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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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Soony
post Jul 16 2013, 12:28 AM

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Sadly the exchange rate is going down =(
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post Jul 21 2013, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(natsu_dragneel @ Jul 20 2013, 11:00 PM)
i will pursue my study in aust or uk..but im intend to work abroad for a year or two to cover my study loan..i already calculate the amount to study in aust in way expensive than in uk..different around rm100k..but i can work easily after graduating..ist true??because i dont want to waste my money if i cant work in aust after graduating..

and i heard its very hard to get a job in uk for foreigner..if i study in a top uni in uk will it be easy for me to get a job in aust??
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Same for Australia as well, don't expect work to easily come by, there's a large sum of competitors with minimal available job. But if you don't mind working in the FnB area jobs should be widely available. I've came across that a lot of engineering graduates cant find an engineering job upon graduation. It is this tough now.



QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 21 2013, 12:53 PM)
finding work is very hard doesn't matter in UK or Aus. many UK people going to Australia for a job due to they can't find any job there. They even snapped the working holiday visa to australia for the chance of getting work visa sponsored by employer.

i would say focus on study first then only worry about job in your last semester. PR is not easy to get anymore in Australia as you must score at least all 7 in IELTS to get enough 60 points
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I think IELTS for PR now is flat 8 right unless you're doing PHD that is. For normal students like in the age range 20-24.
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post Jul 21 2013, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 21 2013, 09:41 PM)
Oh yes, never realised the age tongue.gif

so pretty much no chance as most of the fresh graduates are below 25
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To get ielts flat 8 is still manageable, I think it's easier than securing a job. To be honest.

Are you in Australia now? haha.


QUOTE(Captain Kahuna @ Jul 21 2013, 09:45 PM)
Sadly, I am one of those graduates in Brisbane. I've been searching for a fulltime role for 1 year plus and still no results, even though I have my PR. Did some part time work as a drafter (Civil grad student) but thats it.. Now I'm looking to come back to KL. Anyone here working in aus as a civil/structural eng ? Hope that you can  icon_question.gif
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I think you should come over to WA, there's more opportunities as its a mining/oil state. Sorry I would really love to help but I'm in the mechanical discipline. I can see that my friends in civil are also struggling to find a job. Have you tried using seek or attending networking events?

But you did part time work as a drafter in Australia should have an edge over other international students.
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post Jul 22 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 22 2013, 05:00 AM)
Yes in Australia now and going to have IELTS this Saturday. ALl 8 in IELTS is achievable but not for me sad.gif

WIl ltry my best
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All the best man and remember to understand the format. It's the most important thing rather than your usual english grammar stuffs.


QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 22 2013, 10:12 AM)
A few tips to getting a job;
1) A cover letter for each application. It shows you are addressing their requirements.
2) Follow up, Follow up, Follow up. If you're annoying enough they'll hire you.
3) Lose the asian name. Call yourself Timothy in your resume instead of publishing a f***about of unpronounceable names.
4) Get a professional resume writer and post samples to your Uni career services for checking and appraisal.
5) No point in going for the big dogs unless your resume is pure gold. Try the smaller firms that never get advertised. Quick tip, buy an industry related magazine and look at the adverts for inspiration.

Generally Perth based positions are headhunted most of the time if you don't live in WA.

Go to the overseas networking thing I just mentioned, grab people's cards, chat them up, add them on facebook and post funny cat pics on their walls.

Yes, CSQ does upskilling, not for engineers but for everyone. That's our taxpayer money at work. Use it, get a Cert II. I'm an engineer but doing a Cert III tradie apprenticeship in Electrotechnology. QLD gahmen paid.
They will take in PR IF they cannot find a suitable citizen to do the job and I don't think there are many civils lining up to join the forces.
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Good advices up there but I would love to add some stuffs on. For engineering marks are not everything, you need to have a great balance (shown in the resume). For example, vacation work, part time work, volunteering work and even extra cocu. I still think we should all give the big dogs a shot as they will hire international more often than the smaller companies. I managed to land a graduate work a few months ago (whilst still studying in university) with some big OnG company as an international student.

If anyone here requires some proof reading on the resume you're free to have some feedbacks from me.
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QUOTE(Geminist @ Jul 22 2013, 11:29 AM)
Funny you should say that.  Half of my company consists of foreigners, mainly pommies.  All the engineers on my team are foreigners and we even recruited graduates from across the ocean.  Almost all our hires come in via network / word of mouth.  You should try and speak to your university supervisor / professor to see if they can hook you up with any contacts they have. 

