Not all graduate programs has a rule of maximum 2 years graduate from uni. Believe or not, there are many 'graduate' programs which do not have any restrictions with graduation from uni and even some where experiences in other fields is encouraged. Oh btw, I only graduated 3 years back. 25 this year

I suggest applying anyways if you're new to the field.

Most OnG/Services companies state 2 years post grad max. But on many an occasion I have been contacted with grad offers after being in their system. Weatherford and BakerHughes being the most recent about 2 weeks back. Thus I believe it is worth a try anyways.

As mentioned earlier mining/OnG is keeping the economy afloat and the current flow of projects especially in regards to the GLNG make it an opportune time in my opinion to join the sector. My advice for the willing is to try for process/maintenance orientated jobs with a FIFO/DIDO focus. It really looks good on your resume.

Also if any grads here are man enough, drilling and completions is a great way to break into industry. Easy to get in because nobody wants to do the hard yards.

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This post has been edited by Dharma123: Feb 6 2014, 10:20 PM

Yeah, both malaysia and australia has its good and bad. If you ask me, i would prefer to migrate to uk. I worked there for several months when my co temporarily seconded me there, the jobs in UK are much more diversified and invaluable experience than those in australia.

Well, about the good and bad. One of the reason why i grown tired of working in malaysia is the bad labor environment here. I constantly face lazy co workers, people who push to work back to me, politics by social background and skin color. But then, I hear the same of story from my singaporean friend who is working in australia, he tells me his aussie colleagues are pure lazy. Then my brother's gf who is an asian aussie, she tells me stories of racial discrimination at her bank. The asians are the slave drivers while only the whites sit in the rooms as high roller managers.

Ok granted I only hear this from a few people, I can't say that its general for all australian working environment.

Its a good idea, working till retirement and then return back to malaysia. But i say, by the time you reach 65, i think you would be too used to living in australia, don't want to go back. Anyways, I hear a lot of malaysian PRs secretly converting them into Aussie citizenship (after 5 years). They hush hush not tell the malaysian govt. So everytime they travel, they use their malaysian passports, keeping their aussie passport as backup. And when you have kids, would you trust to send them back to malaysia for national service? I mean the fear of seeing your kids who can't speak the local lingo being bullied by fellow NS classmates?

I am not sure if you can work for Woolworths or Coles for the rest of your live, haha. About 80% of their cashier counters are automatic not like our Aeon and Tescos. Gosh we are so outdated...our supermarkets need so many cashiers. I go to UK, all the tesco express are automated cash machines.

Sigh, my PR is going to expire next year..i dunno what to do.

I am guessing you haven't made the plunge yet to migrate to aus. Its kinda sad if you have to just let your pr die just like that. Oh well woolworth and coles are just worse case scenario. Believe me...lazy people even exist in a big 4 firm that i was with. Lol.

Hmm secret aus citizenship? Thanks but no thanks. The only benefit with aus citizenship is you can vote and apply certain govt departments. Malaysia still can "boleh" if you know wat i mean. Don't plan to born my child in malaysia. They will be aussies as far as i am concern. Retire to malaysia good idea ma. Got money can have driver..a condo in mont kiara. No need care about wat car to drive. Since i got driver..he can drive a proton for all i care lol.

Out of curiousity, are u in ur mid 30s wit a family? Most people in this group more likely to burn their pr away. Lol.

Yes, go to Lifecare in Bangsar South or Gleneagles in Ampang
I did mine in bangsar
U need to chase and screw them until they upload after you pay.

Yeap, with no local experience will push you to the casual work. Not all jobs are that way.
Accountant is surplus in Ozzie market. Same goes to IT or engineers.
If you really wanna come here, die also wanna die here then take a bricklaying, electrical or plumber course. Get TAFE or cert 3 or 4 will give u a bigger chance to earn huge here.
There's some wrong perception given back home saying anyone come in Oz will live happily ever after.
Bear in mind, things is cheaper if earning here and got more opportunity provided u need to work hard to get it.
Not saying u migrate here and goyang kaki, money fall off from sky.
For me, i put in the same hardwork from malaysia to here making me stay put and competitive that i can do more and knowledgable than locals.
If you're looking to make big cash money, sorry, this is not the place.
If you're looking for family raising place, orientated and spend more time with family, this is the place you're looking for.
What's wrong for engineers working as waiter? CPA graduate working as working casual?
As long u have household income exceed 80k with stable job, u be able to buy bungalow here.
Who cares u're working waiter or garbage collector. It's still a job.
Dun laugh at garbage collector, their wages is far higher than phamacist @ $40/hr

