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post Mar 14 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(lostintransition @ Mar 14 2013, 10:46 AM)
Sigh - the people who abuse the system is making it harder for genuine professionals who want to migrate.. sad.gif
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Migrating for long term professional job if you are still on the skill list is still very do-able, in fact, DIAC recently lowered the points cut off because there weren't enough applicants who could meet the points requirement... this whole 457 saga is only clamping down on the abuse of the visa for unskilled jobs...
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post Feb 24 2014, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(kathlynn @ Feb 24 2014, 07:40 PM)
The address I can bluff, but the contact number? How do I go around that?
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i know of someone who did soemthing similar, after he graduated he returned and claimed he was on holiday and would be returning to Aus soon. eventually he did get hired after flying back and forth a couple of times (hail Airasia) but eventually it comes down to your persistence and suitability for the jobs u apply to.... i know you cant use this to bluff and yours is different situation as you are experienced, but its up to your creativity to come up with something else i guess biggrin.gif

anyway, most people will tell u the same thing - the easiest way is to dive head in and go there without a job - be there in person and start applying. the only thing is giving up your comfortable life and job back home, i guess that is personal and up to you. good luck!
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post Feb 25 2014, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 25 2014, 02:32 PM)

56000 AUD per annum is lower than average graduate salary man....
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for intermediate auditor is a bit low but 56k aud doesnt sound too low for a grad man, probably average, most accounting grads avg taking about aud45k ?
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post Mar 10 2014, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(manickam123 @ Mar 5 2014, 06:52 PM)
err, if u have to spend $4k a month on rental in places like melb...48k a year...wouldn't that be low?

correct me if i am wrong, i've seen $1k a week rental for 2 room apartments in gumtree before.
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of course u will rent accordingly to what you earn... if u earn RM4k u wont go rent a mansion in damansara etc, i believe $1k a week rental must be for a really expensive suburb or seaside apt...

i think in a regular suburb 30-40 mins from CBD, u should expect to pay about $500-600 per week for a whole house with about 2-3 rooms... correct me if wrong... thats about aud$2k a month, $1k a month each if there are two working adults...

most of the times u will be sharing with flatmates anyway, a bit too excessive if you rent the whole house to yourself with 2 rooms (unless u got family etc)
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post Mar 10 2014, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Mar 6 2014, 07:02 PM)
your cousin is lucky, i would say

many smart people have to leave. but if you have PR, you have a good chance of finding work. smart doesn't matter if you don't have PR... you might need to be a genius or just be really lucky (unless it is Engineering which seems to not have run out of jobs yet)
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not only smart and capable, u need to have a dash of luck too
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post Mar 10 2014, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(manickam123 @ Mar 6 2014, 05:24 PM)
i am not sure whether want to go or not..i kena scolded by my family for allowing my PR to expire.

But since u tell me, if my pr expire i will never get a chance again...how ah?

i thinking of asking for extension but i dun hv good excuse

also i not willing to leave msia, leave my speciality of accounting work to go to aust for entry level job. so far my frens who migrated there didn't exactly get any worthwhile jobs. Total mismatch, like engineer work as coffee barista and accountant work as librarian.

my father had a near death experience last year, i managed to save his life at 11th hour when i brought him to hospital to take emergency surgery. So its matters like this that cause me to wonder what if i am away, how to take care of my parents? i
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i think u should think carefully about your motivations to migrate to australia, why move to aus when u can carve out a good career back home in msia? esp since u want to be near your family, even more reason to stay - even if u want greater exposure, more money etc there is always the southern neighbour icon_idea.gif that way u will be close enough to come back anytime, maybe once every fortnight etc. less adapting to do, less downgrade of job position as well
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post Mar 20 2014, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Mar 20 2014, 02:53 PM)
Find that quite hard to believe as a student who lives in ACT after growing up in KL and has travelled to Melbourne and Sydney, and even Perth, Brisbane, and Gold Coast years ago.

Of course I don't live in Sydney so I might not have the full picture but feel free to elaborate.
When we talk about costs like these (and ignore FX rates) we also need to account for relative salary. It's much higher in Australia. In KL a grad might get 3,000 monthly if lucky (plenty of evidence on this forum that many get below that even in what's seen as high performing industries, and Jobstreet will confirm this), which translates to 36,000 pa. Let's ignore SOCSO, EPF, and taxes for now. A Sydney or Melbourne grad can easily get 60,000 pa, sometimes 80,000 pa. We're talking service industry and not working in mines or oil fields. You may want to account for maybe 25% taxes since the starting taxes for income above AUD 18k is around 17-20% if I remember correctly. Even then it's 45,000 to 60,000.

Now I can observe (anecdotal, not fact or statistics) there are plenty of things that cost the same nominal units of money in either country. A restaurant meal (MYR 30 or AUD 30). A suit jacket. A house or apartment unit (~500k).