Also, remember to set up a LinkedIn profile.  It's quite widely used in most places around the world, and I know our recruiters certainly look you up on LinkedIn prior to interview.   

With your CV, remember to tailor it the specific position you're applying for, and remember to make sure it's explicit that your CV is tailored and not a generic one that you spam to every company.  A trick I used was to name your CV, Geminist_CV_2013_Company.  Back your CV up with examples, and not generic words.  For example, don't just say you're a team player, give an example why you're a team player etc. 

Good luck.
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Haha, yes. One of the frequent things I see in people's resume is too general and not quantifiable. =D


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post Jul 26 2013, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Jul 25 2013, 03:06 PM)
Hi,

I wish to seek some advice. I am interested to migrate to Australia but not sure where to start and what to do. I wish to work there too.

I am in my early 40's and has more than 15 years of working experience in the accounting line here in Malaysia. I recently sat for my final paper in ACCA and now waiting for the results. I am unemployed at the moment.

I have a brother who is a PR in Australia and recently found a job as a manager after looking for a job after 3 months. He is in his 30's.

Since he believes that it will be difficult for me to get a job in Australia because i am old, i am unable to seek any advice from him.

Any advise, any one?
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What probably you can do is, apply for PR. Then open a newsagency to run it here or a restaurant. Getting a job and working under people is a bit tough now adays.
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post Aug 1 2013, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(giomanach @ Aug 1 2013, 01:34 PM)
Oh. I see. I'm still in my early 20s. I am actually working in project management now but I wanna go to design. It's so damn hard to find a design job in oil and gas here in Perth. Contrary to popular beliefs, not everyone's salary will have a huge hike. My company pays me peanuts as compared to my other peers. If only the job market is better... But then again I am a fresh grad. I'm probably too gungho at the moment.
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Wao, at least you have a job. I have friends that graduated for a year and yet to find a job.
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post Aug 4 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Aug 4 2013, 10:38 AM)
Shine from a cashier/waiter?

Who wants to make a career out of a cashier/waiter?

If the company employs me as an administrator of a bed & breakfast, a web designer or a golf course caretaker, maybe there is a career to be made from there.
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Well, I understand where you're coming from. It's like those with degree should do decent work in their respective fields.

I guess you can say not all degree holder would do what they study in the end, especially in the times where the economy is that bad now.

The most available jobs are the cashier/waiter nowadays. It pays good though, can go up as high as like $25-30 per hour, better than some engineers locally.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 5 2013, 12:02 AM)
Talk about cost of living, i did research and observe on the price tag for groceries in KL. I actually paid the value of AUD in dairy products. Even it's local production, they put the price tag same as imported goods. Ex. Milk cost me RM11/bottle for 2 litres which is extremly expensive. I pay AUD2 for 2 litres here. Thanks to our inflation back home and don't forget we have our own milk!
Most Malaysian back home still thinking working cleaner or supermarket is something which is shame of or treat it as sub-standard job. If they manage to pay u AUD25/hr, why not? They even got training course to train u so that u could have passion and will have a good career with them. My housemate who was IT guy shines successfully in Woolworths. He's branch manager now. He got 2 houses and cars and forming family. Why not??
I even knew that some cleaners work for 5 years manage to form their own cleaning company accepting contract to clean the offices. Hey, that's a damn good business!

Hey hihihehe, i've checked with my friends here, IELTS issue u better take from KL. My friends here have the same issue as yours. Resit paper for 3 times coz they need band 7. Most of them going back home to take the test.
Put double effort, u wouldn't want to go back KL to stuck in jam again, are you??I've gone thru that and very tired of the worklife and traffic there. It's hectic!
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Hmm, Ielts thing is very debatable. For reading and listening it makes no different, but I guess it does for writing and speaking. I would always advise friends to take locally in Australia as you'll be competing with other people from China and Arab (mostly). If you're taking it in Malaysia, you are actually competing with competent people waiting to go overseas to study. These are just my point of view, I just did my Ielts yesterday and true enough there's lots of Arabs and China Chinese, heck they dont even speak english.



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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Aug 5 2013, 12:46 AM)
Its a substandard job becuase of its (lack of) career opportunities.
Yes it pays higher at 25/hr but what are your chances of being promoted?
Some do, most don't.
Sure you heard sucess stories (like those who went on to open their own cleaning services) and I'm not saying there isn't any.
But for every 1 that suceeds, thousands of others fail. The question is do you want to gamble your future?
If you're working as a cleaner in Aus there is no turning back. You can't come back to M'sia and waltz into an executive position with the same pay dollar to dollar.
You are stuck. Dead end.

