Haha i got cumulative and consecutive mixed up lol. Yea....as long as u spend a total of 2 years in Aus before applying for an RRV, doesn't matter how often you go in and out of Aus. Correct?

crap, mine is expiring next year. i haven't done the 2 years.

reason for me staying put is because my dad had a sudden near death experience, luckily i was around to take care of him.

if i reapply also hard, right?

It depends. I dont know since I dont work for immigration

job market in Oz sucks. i got CPA friends that migrated there, can;t even get stable jobs. My cousin who is engineering grad in Melb, could not get an engineer job, end up doing waitering.

Thats why i delay going.

But now i see our economy like sinking ship. Cost going up, GST coming in and subsidy cut - migration looking more feasible.

Some more BN encouraging us to migrate - tak suka, hijrah la.

It is not a good time to go there now.

The Australia recession starts and will last for the next 5 years at least. It is a mining bust now.

So, go else where and gain professional experience is way better than bugger flipping skills in your resume.

when economy booming hard to find job, when economy down even worst. I remember when 1996 recession in Oz so bad, that my uncle who lived there for 10 years had to return back to msia with his family because couldn't find a job. Back then unemployment rate was 20%.

what is affecting Oz? Is it because USA Fed is drawing down their bond buying? I know China is slowing down a lot and concentrating more on local demand.

Wat were your cpa friend's experiences like? Big 4? Mnc's? Any aus experience previously?

Booming is not too hard to find a job. Now it could be more then 20% unemployment.

Australia was expecting the mining boom to continue from China as their biggest client. But last year China has slowed down their buying due to America 17 trillion debt drama. The boom became a bust. Most metals (except iron) and coal are affected by the bust.

Not to mention a lot of IT jobs had been outsourced to India. Manufacturing is closing down as well. Only booming industry is their LNG/CSG projects. So dont really think it is a good time to go there now with their major source of economy being bust.

The forecast of the unemployment is expecting to rise this year. So, if anyone wants to join the crowd and even compete for a burger flipping job, be my guest.

This post has been edited by razo2: Feb 6 2014, 07:27 AM

I've been saying that about australia for some time now.
Next to go down are the banks coz of their abnormally large exposures to mining sector. Then it will be a domino effect unless the RBA steps in and do zmtg drastic. Expect further retrenchments

This post has been edited by robertchoo: Feb 6 2014, 09:44 AM

Its mainly a structural and costing problem leading to uncompetitive pricing, rise of competing mines from cheaper countries, high AUD and waning chinese demand for commodities.

No surprise there. Even the government wont bail out Qantas, dont expect them to bail out these puppies as well.

Wait till the housing bubble burst as well. That will be a bigger problem.

No aus experience.

He was Aus grad. Work in EY for 4 years. After that in Siemens then in HP as manager.

I understand that Aus experience counts, but he was a top student with honors, can't even find an accounting job, not even bookeeping !

I see that many employers don't really look into top students if they don't have the experience they need. Ya, that may sound silly but you can find most of the fresh grad jobs require 1-2 years experience

THey also don't need a fully nerd to do the job. THey need someone who has critical thinking and can think out of the box all the time. Top students can easily get into interview session but you have to be confident so that they can notice you.

And again, it is always not easy for non-local to compete with local for a job. This is the same in Malaysia,etc.

Yeah, i can't imagine going there and working with 21 year olds, just graduated, earning same pay as me and same level.

I have a friend who worked for PWC as manager for 5 years, when he migrated, he took up a job as a one man account manager, do bookeeping use MYOB system. Not bad, earn AUD100k a year. But it is kind of a low level job. If let say any big recession were to happen in Oz, he is forced to find job in msia, his experience won't count for much.

I am very sure though those with more experience are better adept to critical thinking tthan fresh grads. The only advantage the fresh grads got over the experienced ones, is maybe they are more tech savvy.

My experience mainly in manufacturing, won't count much in Oz. High exchange rate cause factories to close down.

I think his mistake was going back to Aus too late. Lots of people think that its better to gain more experience in Malaysia 1st, but I believe not too much is better. I am going back with 2 years big 4 audit experience. I planning to apply graduate jobs. So, if I were to compete with locals, at the very least I have some experience.

Your friend probably has a tons of experience and that is why employers are reluctant to hire even for bookkeeping jobs. Because they know that you friend will cabut as soon as a better offer comes. For senior level jobs in other companies, like most forumers said, they can find some1 with local exp. You can say your friend is stuck in the middle. My 2 cents la.

I think the earlier one go to australia the better. My ex gf, think she could get more experience by working one and a half year in Lafarge, the dumb lady thought it would benefit her. In the end, she went there to become a kindy teacher.

His experience was limited to audit firms. Unfortunately because he is familiar with Msia accounting stds, Big 4 in Oz, didn't want to hire him. He did got into a small 10 man accounting firm, worked for 3 years before he got the bookeeping job.

And oh yeah, working in Oz is very volatile. I can't recall, i think it was back in 2006, when sub prime happened, Oz was still doing well economically, but employers there panicked and started to lay off people. My friend lost his bookeeping job back then. His wife worked for an Oz bank, she lost her job too because her job role was replaced by cheap labor in Bangalore, India.

Its not easy to work for aussies. I hear some good stories, nice aussie bosses but i also hear nightmare aussie bosses. Its not like here, that they need to take three disciplinary sessions, before they terminate you. In Oz, got no protection at all. The boss don't like you, he or she can just terminate you, am i right to say?

Not to pour cold water on you but graduates jobs in Australia are only available for people who graduated with a maximum 2 years ago. Better off finding entry level jobs and do not be bothered by the fact that you may work along fresh grads and at the same time hold the same pay. Otherwise I wish you all the best =)

not 100% agree. it always depends which company you working for. eg, i worked with one of the big university and they have to follow the rules/law/Fair Works before they can terminate anyone. if there is a redundancy, they will pay the redundancy compensation to permanent based on the law. same goes to my gf ex-company(malaysian boss) where they also follow the law and pay accordingly.

and if you want to be more secured, join the union board

Yeap i i agree with you. There is no job security in Aus like here in Malaysia. Every country will have good and bad bosses, but the country with better laws and enforcement will definitely be a better place to stay in. Having said all that, yes Australia is not easy to get a job, but it is definitely not impossible I believe. Truth to be said, I am not happy to work in Malaysia although I am in a good firm. Long hours, poor pay. Even if the hours is not long, the jam sure adds to it. I am only 25 this year, so to me what the heck. I am not going to throw my Malaysia passport anyway. Worse come to worse, yes I may be working in Woolworths or Coles the rest of my life. But at the very least, I won't have to fork out half a million for a good education. And I can return back to Malaysia once I have enough retirement fund after conversion. Then again, its the type of life that you want