Now the Australian salary starts at a much higher base. Assuming equal growth, equal performance, comparable economic conditions blah blah the Australian is gonna have a much higher pay in several years' time. Who is better off?

$7 sounds cheap for fast food. Is that location highly accessible, or is that price point common, or is the portion big enough, i.e. will many people be able to enjoy $7 meals too?

$20 for a proper shirt sounds like it's been discounted quite a bit and in KL you can also get 3-shirt or 2-shirt specials all year round for quite cheap, quality stuff. Where do you shop in Malaysia? We have some of the cheapest goods around the region and it attracts so many people from Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.
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too long to elaborate and this is a much more complex issue than simply comparing how much fast food costs even when you match dollar for dollar etc - what we look at is purchasing power over essential items and even people who dedicate careers to doing this like economists, professors and all those overpaid people in the banks etc cant come to an agreement.

what is more important, and should be more important, is intangible and "soft" differences, like quality of life, safety, freedom (political freedom, etc). Southern neighbour singapore is known to be expensive, why do so many people still migrate there instead of KL?


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post May 27 2014, 07:09 PM

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actually, someone i knew, work 5 years in Aus, saved up money, balik Msia, savings multiplied x3 go into business - the currency difference is really big and even bigger than SGD
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post May 28 2014, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ May 28 2014, 02:49 PM)
I worked in SG and AU before, below is an example for my rough expenses. Assuming salary is $5k

In Australia
Tax 30%++
Rental Sharing 1 room apartment/Bills ($250pw) 20%
Food (cook at home on weekday, eat out weekend) and other necessities 10%
Total: 60%

In Singapore
Tax 4%
Rental Sharing 1 room HDB/Bills ($600) 12%
Food(eat out everyday) 10%
Coach back to Malaysia twice per month 4%
Total: 30%


My Australia expenses excluding my flight back to Malaysia each year! So realistically, I can barely save 30$ of what I earned in Australia. Even though the currency is higher, but still I have to sacrifice of eating out, spending on entertainments and travelling around in Australia due to the higher cost.
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Same, I worked in both before as well - I think what you have to also take into account is that the wages in Australia for the same job are generally higher compared to SG, especially if you are just talking about middle management, analyst and entry level type of jobs.

Eg. Entry level pay in Singapore is about $2500-3200 (SGD30k pa to SGD40k, with bonus maybe add another 3-5k pa) - if you find an ok company they pay out the CPF portion, otherwise the more dubious ones try to rip you off cos no CPF, so they just lower the pay by 20% and they know we will still take because of exchange rate.

Similar entry level job depending on state, in AU, you are looking at between AUD$45k - $55k pa.

Don't forget if ultimate goal is to return to MY, AUD still stronger than SGD (although only slightly now). Also consider quality of life and intangible factors - SG such a stressful and crowded place (although can go back often if you like traffic jam hahaha)
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post May 31 2014, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(immabee @ May 31 2014, 01:42 PM)


Graduated in mid Jan and began working in a local accounting firm (with my intended division) earlier in February. The job was fine but the Malaysian style of work and pay have yet to compensate me well.
hahaha, when i tell people in Aus about the starting grad pay in Msia they are like wtf
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post Jun 7 2014, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(plplpl @ Jun 5 2014, 03:10 PM)
Guys,

I will be relocating from Brisbane to Canberra. Heard it is cold and quiet city. Any good info you can share about living in Canberra?
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Canberra really actually not that bad... Obviously more on the quiet side, but there are things to do... Nature, museums, slowly developing a cafe culture... Quiet, nice and slow, almost no traffic jams and still decent amenities...

Just that it gets really cold and dry as it's inland compared to syd/Melb, rental expensive...

But then on the weekends u can always take a trip to Sydney, only 3 hours away by bus or drive

What u moving there for? Work?
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post Jul 6 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(jessie86my @ Jul 3 2014, 06:04 PM)
It is not tiao geh la and I didnt kao beh kao bu, just a bit lost because it is a bit too sudden..because when the hiring manager asked me if I am interested to work in Aus, I thought to just give it a try and accepted the interview because I thought I would fail and won't get the job offer, that's why I am still a bit unbelievable when I got it  smile.gif
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u have nothing to lose moving to aus really, even if you end up dont like it u can always come back and say that u had overseas work experience and the exposure of working in a different country... it will definitely look good on your resume
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post Jul 12 2014, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 6 2014, 08:41 PM)
Not really. I made a shit load of applications to SG and MY companies a while back. Not one replied.

Got a lot of Australian replies though. Everyone else doesn't seem to give a shit.
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Made from australia? maybe because of your location
Otherwise for the more enterprising ones, can use savings to start business...
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post Jul 19 2014, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 18 2014, 10:33 PM)
Monthly or weekly rent, what the hell is the difference? If ur contract is 6 months or 12 months ur still giving up the same $ each year
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6 months lease will always be more expensive than 12 month because u are locked in to the contract for a longer period with the 12 month....

think because salary is counted by fortnightly so more convenient to use the same....
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post Jul 20 2014, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Jul 19 2014, 11:03 AM)
if cars are cheap, the why do I see people there driving small cars? instead of BMWs?

what about financing? They don't use HP right? They go by leases? Are the instalments more hefty and discourage buyers from buying luxury cars?
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While the prices of the cars seem cheap, the running costs are quite expensive... because the insurance and yearly road tax alone comes up to about $1.5k... and that is for a corolla...

