I think 2-4 example of Asians not getting a job hardly qualifies as racism. You have got a job at the moment and a good one I assume so that is very good. You said you are both not PR yet you have a job so I think that is pretty good as its not easy to land a job here as PR is critical. And being in Adelaide you are even luckier as there is hardly any work boom in Adelaide. So considering your situation based on what you have mentioned, I think you are not doing too bad. I assume you two are currently on work visas? Any chance of applying for PR while you are in the country?

My first job in Australia was due to being transferred from Singapore. It's not that I got a job directly in Australia. So it is different. As I mentioned earlier, my 2nd job was luck and coincidental. My wife is only working in the factory and it's very tiring. You wont understand until you try applying for jobs in Australia yourself and then realised how hard it is.

I remember reading somewhere that a top Asian brain surgeon in Australia gave a speech during Australia day. Even he mentioned during the speech that racism still exists in Australia. You can try to google it.

Yes, I am on work visa and my wife is sponsored under the same visa. I am planning to apply for PR. Already got my IELTS and still waiting for the results of the skills assessment. Not very confident though.

Anyway even though I complained a lot. I will still choose to live in Aussie rather than Malaysia.

By the way I am currently working in Australia. In my 5th year of work now in construction. I feel bad for your wife it must be hard doing factory work. Yes I remember the Oz day speech you were referring to from Mr Teo. I am not saying there is no racism in Aust. I am just wondering if that is the case in the situations you have mentioned. Glad to know you have started the PR process. Skills assessment....why are you not confident...is your qualifications not suitable or something?

i find it quite funny when u said if they found out that u r 35 they wont hire you...
as that is consider age discrimination..and u should know that union is very strong in Oz..
in my CV, i didnt put age or marital status..and they r not supposed to ask..coz it will be deem as discrimination..

i guess it depends on which field u r in..im in IT and im employed in an Oz company which have quite a lot of asian also...
im not saying no discrimination, they are definitely discrimination everywhere...as long as you are good at your work or skills, then u wont be hard getting a job, but need time lor.. as 1st job will be the hardest..

This is a good thing. In Singapore it is damn common for employers to ask. Bloody discriminatory. They ask religion also. That's why so many PMET in SG is suffering. Idiotic HR people.

i find it quite funny when u said if they found out that u r 35 they wont hire you...
as that is consider age discrimination..and u should know that union is very strong in Oz..
in my CV, i didnt put age or marital status..and they r not supposed to ask..coz it will be deem as discrimination..

Even if they discriminate against you base on race or age, they are not going to tell you or anyone else that they did not hire you becuase of your age/race, right?

They are simply gonna tell you "we have found better candidates that more appropriately matches our job scope" or something along those lines. They are not stupid to discriminate against you in front of you and risk having a lawsuit, right? So how to sue?

Discrimination can take many forms and not necessary must be direct.

Yeah but the thing is they are not supposed to ask you discriminatory questions in the first place

It is how it is.
Like how they ask you what's your last drawn salary so that they can either underpay you or tell you your pay is too high.
It's also another form of discrimination. It happens everywhere.

well you dont have to answer if you dont feel comfy doing so. salary wise you can always lie. you will encounter bad hats here and there but they won't be in the majority.

That's not the same. If a topic e.g. race or gender orientation is considered discriminative, they can't even ask nor talk about it, e.g. you wouldn't see this in the job application forms.

Well, that depends on whether they need you or you need them more. If you need a job more than they need you, do you have a choice?
But if they need you more then you need them, then you can tell them to piss-off and pay you a huge salary. No problem. But judging by the economic and job prospect for most sector in Aus, i think they got more candidate than jobs around.

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Added on April 18, 2012, 10:05 pmDude, they don't have to ask specifically.
They just interview you and when they see you are not white or whatever within their criteria, you just don't hear from them. That's all.
It's the same everywhere including myself when i hire. I don't tell them you don't get the job becuase you are XXXX. I just interview them and when i find out they are XXX i just don't call them back. You can sue all you want but you got nothing.

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Apr 18 2012, 10:05 PM

Yup the employer will discriminate discretely in this case. No biggie here, just move on to the next prospective employer and take it from there.

Oz is no different from Canada. You need local experience first. Your Malaysian qualification and work experience come to nought. Unfortunately in a booming economy job hopping is common.Most companies will assume employees will jump ship. Just like this young chap at my place of work. After nearly 1.5 years of training as a maintenance worker, he handed in his resignation yesterday morning. Why?? You guess it. He found another job(hint hint...better paying one) Also the company has a few low skill temporary foreign workers from Phillipines who have worked for 4 years. You think the company dare to 'sponsor' them for PR????
Once they get their papers they can leave anytime. Stupid??? i don't think so

Typical Malaysian or is it Asian mentality who think it is beneath then to report to younger and less qualify people.??? Let me tell you this story. Last year this Malaysian company.....based near Shah Alam or Klang bought manufracturing rights from the company I am with. Sent 2 engineers over to see how stuffs were make(for the oil industry) . Office sent them down to the shop to buddy up with some Vietnamese workers. The Viets were ex refugees(boat people during the 80's), had vietnamese high school education only.Upom arrival in Canada, they took ESL class and worked full time. No uni or college education. Had the feeling the 2 Malaysian enginners were some what indignant as they had to talk to non college nor uni workers Btw... company engineers hardly go down to the shop floor. The only time they go to the shop floor is when those Viet workers(they has the most experience) start making noise because the numbers do not add up(for new custom built products)

OZ like Canada wants skill immigrants. Unfortunately no local experience tough luck

that is true.
you don need to put all of your personal details in the CV(like what every malaysian like to do).
name,address,email and mobile are sufficient in cv. but is best to include your residency status if you are PR holder.

employers now are smart enough that they will check your detail from social website

Not sure if Australia have something like this being enforced?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KlpEKTpAIM

Yup that's very correct. So please don't post nonsense on yr social website especially with regards to your current/ex employer/boss. It will be career suicide. Nobody want's to hire someone who actively bad mouths their current/ex employer/boss!

I personally think racist happens everywhere, even Singaporean look down on Malaysian. I have a question to ask regarding PR, is it easier to apply for PR if you have job sponsorship by AU company? Will it be as easy as getting PR in SG after working for 1 or 2 years in AU, and then you can apply for AU PR?

I might potentially get a job in AU, and need to start looking for accomodation. Company location is in Melbourne. Is anyone here looking for housemate?

it all depends on your points..doesnt means u r spore PR, u will get priority..
for eg, u can b sponsored by oz company, but if ur points isnt enough, it wont help also..

again, read more n see wat options u have..


This post has been edited by annielee: Apr 19 2012, 05:01 PM

I find it funny that some people think they somehow "deserve" to be hired, as if the employer in Australia has any obligation to hire them, and when that didn't happen, it must be their race that prevents them from getting the job.

To be honest, in a competitive environment, only those who are highly skilled deserve to be employed, and there are many skilled workers in Australia (which is why PR is usually given only to those skills in demand), not to mention that you are also competing with the locals, who have the advantage over you in that without a PR means you can't work for more than two years in the country.

I 2nd that. I think the race card is overplayed. I've been working a total of 9 months now on 2 different projects and it's always on the merit of your capability not on race or whatsoever. (in the SAP field) . It's all about delivering when it matters.

My 457 visa is valid for 4 years..but usually employers sponsor your PR after 2 years. ( Mine is a year, but of course, it varies from company to company)