Wow. Sounds like the job market is way worst den Malaysia.


I see. Well glad to know this new information. Thanks for the info. Btw are you working there currently? If yes as what?


Ya, Singapore is in my list as well. =)

I plan to find a job in Australia coming next year May ~ June. Next year I will be 29, and I have 5 years in .Net software engineer/web design. I know their taxes and living cost is high, but their wages is high too. Yet, I still have few doubts, lets discuss:

1. should I apply for a visa first then only hunt for job? or the other way round?
2. I know it's hard for us to get a job there since we are foreigner, my friend suggest me to take my master in Australia. While studying, hunt for a part time job to pay for the daily expenses and the master fee itself(it wont be easy). after finished my master (1-2 years later), it's more easy for me to get hired. (this is what he did in UK)

P/S: Canada and UK is under my consideration as well. still dilemma which country to choose

This post has been edited by meee: Dec 4 2014, 05:07 PM

5 years experience is not a lot. Are you willing to start from scratch like other graduates which are 22-23 years old? Wages are not high if you take away taxes and living cost/rent. Think about it, but I would encourage you to give it a try for the experience.

Get a PR first before hunting for a job. There are already tons of people with PR hunting for a job.

Sydney, in IT.

really meh?

they don't have tall city buildings (40 stories already considered one of the tallest) but they got the basics right. drink water from tap. trains are not fast but comfortable and effective. buses are mostly good. roads are nice.

in Malaysia can you drink tap water

I actually do this all the time. Not dead yet

Lousy internet - not much different from Malaysia but if you compare it to other developed country?
Lousy train system - Not a problem for me cause I don't use it
Second airport (Sydney) that takes 20 years to plan and consult. While the current airport have heavy traffic and frequent flights delay all the time

And many other small stuff like banks takes 24 hours to transfer your money, errors in bank statement, electricity bills etc all the time. But you get the picture.

Anyway, I think skyscraper is an Asian thing, building tall tower in Australia is really just to market to Asian that doesn't understand Australia.

We normally do that when we play basketball and can't find any other source of water , that was 20 years ago.... So I am still alive I suppose

Did you not read my post? Apply for PR first. Don't bother job hunting without PR.

Studying in Aust - your visa will only allow u to work 20 hours a week (officially). U wont have limited access to proper jobs. It will be cash jobs, paid at a low rate and open to exploitation.

No guarantees after spending all that $ for master u have better prospects for a job. Job market is tight. Experience counts more IMO.

If u really want to work and live in Aust, apply now for PR. Don't delay. The younger u come here the easier it is to settle down and build career.

I can't speak much about Canada or UK, beyond saying it's much colder and much further away. At least if u have family emergency in M'sia, it is between 4-8 hour flight time, and most major cities serviced by Airasia.

thanks for the reply, I did read ur post.
PR means permanent resident rite? I thought we can only get the PR after 5 years of staying in Australia?
I never been to Australia before, so the working visa is the first thing I need to get first before PR?
please correct me if im wrong.
is this the right place to apply my visa? http://www.malaysia.embassy.gov.au/klpr/home.html
how long it will took to get my first visa?

I still got few projects need to settle before I quit my current job. I mean I could, but it's not nice to quit now since I handle the project initially.


let's say I already got the PR and everything, and I start to hunt for a job, I plan to use video conference for interviewing. is that going to work? or should I quit my current job, moved to Australia, then only start to find a job?

is seating for IELTS test is a must if hunt a job in Australia?

This post has been edited by meee: Dec 5 2014, 08:42 AM

I think you have the whole process wrong

please refer to this site www.immi.gov.au read it and understand the process and your options. its not easy getting a pr !

all australian visa/pr application is online based. Good Luck

Good luck with video conferencing. Since the competition is so tough locally, yr application and request to video conference will go to the bottom of the pile.

You will need to quit yr job, move to Oz, then go job hunting.

IELTS is a must = you sit for it as part of the PR application.

excellent summary. With the new government insisting on socially correct politics, new jobs are becoming scarce for the non-skilled market. Best bet is to look at our neighboring country for better employment and lower taxes.

That is unless you considering to uproot your whole family there for better education etc.

I'm not sure what you mean by lousy internet. Yes South Korea, Japan, maybe some European countries have super fast internet. I don't think it's Australia's problem really, are consumers willing to pay more for faster internet technology? I agree comms networks are a problem in many areas though.

It is much different to Malaysia. Malaysia only recently got fibre broadband and high speed. Before that I was dcing every 2 seconds for fuks sake.

Train system is not the best in the world but I wouldn't say lousy - maybe I'm wrong as I am not a frequent user. But just look at Malaysia's system, Australia's is really good already. Malaysia is fairly developed in most aspects yet the train system sucks balls.

Malaysia also has plenty of airport development problems. KLIA is just an exception to the rule.

Your other criticisms are not really related to big picture infrastructure. Yes they can be a pain but not something you don't experience in Malaysia frequently too.

I think in short Australia's infrastructure is ahead of Malaysia and there's no doubt of the quality of life.

talking about internet, i very pissed off with malaysian 1. unifi only can get you up to 20mbps and thats exp too. i used to sign with internode adsl2+ with up to 24mbps and my area near to DSLAM area. the speed constantly around 20mbps and 4k or 1080p streaming is not a problem at all. wished i could try their NBN though

i googled and found out that australia's internet provider comes with quota? unliked our streamyx which is unlimited. correct me if im wrong.

yup. but its getting cheaper thanks to the competitors. almost every 3 months the ISP will revise the price/quota.

200GB per month for me is more than enough unless you are heavy downloader.
TPG offers unlimited downloads too

i wish to add that while the cost of living in australia is high, you also have to take into consideration the wages. i find that one's purchasing power is probably higher even in a capital city in australia as compared to KL

Actually also depends on industry and seniority la. I'm pretty sure the take home pay for a CEO in a public listed company in malaysia > australia. Why? Australia is an egalitarian society. They are allegic to people earning obscene amounts.

I agree it is very much an egalitarian society, even a paradise if compared to an extreme example like Malaysia. Malaysia is a crazy example where CEO salaries are wildly inflated.

But there are still accusations of elitism and favouritism, for example in the public service (the public service is huge), and in some large private sector firms (those with a long history or legacy or ties to government, where the passage of time has given rise to these issues). Obviously it is nowhere near as extreme as in Malaysia, and it is not as big of a problem as in the US or the UK.

I haven't been here long enough to see it happen but it's not hard to see that the right conditions are there for corruption and favouritism to happen on a large scale.

And yes, depends on industry. Certain industries will pay a lot more at the bottom and at the top (finance, resources). It is how the economy works (they take a lot more risks than most lawyers, engineers, teachers).

I read that the first time as allergic to people spending obscene amounts. Haha. They are trying to outspend Malaysia maybe.

is nov onwards a bad time to look for jobs ? will jan-feb be much better ?

did anyone took this AMES SPMP ? wondering if it's really good for networking as well ?

This post has been edited by DarReNz: Dec 9 2014, 03:02 PM