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post Aug 9 2013, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 9 2013, 12:39 AM)
You're rite on the economy issue. Julia didn't approve on the mining area. Hence, China also play around with Oz that the agreement didn't sign. Whole country thought if the deal is on, they'll go another few years honeymoon. These ang moh thought this could last forever.
It's a recession issue now, I saw some managers from mining actually working in supermarket. Asking them how come working here, they just answer kena fried, what to do?

I sent 60+ jobs app. 2 come back for interview. Ratio pretty low. Now i have to change plan by go thru network. Hopefully can help.
Damn, 1st job app. is ganasai. Some recruiters are quite tiao geh.
Some same job posted by different recruiters. Seems market really slow. Hopefully election would change something
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How long have you been applying for jobs nemesis? And is your line the highly skilled kind or the generic ones like mine, accounting?
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post Aug 9 2013, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:31 PM)
Less than 2 weeks. Seems i don't have much choice have to choose this china company.
I received a 2nd interview this coming monday. I think mainly is talking about the pay and the working hours.
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Wow.....a job within a month. That's pretty good don't u think for the sake of Aussie experience? Btw, what's the job role like? I will be migrating early next year.....dunno can get a job or not also sad.gif
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post Aug 10 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 10 2013, 08:15 AM)
I'm a quantity surveyor with 10 years exp in construction industry. I sent 70+ job apps and sometimes it's really frustrating.
I made cold calls direct to company on job vacancies. I think would be easier instead going thru recruiters coz if u get employed, recruiter gonna charge the employer something like 1 mth pay. Some employer reluctant to pay this money so they keep on interview candidates like few years and not employing.
As i told u previously, recruiters pretty tiao geh. Called so many and they keep on on saying no local exp no job.
My friend has local exp here telling me malaysia exp is far better and more complicate than Oz. He also don't understand the reason.
Matter of fact, now Oz under recession but is well prepared than year 2008 which really shit that time.

My advise is don't give up. Stay positive and aggressive. Take whatever junior post or even trainee also take coz u need so called local exp. to get better pay.
Some people here work like dogs in 1st year and later they jump to other company, pay will be slight increased. Hah, so much for the local exp.
Try apply whatever job relates to ur profession then hentam only. The worst is u can't even meet the interviewers. Got interview 1st, talk later.

Don't mind the substandard job coz u need to survive. It's enough to pay ur rent, grocers, gadgets even cars if u're hardworking enough.
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I agree. We can't be picky going to other people's country. Actually when they say local experience, what they really want? Any job as long as in Australia? Or a similar role that would be relevant to the current role you are applying?

I actually had done some work in Melbourne. I was assistant bookkeeper part time in Melb during my 3 years uni and also a student consultant for ANZ bank for half a year. I am planning to go back to Melb early next year as I am not too sure how much of my exp here locally at PwC will help. Tats y i think migrate the earlier the better. I only have about 2 years exp in my current job though tongue.gif
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post Aug 10 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:25 PM)
What ur profession?
The working exp they require is a local exp in Oz. If your Oz exp doesn't relate to ur work, it means nothing to them either.
That's y even a company require a trainee in ur profession, better take it as it can be highlighted in ur CV.
Please bear in mind, if u're off ur job profession more than 2 years, they won't even consider ur profession with 10 years exp coz u're off too long.
So, as advise, no matter how, try to apply watever related job to ur profession even it's a junior post.
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I'm an external auditor. So I guess my previous work experience are within the accounting/business industry. I am aiming for graduate positions actually because I think most probably my 2 years audit experience won't mean much to them as its not in Australia. So hopefully they are able to see that although I have no local experience but at the very least has some experience so that I am better than local graduates with zero professional experience. Thats the so called advantage I hope that they will consider. I'm only below 25 this year but not too sure age matters in getting a job or not
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post Aug 10 2013, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 10 2013, 01:52 PM)
Interesting enough, I dont think every company would prefer local experiences. I have only done vac work back in Malaysia but I managed to land a graduate job very much related to my vac work.
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Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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post Sep 2 2013, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Sep 2 2013, 12:24 PM)
Thanks Guys for the advice.

I want to migrate because i really want to start somewhere new where everything is based on meritocracy and fairness. Even if i have to start from the bottom and work hard to improve myself, i just don't mind as long as there are no bias and unfair treatment.

Furthermore i like quality of life and time with my family. Being a single parent I believe i will have better opportunities abroad and also give a better opportunity for my child to grow, study and work in a better environment.

I don't mind paying higher taxes if we can expect something better in return because of good governance.