Also another reason is the long distances travelled here, will rack up the mileage on the cars and make the luxury cars lose value fast... why spend all that money on a fast car when the speed limit is strictly enforced at 110kph max in victoria....

the loans are very sneaky, if u add the compounding, a 6-8% interest rate easily adds 20-30% to the price of the car....

Also, partly the culture and lack of status that a luxury car gives you i believe... everybody here has a car, no one really cares whether you drive a mercedes or a holden or a toyota...

those are just some reasons i can think of for not getting a luxury car... but otherwise, dollar for dollar it definitely is cheaper to buy a car here, just bloody expensive to drive it (and park) into the CBD, and running costs etc . most of the time u see people driving luxury cars, they are asians.... all the car deprived people like us
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post Jul 20 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jul 19 2014, 06:45 PM)

that's not the point, weekly or monthly you still end up paying the same amount assuming they adjust it because not all months have the same number of weeks. in practice they may not and so monthly might represent a small benefit to the tenant.

6 mth is sometimes more expensive but not always
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6 month is usually more expensive because from the owner pov, it is a guaranteed income stream for the next 12 months rather than the 6 - its pretty much the same logic and reasoning as the interest for a fixed deposit, depending on whether u expect the rentals to rise or not

as u said, not all months have the same number of weeks and the same number of days, but every year has the same number of weeks and because leases are usually negotiated on a yearly or half-yearly basis i guess it makes it more "fair" and transparent for both sides - eg. you shouldnt be paying the same amount of rent for february's 28 days and july's 31 days etc
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post Jul 26 2014, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 24 2014, 11:48 AM)
like i said, i nvr ask for the t&c
i read from whirlpool that there was indeed 0% interest rate for toyota but dont expect to haggle for discount of the car price.im not sure if 0% is for first 12 months or maybe more but $30k+ for 1 camry with 3% of interest still not bad. i would dump in 30% of downpayment or so and getaway with 3 or 5 years loan

and my bought bought hyundai ix35 with interest rate 2.7% if im not mistaken.
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the low interest rate usually mean u end up paying more for the car... end up sama sama , maybe even more expensive if u dont do your sums properly...

think 8-10% can be accurate if you have no credit history and u lazy to shop around and just take the first loan the dealer gave.

when i bought my car secondhand with cash the dealer refused to budge on the price, they dont make much if u dont take the loan... its the same with property... there was a recent RBA article that shows, if you do the calculation the interest u pay on a home loan over 20-25 years is actually more than what you pay for the house, if you do the compounding interest calculation...

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post Jul 26 2014, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 26 2014, 12:02 PM)
Of course get PR first before buying house. Im not sure if first home buyer scheme still available but buying a house with PR has less hassle

3 br nice(not luxury or whatever they called)apartment around Melbourne CBD normally cost around $800k. I will make sure I will not spend more than 40% of my salary on the house repayment though
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First home owner grant now only for newly built homes....meaning you have to either buy a new development or build your own property...

$7k in victoria if im not wrong, and no need to pay stamp duty (which can come up to substantial savings)
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post Jul 29 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 28 2014, 11:34 PM)
Im in my early 30's, fairly settled in Malaysia with a good job and reasonably secure financially. But seeing how tis country is slowly rotting, im seriously considering migration to either Australia or Europe (Germany). Ive travelled extensively in Europe and have been seriously evaluating multiple options to facilitate migration to Germany. Australia is an easier option but i have a few concerns:

1) General economic outlook for Australia
2) Rising unemployment
3) Difficulty in securing a long term job (technical field) compared to Germany

Im open to views.
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think u and your children will find it much easier to adapt and integrate in australia than germany.... already a fair number of malaysians living in australia, most already 2nd/3rd gen...
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post Aug 17 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Aug 15 2014, 05:04 PM)
I live in a strata apt building (renting) and some ******* has parked their car in my garage (somehow bypassing the lock/remote control access). The parking spots are tied to the apartment unit (assigned).

Agent kns, parking operator won't do anything. Building management are cooperative and sincere but don't really have the power to do anything.

Any tips what I can do? Call police? Don't even know if police will help.
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I can suggest some seriously viable options:

Leave a polite note and ask them not to do it again.

You will be surprised that in Australia this might actually work, but obviously this might not work. So other options are:

1. get a jack and jack up the front wheel or hire a tow truck, tow it out and push it out to the middle of the main road

2. Call a current affair / today tonight or one of those trashy shows who will put your problem onto the 7pm primetime TV nationwide


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