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prophetjul
post Apr 13 2012, 09:19 AM

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What are the jobs in demand presently in Australia?

i was told that Chemical engineers are on low demand.


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post Apr 14 2012, 05:45 PM

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I would like to apply online position of manager in hotels. Do u guys think its possible? 8 years experience in hotels. No cert. my current job is traveling south east asia to advise on food and beverage industry. Give training as well. Hows the pay like?
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post Apr 14 2012, 05:55 PM

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erm..you mean applying without PR ?
your chances will be very low...and you are not even in Aus..its even lower..

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I would like to apply online position of manager in hotels. Do u guys think its possible? 8 years experience in hotels. No cert. my current job is traveling south east asia to advise on food and beverage industry. Give training as well. Hows the pay like?
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post Apr 14 2012, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Apr 14 2012, 05:55 PM)
erm..you mean applying without PR ?
your chances will be very low...and you are not even in Aus..its even lower..
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Anyway can help? Can the company give me the visa to work there? Is it possible? I do know a lot of directors in malaysia that can recommend me to aus. For example hotels like shangrila, westin, sofitel....
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post Apr 14 2012, 06:27 PM

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since you know a lot of directors, you can ask for transfer to Oz branch hotel..
usually sponsored work visa is for those skills that is in demand there..
my advise to you is to research and read Oz migration forums to see what is the option available for you..

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Anyway can help? Can the company give me the visa to work there? Is it possible? I do know a lot of directors in malaysia that can recommend me to aus. For example hotels like shangrila, westin, sofitel....
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post Apr 14 2012, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 13 2012, 11:19 AM)
What are the jobs in demand presently in Australia?

i was told that Chemical engineers are on low demand.
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this website could give u an idea

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1.pdf
prophetjul
post Apr 15 2012, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Apr 14 2012, 08:14 PM)
Unfortunately it does not tell a lot of the actual demand
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post Apr 15 2012, 09:35 AM

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usually those listed in sol, means the skills shortage and in demand..
wat i can say is, its a big step moving to oz to work, so make sure you do some homework first..

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 15 2012, 09:29 AM)
Unfortunately it does not tell a lot of the actual demand
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post Apr 15 2012, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Apr 15 2012, 09:35 AM)
usually those listed in sol, means the skills shortage and in demand..
wat i can say is, its a big step moving to oz to work, so make sure you do some homework first..
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Nah....i see chemical engineer there BUT was told by many that this profession is not in demand et al.
My friend's son with 1st class hons chem eng could not get a job after 6 months.
Whereas civil engrs are in demand.
Its not for me......just surveying for future for kiddos.
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post Apr 15 2012, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 15 2012, 09:38 AM)
Nah....i see chemical engineer there BUT was told by many that this profession is not in demand et al.
My friend's son with 1st class hons chem eng could not get a job after 6 months.
Whereas civil engrs are in demand.
Its not for me......just surveying for future for kiddos.
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Even the job is listed in the demand list skill, it does not mean that you are able to get a job easily in Oz. Their hiring process is very much different from Malaysia. They paid very detailed attention your experience and always preferred with local experience. So landing the first job is always the toughest.

If it is for your kiddos, you can always send them here to study and apply for PR and eventually get a job. That is the easier path.
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post Apr 15 2012, 10:20 AM

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agree..1st job is always the toughest...thats y dun expect much from 1st job..but the salary is still alright..
after 1st job with some local experience, u can demand more on ur subsequent job..

QUOTE(naleh33 @ Apr 15 2012, 10:11 AM)
Even the job is listed in the demand list skill, it does not mean that you are able to get a job easily in Oz. Their hiring process is very much different from Malaysia. They paid very detailed attention your experience and always preferred with local experience. So landing the first job is always the toughest.