Would it be wrong for migrating for these reasons?
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The reasons you mentioned are exactly the reasons why people are migrating. Go for it. I myself am migrating permanently to Melbourne in Feb 2014.
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post Sep 2 2013, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Sep 2 2013, 03:08 PM)
My friend and his family migrated there in Mar 2013, still cannot find a permanent job.
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hi pete. may i know what is your fren and family line of work, where they living etc? cheers
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post Sep 4 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Sep 3 2013, 09:39 PM)
Fren, ACCA is not well recognize in Australia.

Even if you pass due to the age limit, going there to work..let just say you are 35, you be at the same pay grade as those who just graduated, ie 23.

They don't count your work experience in Malaysia because they think it is inferior. Can you take it, working for people half your age?

FYI I am a PR but I am having second thoughts of migrating becauase I not willing to restart all over again.
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Saying that Malaysian experiences is not counted at all is kind of a big statement. Could you elaborate more on this? I am very interested to see your side of the story as you or your friends have probably experience such situtations.
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post Sep 4 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Sep 4 2013, 02:05 PM)
Its straightforward. Its like one time I work for a china man company, we hired a Pakistani who has a Master degree. My boss thought that Pakistani degrees are substandard, so he never counted his experience and Master degree, he made the Pakistani work as junior level.

So in same way, if you go to Australia, they will also think the same way. Doesn';t matter if you work for top tier MNC. I have friends who work for top tier MNCs, still cannot find after 6 months. The younger you are the better. If you are 23-26, migration is for you. If you are 27-33 still ok. But if you are 34 and above, you will have sacrificed your senior position here just to work as a junior in Australia.
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I see. So this is based on the assumption that any experiences elsewhere except in Australia is inferior. I think that is a fair point. When u mention Malaysian experience, do you just mean working or degree also? Fyi, my situation is such ; i will be 25 when I migrate with 2 years of audit experience from PwC in Malaysia. Before joining PwC, I had 3 years Accounts Assistant working experience part time in Melbourne. Also I had 6 months consulting experience working with ANZ Bank in Melbourne. I also graduated from the top uni in Australia.

So if I am right, your view is that my 2 years with PwC will be as good as nothing. But how about my past Australian experiences? Will those be outdated? Also , please do elaborate more on your friends. Do they have an Australia degree? Do they have any Australian experience before migrating?

P/S : No sarcasm or offence intended. I really do want to get as many views as I can to adjust my expectations when I migrate. Cheers smile.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Sep 4 2013, 04:01 PM)
3 years account assistnat in Australia, ok what. At least you can justify to apply for senior exec.

Seriously I can't confirm la, the world is an oyster or life is a box of chocolates, it really depends on your luck - I presume you wanna go work for Big 4 in Australia - they may not consider you because coporate acctg is diff from msia, then again you can try your luck. But the fact you got job exp in Australia, gives you an edge and I am not saying 6 months experience or some rubbish trainee experience, 3 years counts a lot. Plus you are only 25 ! you are young, you can take the pain. Go for it !

I am talking about those in thier 30s with family, its not easy but not impossible too.
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totally agree with you. It will be very hard for those in their 30s. Do note that my 3 years experience is part time, means i juggled between university and work. Honestly when I land in Australia, I'm game for anything, big 4, mid-tier, small firms. As long as its accounting related , and I can get CPA qualified. I can say the accounting standards being used is similar as Malaysia now is using MFRS which is based on IFRS, exactly the same what Aus is using whr their version is AFRS. How old are you pete?

And I saw that on another post of yours, you apply offshore. Now I don't know the extent of your experience, but as what nemesis says, I think its still worth considering holding on to your PR if you have the time and money. Like what nemesis says, after 2 years, u can keep your PR and at the same time qualify for Centerlink which is a big help. Just don't go on to live and regret losing your PR looking at the state of Malaysia now.

Btw, applying offshore, chances of even getting an interview is almost next to none even for very senior executives. Unless its regional and they have no supply of candidates OR its highly specialised. Unfortunately, our profession is not very niche. Cheers.
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post Sep 4 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 4 2013, 09:53 PM)
Well, my friend. i was once like u who actually taking pride of goin back malaysia. that was 10 years ago. I bringing my brain and degree back try to serve my country for good. A bunch of our malaysian, singaporean and hongkees... all applied for PR that time like 40 of them. few of us come back to serve for king and country. I did try to apply, gonna DIY and fill up the forms ready to submit but at the end i refuse to log in. Going back malaysia is a very wrong decision for me that time. Went back work in KL, start pay at RM1600/mth. Compare AUD3000/mth those days is peanuts. But i the price for pride is cut ur pay.
Work like hell, OT everyday, luckily OT each mth can get RM1k. If not, die faster.
2008, a friend of mine migrated. Ask me to join him and i assessed my qualification, still eligible. No IELTS required tat time. I still don't wanna go. Thinking malaysia still got hope, plenty of opportunities.
2011, following with political turmoil, fed up with political scandal and bullshit. Start sourcing my info and damn, need IELTS. All documents checked. Apply on MAy 2012. Approved JAn 2013. Enter July2013, start work mid August 2013

