no barrier many things, like starting a new career or dating at 60yo! my neighbour was a 70yo-ish widow with a 70 bf who visits her everyday, and they look soooooo cute! once i even saw an old man with a tongkat, holding a small bunch of flower and a bag (literally d classic brown bag) of chocolates, and was walking towards the beach smile.gif it was just sweet. i'm going to live life the best i can and never wait around, wasting my life away....

how about u? wink.gif
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I assume you were staying in Glenelg, Adelaide judging from your id? Ever been to Highway Pizza tongue.gif
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post Nov 29 2012, 12:31 PM

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Secure job first before moving. And for high earners in M'sia, your lifestyle will change even you secure 150k per annum job. Don't expect maid, grass cutter, plumber etc and learn how to do household activities yourself since no more cheap foreigners to depend upon. And when negotiating contract, make sure you check whether superannuation contribution is included or excluded in your package. At the end, you want to know how much disposable income you have after superannuation and income tax deduction.
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post Feb 7 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 7 2013, 03:13 PM)
Of cuz if I am an Afgan refugee, I would see Oz as a better viable option.

Yes I know there's a lot of complain about Malaysia. But Malaysia is not half as bad compared to Australia.

I think migrating to Australia is good when:
1) You just graduated from an Ozzie Uni
2) You are in your early 20s and just starting to work
3) You want to do business there like construct properties

I think migrating to Australia is not good when:
1) You are already in senior position, why? Because the ozzy employer give you junior job
2) You are in your early 30s, no point to go there to work as junior with people younger than you. Property not cheap, you gotta start all over again
3) You got no Ozzy degree. Why? Ozzy employers don't trust other universities not even UK unless you are an Ivy league graduate or graduated from Oxford. I ask you if you are employer would you think the graduate is good or not, if he came from University of Lagos? Bottom line is, Australia prefers Australian graduates. That is the universal truth.
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Agree with these observations. Was studying there 15 years back. Here two observations from my uni mates:

A friend of mine, a second generation PR secured his better job here. His plan was to move back to Oz after gaining enough experiences. It's been 10 years now and he's still here. The reason he's still here, well, he's in higher position now and has better career development according to him. But once a while, he'll be visiting his parents in Oz.

Another one, get his PR immediately after finishing his degree. Secured his job as Technician (he has electrical/electronic engineering degree by the way) and plan to climb the rank with being technician as step stone. Until now, he's stucked with the same position. He seems happy though.

Just my observations ...
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post Feb 8 2013, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 7 2013, 05:36 PM)
The advantage of working in Australia is that you can get any low position, yet manage to earn a good pay. Correct me if I am wrong, i get the impression that doctors, accountants, lawyers, ITs, engineers all get the same pay over there.
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Yeps, that's why even as technician, he seems happy. The gap between high and low rank is not too wide. There is saying in Oz, the higher you earn, the higher you fund the lazies. How high is the highest? 150K is a norm for top top position, more than that is rare. As a technician with years of experiences, perhaps he's getting 60K - 80K which would lead quite comfortable life I guess (living in the suburb of melbourne with no car)

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Your friend whose parents are PR, may have already lost his PR because 1) he is above 18 2) he has past his 5 year limit. Unless his parents are citizens. In order to be citizens, his parents has to drop the msian citizenship or hush hush keep dwi-citizenship without informing either governments.

Maybe thats why he didn't go back to Oz.
Not sure about his PR status. But he did mention if he's going back to Oz, the chances to secure the same position is low.