I mean, those who qualify for a PR are probably degree holders studying on Aus.
If they would to go back to M'sia and work for a bank/MNC i am quite sure they will earn much more than the cleaner in 10 years time.
Of course there are always execeptions but again the question begets "do you want to gamble on your future?"
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What makes you think that if they can't succeed here they can succeed in Malaysia? People always say, high risk high return.. be optimistic.
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Well I would just like to give my own POV in terms of a student's perspective.

Definitely looking for a professional job is hard, but when hunting for 1, probs take around 1-2 years, it's always good to have a part time job, even working as a cashier.

Reason behind this is,

1. You don't waste your time and your parents' money.
2. You have an edge over other people who has never done any part time work before.
3. You can expand your networking rather than limiting yourself to just academic professionals in the university.

Economy is tough now and not everyone gets a job as they desire, you just have to make do with what you have.

Having said that, I am definitely coming home to Malaysia to work after working for 15 years in Australia at least. Malaysia, no matter how is still my home country. But that being said, time will tell.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 7 2013, 10:34 PM)
I think u have to move ur arse here man...you're not suitable in malaysia.
Tomorrow i got interview, hopefully can get it. Wish me luck! smile.gif
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All the best man, what line are you in?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 8 2013, 11:20 AM)
IELTS  result will out tomorrow. THen will decide after that

I have less than 2 months here and going to miss this place badly. Anyway, DIAC has yet again increased the visa application fee. Twice in 3 months. Also, there is a rumor that DIAC plan to take off ICT occupations from the list

https://www.acacia-au.com/immigration-fees-...tember-2013.php
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How much marks are you required for your IELTS? I just took Ielts also last week, one more week to my result, anxious.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 9 2013, 11:16 AM)
Many recruiters in seek.com.au just trying to farm CVs and not really have the job on hand. I still can see the same old job appearing after 2 years

Try linkedin if you don't mind. IS quite useful here in Australia. I received few calls from recruiters through linkedin
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Do you add recruiters or upgrade your linkedin to premium? Just wondering.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:25 PM)
What ur profession?
The working exp they require is a local exp in Oz. If your Oz exp doesn't relate to ur work, it means nothing to them either.
That's y even a company require a trainee in ur profession, better take it as it can be highlighted in ur CV.
Please bear in mind, if u're off ur job profession more than 2 years, they won't even consider ur profession with 10 years exp coz u're off too long.
So, as advise, no matter how, try to apply watever related job to ur profession even it's a junior post.
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Interesting enough, I dont think every company would prefer local experiences. I have only done vac work back in Malaysia but I managed to land a graduate job very much related to my vac work.
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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:57 PM)
Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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Engineering. Haha but the recent batch of China people in my university speaks fluent english, even better than us Malaysians O.O
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 10 2013, 02:25 PM)
To be honest, they are more careful towards Indian resume. Even India employer want to clarify with university to ensure the qualification is genuine
I don't see that as I'm working in education industry. And Korean joins them slowly
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The newer batch of China Chinese, not the current batch that is or already graduating. Well it highly depends as well, my batch of china chinese can't really speak fluently anyway.
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Anybody here in Australia working in Perth? Just wondering what the numbers are and how do you feel about your daily life.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 13 2013, 11:29 PM)
They're offering 70k. It's better than expected coz based on current market situation.
Good thing is the company will review it after 3 mths. Well, take it 1st. After few years local exp then looking for better offer.
I think if ur salary exceed 130k, tax is higher and will make a small difference with people earning 80k. hmm....any advise? hmm.gif
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Think what u re looking at is your base salary, if exceed 75k you ll be charge with a different tax threshold.

So if yours is 70k you're still in the level below the one I've mentioned. Does 70k includes super and everything?
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:07 AM)
Yeah, my house owner's sister is tax accountant. Telling me the same thing.
I guess i've to hit 100k then only can buy.
I saw houses in north perth ellenbrook selling 350k. entitled with FHOG, if labor party wins, FHOG will increase from 7k to 10k which only for new house.
I think labor party might not win this round coz ppl is frustrating with carbon tax! Long terms it's good for future but current situation, i don't think ang moh will buy that
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Most of my friends stays down south, never really been much to up north but the roads and structures all seems a bit dodgy, just based on my POV.

Down south seems more commercialised, a lot more stuffs to do.

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