What you're saying is right. There's no job security in Aust. and no job freedom in Malaysia as well. We have a secure job but paying peanuts in malaysia. you'll end up miserable working there.
I'm a QS and my wife is accountant. We have a secured job but being paid peanuts. Sacrificing family time and don't have much money left. Work till 8pm each day.
If this is they type of life you're chasing for, then it's a matter of choice.
I consider myself very lucky that i got my job in my own profession in a builder. So far so good. Pay same number different currency. Aiming to jump once got enough local experience & targeting buying house here in 1 year time.
I even offer myself to work as night filler after my daily work. Saving $10k/year is not an issue here.

So how to payback your parents who work so hard so that you can have a overseas university degree only to work as a waiter in australia? Like that might as well save thier money jump aeroplane and work as waiter is aus. Same thing

They have surplus of those TAFE. They are no better then fresh graduates from university.

Yes, I have to agree with you that many people think that going over to Australia is an opportunity for easy life style. The ugly fact it is not. There are somethings that is beyond your control such as recession. Better think 100 times before you embark your journey to Australia.

I can tell you the best way to get into Australia is to work for a big company and get transferred there. At least you dont cry when you run out of job.

I dont see how you manage to logic that out. What is the point of taking up the degree when the person ended up working as a waiter, garbage collector?

Maybe you are forgetting the fact that educated people want to climb the cooperate ladder. Or open their own business.

I dont believe waiter and garbage collector have any form of huge increment in salary. It is pretty much a dead end job. If you dont want to work for that price, they will have plenty of mule to work for them.

Also. I dont even think you know how much those waiter are really paid. Go down to that level and you will understand.

This post has been edited by razo2: Feb 7 2014, 03:12 PM

I can tell you straight up most of their IT skills sucks.

Lets take Excel for an example.

How many people that you worked with knows how to program VBA in Excel? Can count with your 2 fingers.
How about macro? Can count with 5 fingers.

Some experienced fellas still using Excel manually. I really cant understand why these people bother to do that. Excel is a program which they can use to do programming, they still use it like a mule. In my dad's days, I can understand. But now no bloody excuse not to know, Google is a huge database to learn.

Talk about troubleshooting IT problems. Dont worry they already outsourced the job to India.

Graduate jobs is real nightmare to apply. Thousand of applicants but only 1-2 spots.

Even those at graduate program also get terminated like flies.

At least at experienced level, the list is much smaller then grads.

For those that have too much experience and apply for entry level job is just plain stupid. HR will think that way as well.

This post has been edited by razo2: Feb 7 2014, 03:39 PM

IT is kinda wide area. Me, as a system admin now in Malaysia also won't have a clue how to program it. Programmers might able to do it but it also depends which language they normally use.

But if your company is more towards VBA in Excel then you have to look for a guy that is good on it

Wow... how much screwing did you have to do, and how long did it finally take for them to upload it?

Update: Heh seems I was quite lucky. Did mine Saturday morning, they uploaded results the following Monday. They took a few days more to update me via email (got that notification today morning).


This post has been edited by sunblaze: Feb 13 2014, 11:49 AM

How about lookup functions eg vlookup? pivot tables? Data manipulation and automation? All these are pretty basic in this line.

The dying and collapse of Australia Automobile Industry just begins. Thus loss the 9% contribution to Australia GDP.

From 2015, Ford will cease operation, followed by Toyota and Holden in 2017.

It look bad with Liberal in run.

This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 11 2014, 12:30 PM

Yup it is basic Excel that they should know. Maybe some people just prefer to just work like donkey.

Cant blame them for being one as well. It is their choice after all.

This post has been edited by razo2: Feb 13 2014, 07:40 AM

Excel is basic stuff that an IT guy should know. I am currently a M&E&I&hydraulic engineer and I know I need that to work more efficiently in data manipulation/filtering in the office.

I am the kinda that like to make my work shorter and get free time to sit around. Being too efficient is bad as well because I will end up doing other people' s work without an extra pay.

They a lot more coming a head. Mining bubble burst is just the beginning.

Guess who gives fund to those banks as well. If I am not mistaken mining gives almost 15-20% of GDP.

then your company have to point out that candidate at least have a basic excel command before hiring a new IT guy then. in my previous job, someone have to know the university applications like blackboard,peoplesoft,etc to get hired but of course the more you know , the better chance you will get hired. if the VB script is widely used in the organisation then IT guys will be getting training for that too