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post Feb 8 2013, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Feb 8 2013, 11:00 AM)
A$ 60-80k is gross pay. Once you take out the taxes 20-30%, super annuation and medicare or private insurance, you will find yr take home pay is only a$36-48k p.a or a$3~4k p.m. after paying off yr housing mortgage (you cannot use yr super to pay for), car mortgage, gas, parking, etc, you will not be left with much. No way you can go out to eat every weekend, no overseas holidays, no fancy branded stuff,etc. you cannot afford it.
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Correct, living a little bit of luxury (dine out every weekend, holiday, branded stuffs) definitely out of reach.
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post Feb 8 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Feb 8 2013, 11:25 AM)
Ya and some people deem that as a better life. And i'm like are you sure? This esp goes to those who are mid level or senior mgr in malaysia earning a comfortable >rm10k and threw it all away to go to aus to start over again.
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Perhaps they see Aussie from their holiday's perspective rather than actual living experiences. I must say, a lot of my friends coming back in awe with Sydney and Melb especially from their vacation. But living there is different animal. Suddenly, used to be top earner here must do all the household stuffs themselves. I always say this, goods could be much cheaper there on one to one comparison but boy, services are too expensive. That's why dining out is luxury. Getting car is cheap but maintenance is different story. I used to remember one of my uni mate buying mistsubishi sigma for 600 dollar. When the car broke down, rather than repairing, he just left the car on the parking lot (I'm not sure he got fined for that)
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post Feb 8 2013, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 8 2013, 12:29 PM)
What does he expect when he buying $600?

Even RM10k car in Malaysia will create the same trouble as well.

Seriously, earning in Australia basically is the same in Malaysia. RM to RM and dollar to dollar. The thing I like to earn in Australia because of the strong currency. Just give me $10k(might enough for 2 person) and I can happily take 1 month leave and head to US for holiday.
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haha..as a student, that much we could afford..but my point is, services such as mechanic with high man hour charges no matter what cars would hurt your pocket. In M'sia we still have options to find cheaper mechanic around.

As Alvin said previously which I agree, if you are young, Oz fresh grad..basically nothing to lose, go ahead and migrate as the experiences gained would be worthwhile. And you said it too, you can travel basically anywhere with income earned due to strong currency. But mostly agree if you earn 5 figures here, it's a risky move.
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post Feb 16 2013, 10:23 AM

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Wow, lots of back and forth arguments. No worries guys, there are always two sides of story and there is no right or wrong. The purpose is to share these with others. Personally, living in Australia has been one of the best experiences in my life. In fact, from time to time, I have my holiday there with my family. People think what's wrong with us going to the same place for holiday again and again but I just want to relive the experiences especially with my kids. I got the offer previous year from Accenture but total compensation can't match what I'm earning right here on one to one basis, in fact much much lower. Realistically, while I've great time living there a while back, currently I live much better over here. So as some forumers pointed out, if you are already earning 5 figures salary, attain high position most probably not a good idea to migrate as you can't achieve the same standard of living (not general population but individually). For me, I can relive the experiences once a year with short holiday and that's good enough for me smile.gif.
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post Jul 29 2013, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Jul 28 2013, 10:47 PM)
True true. To be honest, I hate the dominance of SAP. Because of this stupid software, a lot of people got to learn how to use it, and its application is rubbish, it complicates a lot of things. A lot of IT people just don't understand how to apply this rubbish software.

However, since its already out there, you can't beat them, join them.

I don't want to go there to work as a cleaner, if it is so, I mind as well be in Malaysia. So I was thnking of taking up a new vocation. Since they don't consider my msian work experience, I mind as well start my career from base 1. What better way to start than to take up SAP courses. I don't think Master degrees help that much, they are too expensive anyway and too long to take up.
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Hold on there mate. They dominate because they are that good. Why do you think big companies believe in their product if it's rubbish? There must be a reason. It's necessary evil scenario. From user point of view, SAP is too complicated (and the GUI looks hideous I must admit thus not helping SAP reputation). But from top management point of view, it's wonderful to have all the information at your fingertips to make the decision. So it's not stupid or rubbish. If a lot of IT people do not understand SAP, then they are not meant to be SAP consultant.

And the demand looks ok for SAP in land down under. I have couple of friends (with years of experiences by the way) migrated with job secured before migrating recently. But they were some coming back after realizing the salary stops pretty much at 150k/annum for SAP. SAP is growing in Asia, so the demand is way better here hence the salary.

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