Summary, pride kills u. U've to pay for that. No one cares for ur personal matters. They only cares how much money u earn, how long u can OT and make sure u don't take leave. Letter appointment all unfair. No one would fight for u. When u're ill lying at home, they only care when can u start work. All bosses back home always say u must work 10hrs to learn things then only u can earn high salary. I worked 10 hrs each day for 10 years. Just try to put food on the table.
Even b4 i left KL, jobs always come to me. giving offers to jump ship. But i had it enough. I'm done!
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very very true. good luck to those in the mid-30s. Always remember, belum cuba belum tahu smile.gif
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post Sep 6 2013, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Sep 6 2013, 09:49 AM)
Chinese just like to show off in here. I feel goosebump whenever I see those number plates with I <3 <girl's name>. But they can easily change the rego if they broke up anyway

So tomorrow is an election day and both parties still 50-50. My colleagues still don't even know who to vote and just follow friends on that day doh.gif
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What are the different manifestos being offered by both politicians? A summary will be great! smile.gif
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post Sep 10 2013, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Sep 10 2013, 12:49 PM)
Just fyi, if anyone really really want to get aussie pr, its actually very easy. Just park ~aud 2m (forgot what is the min but aud2m should be enough) in investable cash and you get priority processing. No need to fret about ielts or whatnot.
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If any1 has AUD 2 million, I dont think migrating to Aus is on top of their wish list.
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post Sep 11 2013, 01:13 PM

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Does anyone knows how the newly arrived resident's waiting period works?

The thing is I was granted permanent residency onshore somewhere in August 2011. But, after my PR was granted, I went overseas to accept a job offer and have been overseas ever since.

So, when I arrive in Australia next year, will I have to serve a newly arrived resident waiting period? If yes, how is it calculated? I have read on their website that any time spent in Australia as a resident can be counted towards the waiting period. What does this sentence means? Many thanks..cheers!
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post Sep 11 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Sep 11 2013, 02:25 PM)
your PR is valid for 5 years..you only need to renew if you want to leave Australia after 5 years.. (for eg, holiday)
but in order to renew (RRV) you need to spend at least 2 years in Aus out of the 5 years.. search for RRV in the Aus Dimia website to get more information..
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Thanks but i am not talking about resident return visa. I am talking about the waiting period before we have access to centerlink benefits. Cheers
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post Sep 11 2013, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Sep 11 2013, 03:43 PM)
do you have kids ? if you do, u can get the family benefits immediately after you step foot in Aus land..(goto Centrelink website and check)
but if you are single or married without kids, u can only claim benefits after 2 years in Aus..

im just wondering what kind of benefits you are looking at ?? im single been here for 2-3 years, im not even entitle to any centrelink benefits..
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Looking at newstart allowance. Nope no kids. Maybe you are not entitled to centerlink benefits coz u have a job? From what I understand, centerlink is for those who are unemployed or financial hardship etc.
Yeah I know 2 years is the waitng period. But my situation is slightly different as I got my PR onshore in Australia and left after 1 month. So does that 1 month count towards the waiting period? Thats what I will like to know
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post Sep 11 2013, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Sep 11 2013, 06:33 PM)
u need to provide proof you cant get a job and u got no money (limited) in your account..
on the years of residence im not too sure, but you can email or call Centrelink to check when you are here..
my advise is dont depend on Centrelink if you can..
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Any consequences for depending on Centrelink? I mean if you are jobless, its ok to get help ya? Of course, not purposely rotting the system la.
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post Sep 11 2013, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 11 2013, 07:20 PM)
Pretty small. My friend ACCA grad can't get into big 4 and jobless for 9 mths
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ACCA recognition is very narrow in Aus from what I know
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post Sep 11 2013, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Sep 11 2013, 09:27 PM)
I heard your credit rating will be bad. Hard to get loan,etc

Don't mark my words though
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Hmm, seems valid point. But, credit rating is based on assessment on ability to pay correct? So, if on Centrelink, isin't it a known that you are jobless and have no income and then shouldn't get a loan in the 1st place?
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post Sep 12 2013, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 12 2013, 06:49 AM)
They even have these so called newstart allowance. Fresh graduate who starting to find work get some money. This is a very stupid allowance. doh.gif
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I have to disagree its a stupid allowance. If it was you and you were looking for a job, helps alot. But then again, there are those who will always take advantage

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