If it is for your kiddos, you can always send them here to study and apply for PR and eventually get a job. That is the easier path.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 15 2012, 11:38 AM)
Nah....i see chemical engineer there BUT was told by many that this profession is not in demand et al.
My friend's son with 1st class hons chem eng could not get a job after 6 months.
Whereas civil engrs are in demand.
Its not for me......just surveying for future for kiddos.
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normal case in australia..i spent 6 months to find a job too..
hons is not so special anymore and what they looking for is experience
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Apr 15 2012, 10:11 AM)
Even the job is listed in the demand list skill, it does not mean that you are able to get a job easily in Oz. Their hiring process is very much different from Malaysia. They paid very detailed attention your experience and always preferred with local experience. So landing the first job is always the toughest.

If it is for your kiddos, you can always send them here to study and apply for PR and eventually get a job. That is the easier path.
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How do you apply for PR first without job?
Are you eligible for PR application without a job?


Added on April 15, 2012, 3:00 pm
QUOTE(hihihehe @ Apr 15 2012, 02:52 PM)
normal case in australia..i spent 6 months to find a job too..
hons is not so special anymore and what they looking for is experience
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So maybe its beetter to work in Bolehland first and then apply for job in Oz?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Apr 15 2012, 03:00 PM
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post Apr 15 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 15 2012, 02:58 PM)
How do you apply for PR first without job?
Are you eligible for PR application without a job?


Added on April 15, 2012, 3:00 pm
So maybe its beetter to work in Bolehland first and then  apply for job in Oz?
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You still can lodge the PR application offshore, provided you have enough points eg. age bracket, skill and etc warrants you different points, even you do not have a job. The PR application may take from months or years to be approved. Apart from that, you can also get those visiting while working visa. Try to visit the migration website, they provide very comprehensive information on the visas that they offer.

The easiest way to work in Oz is to get your company to sponsor you if you company has an office in Oz. Every year, the government will revise the migration regulations. Of course, candidates with working experience will be preferred but if you think that getting a job in Oz is easy, even you have a PR, then you will be disappointed.
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post Apr 15 2012, 06:09 PM

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I still think culturally we need to be very different when we are in Australia looking for work. You have to be aggressive, straight to the point and understand about the company and role you are applying for. Academically good ppl who have no good communication skills will not find it easy to look for a job in Australia?

Sponsored for work visa is great, where you have a job waiting for you and also you do not have to pay a high visa fee. However the work visa is temporary and contractually ties you to the company. You cannot change jobs, industry, etc. The work visa also will not have benefits like Medicare and subsidised education for your children.

So that's why i thot it is better to apply for PR on my own... gives me more options and weightage? Companies can hire me without applying for a work visa for me, if i fit their bill of corz.. =)
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post Apr 15 2012, 09:12 PM

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While the list may show you what jobs are in demand, it does not tell you what experience level is in demand. There may be a high demand for chem engineers for example but the demand may be for experienced ppl only not new grads. That is the part you need to find out for yourself to gauge where you fit in terms of your experience or lack thereof. As for your kiddos, get them to do uni in Oz and by the time they graduate, if they qualify for PR go ahead and apply. If they do not qualify, come back work in Malaysia first and apply again few years later when the conditions are right. Thats what my cousin did and is now settling fine here.
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i am aussie PR. qualified accountant. back in 2009. cannot find job. every day send application, from CFO position to a/c clerk position, also no proper interview. job agency will interview u, but it's like you just fill in the number for another guy to get the job.

but relative an engineer, got a good job. now proly aud 200k a year. only mining do well. if u over 35 yo. difficult. they dun wan to hire u thinking u will leave after they train u. stupid .

my fren work their in hotel. when he was 30 yo, he went over. had to start from bottom. hardest part, is report to younger & less experienced aussie. they all can talk until bird come down, but when u need doing. maybe 1 out of 10 can do only. he said aussie very rank conscious. once he got a small promotion, people start to see him as a person.

now my fren in perth. another hotel. supervise few aussie. like monkeys he said.

i dun know but i got feeling it's like bangla in msia. they do jobs we dun like to do. u go u become bangla..

my experience, u think they welcome u with open arms ? no.

Polite to u ? yes, if they are not drunk.

all this in perth. maybe melbourne / sydnet better.

but perth is mining town booming.

unless u dun mind work in factory or kitchen. at least get min pay , about aud36000 a year.

stupid, i got skilled migration, but go work for factory. all this for my kids education....? some will do.

maybe better for next generation. otherwise, just go over for easy life. not stress.




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post Apr 16 2012, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(helikev @ Apr 16 2012, 03:10 AM)
i am aussie PR. qualified accountant. back in 2009. cannot find job. every day send application, from CFO position to a/c clerk position, also no proper interview. job agency will interview u, but it's like you just fill in the number for another guy to get the job.

but relative an engineer, got a good job. now proly aud 200k a year. only mining do well. if u over 35 yo. difficult. they dun wan to hire u thinking u will leave after they train u. stupid .

my fren work their in hotel. when he was 30 yo, he went over. had to start from bottom. hardest part, is report to younger & less experienced aussie. they all can talk until bird come down, but when u need doing. maybe 1 out of 10 can do only. he said aussie very rank conscious. once he got a small promotion, people start to see him as a person.

now my fren in perth. another hotel. supervise few aussie. like monkeys he said.

i dun know but i got feeling it's like bangla in msia. they do jobs we dun like to do. u go u become bangla..

my experience, u think they welcome u with open arms ? no.

Polite to u ? yes, if they are not drunk.

all this in perth. maybe melbourne / sydnet better.

but perth is mining town booming.

unless u dun mind work in factory or kitchen. at least get min pay , about aud36000 a year.

stupid, i got skilled migration, but go work for factory. all this for my kids education....? some will do.

maybe better for next generation. otherwise, just go over for easy life. not stress.
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Yes, it is not easy to get a permanent job here even if you are a PR. This is what really worries me in the long term. What if I lose my job? It might be really difficult to get a new one.

To be honest, I still prefer Singapore than Australia. I have never really felt at home here even though almost 4 years in Australia. If I were to stay in Australia long term, it would be just for the money and kids education.
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post Apr 16 2012, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(plplpl @ Apr 16 2012, 11:35 AM)
Yes, it is not easy to get a permanent job here even if you are a PR. This is what really worries me in the long term. What if I lose my job? It might be really difficult to get a new one.

To be honest, I still prefer Singapore than Australia. I have never really felt at home here even though almost 4 years in Australia. If I were to stay in Australia long term, it would be just for the money and kids education.
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What is your situation like? What is it in your job that makes you think you may lose it? Do you find difficulty integrating? What kind of work do you do in what industry? Would be helpful to everyone here I think:)
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post Apr 16 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(jskf01 @ Apr 16 2012, 09:46 AM)
What is your situation like? What is it in your job that makes you think you may lose it? Do you find difficulty integrating? What kind of work do you do in what industry? Would be helpful to everyone here I think:)
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I am in O&G industry now. So far my job is safe but I dont really like the new management. I just found a new job but it is pure luck because coincidentally I have the exact skills that they require.

I had tried searching for new job in the past and found it hard to even land an interview. Probably it is because I am not a PR. Same goes for my wife here. She sent many resumes but not even one single interview. Now only working as process worker in factory.

Sometimes I wonder the reasons it is so difficult to find a job in Aussie. Initially I assumed it was because of the PR status or because I live in small city like Adelaide so not much jobs available. However I talked to one of my colleague who lives in Melbourne, his wife's parents are Sri Lankan but she was born in New Zealand. She had a Law degree from NZ and also is a PR in Aussie. According to my colleague, his wife sent hundreds of resume but cant even get one interview. She ended up working as a retail assistant. Therefore, the only reason I can think of is because we are Asians.





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