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post Apr 30 2013, 04:23 PM

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Is there any way to secure a job in Australia without hitting the "PR" roadblock? I've graduated from an australian university in Mechanical ENgineering Last year, but coz i did 1 year as exchange student and 1 year of International student, I am only qualified as 1 year study, thus cant apply PR using "pre" skillselect rules.

I really hope to work in Australia in the future, just that, everytime i want to apply, they always ask for Permanent Residency. And if u apply anyway, why will they choose one without PR when there are many with PR? Thats what i am thinking.

Employer sponsor is always the best of course, but that is a rare chance.
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Usually companies would not hire fresh graduate without PR because for every candidate that requires a work permit, they have to justify why can't they hire someone locally.

Most of the 457 Work Permit that I've met are professionals.
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Hear hear.

I'm in a niche professional career as well and the team is multi racial. I've had Pakistani, Indian, PRChinese, Taiwanese, Malaysian, Irish and South African working in my team before.

I think most racism is experienced outside of the office.
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post Apr 30 2013, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Apr 30 2013, 04:28 PM)
Hear hear.

I'm in a niche professional career as well and the team is multi racial. I've had Pakistani, Indian, PRChinese, Taiwanese, Malaysian, Irish and South African working in my team before.

I think most racism is experienced outside of the office.
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because your country has a law about racism, to stop ppl creating it.
that's what stopping ppl doing that, especially in office.
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post May 1 2013, 05:33 PM

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I'm sure many here have relatives and friends that have migrated here to great land of Boganistan. Question is, does anyone know anyone who migrated back?

I just need to know how hard it is to get back to work in a Malaysian working environment. I've spent my working life here and am somehow apprehensive about going back, but I'm looking at making the move back to KL or to Singapore.

Aside from the hit in income, how different is working culture anyways? I've always heard great news about Singapore, but having done 7am to 6:30pm + Sat and Sun with ungodly call ups when some stupid gas well casing or compressor station kicks the bucket, it is something I rather not do.

Also do people give hiring preference to people with OnG experience? Was thinking of something cruisy for a while just to put food on the table I reckon.

Been to Aus, hit a few animals on the highway, shot a few as well, got my citizenship and now I feel like going home so I can sit my favourite mamak in Ampang Jaya or warong melayu in Dato Keramat just chill my nights away again. Just weighing my options I guess.
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post May 1 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 1 2013, 05:33 PM)
I'm sure many here have relatives and friends that have migrated here to great land of Boganistan. Question is, does anyone know anyone who migrated back?

I just need to know how hard it is to get back to work in a Malaysian working environment. I've spent my working life here and am somehow apprehensive about going back, but I'm looking at making the move back to KL or to Singapore.

Aside from the hit in income, how different is working culture anyways? I've always heard great news about Singapore, but having done 7am to 6:30pm + Sat and Sun with ungodly call ups when some stupid gas well casing or compressor station kicks the bucket, it is something I rather not do.

Also do people give hiring preference to people with OnG experience? Was thinking of something cruisy for a while just to put food on the table I reckon.

Been to Aus, hit a few animals on the highway, shot a few as well, got my citizenship and now I feel like going home so I can sit my favourite mamak in Ampang Jaya or warong melayu in Dato Keramat just chill my nights away again. Just weighing my options I guess.
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y? arent u earning good money overthere, nice climate, clean + can score some white chix + arsenal of faiya powah
here u will be seeing sour faces and rude ppl + litter everywhere + crazy traffic thats for sure. sweat.gif

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post May 1 2013, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(olman @ May 1 2013, 06:09 PM)
y? arent u earning good money overthere, nice climate, clean + can score some white chix + arsenal of faiya powah
here u will be seeing  sour faces and rude ppl + litter everywhere + crazy traffic thats for sure. sweat.gif
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Yeah, the money is good. 6 digits a year, the climate is ok I guess being Brisbane, I spend most of my time at work so no chix.

I guess home is home, can't change that fact, I want to kick back and relax a bit. Get a simple job like tuition teacher, freelance engie or something like that. Something a bit cruisy but just wondering about how hard it is to get back into the work culture.

It's not such a bad thing either way, I can always come back here if I want to.
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post May 2 2013, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 1 2013, 08:25 PM)
Yeah, the money is good. 6 digits a year, the climate is ok I guess being Brisbane, I spend most of my time at work so no chix.

I guess home is home, can't change that fact, I want to kick back and relax a bit. Get a simple job like tuition teacher, freelance engie or something like that. Something a bit cruisy but just wondering about how hard it is to get back into the work culture.

It's not such a bad thing either way, I can always come back here if I want to.
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No harm for you to come over and taste the 'hectic' working environment. i've been working for 10 years in malaysia and i'll be leaving soon in 2 mths for Oz. Just came back few days ago and it's a great environment and learning that i got so many benefits that i dun use to have.
Malaysia working lifestyle sucks! Unless you're working in multinational company with lots of employee goodies. However, this is minimal. If you just wanna experience then just go ahead. If not, just get the butt out of it.
I must say malaysia need magicians who can perform magic in their work which meeting the clients unrealistic request!
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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 1 2013, 05:33 PM)
I'm sure many here have relatives and friends that have migrated here to great land of Boganistan. Question is, does anyone know anyone who migrated back?

I just need to know how hard it is to get back to work in a Malaysian working environment. I've spent my working life here and am somehow apprehensive about going back, but I'm looking at making the move back to KL or to Singapore.

Aside from the hit in income, how different is working culture anyways? I've always heard great news about Singapore, but having done 7am to 6:30pm + Sat and Sun with ungodly call ups when some stupid gas well casing or compressor station kicks the bucket, it is something I rather not do.

Also do people give hiring preference to people with OnG experience? Was thinking of something cruisy for a while just to put food on the table I reckon.

Been to Aus, hit a few animals on the highway, shot a few as well, got my citizenship and now I feel like going home so I can sit my favourite mamak in Ampang Jaya or warong melayu in Dato Keramat just chill my nights away again. Just weighing my options I guess.
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Maybe you can try TalentCorp. They should give you some benefits..

If OnG, then it's easy. Malaysia always need ppl in the OnG industry.. and if employed by Petronas, good pay yo ......
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There are many OnG companies that is based in KL, I'm sure you'll be able to find something. Obviously you would know that being on the customer side or the vendor/service partner side is very different. If you are all for easier lifestyle then I guess joining Shell/Petronas/etc would be good for you.

On the working culture, I find that most of the Malaysian management team will shove down "do as you are told" to their employees. Surely there are instances like this in Australia but it's not a constant everyday conversation.

With MNC like Petronas and Shell, the work culture (flexi hours, good benefits) will be alright so I think you don't really need to get tuition job to enjoy life in KL.
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QUOTE(bysquashy @ May 2 2013, 07:17 AM)
There are many OnG companies that is based in KL, I'm sure you'll be able to find something. Obviously you would know that being on the customer side or the vendor/service partner side is very different. If you are all for easier lifestyle then I guess joining Shell/Petronas/etc would be good for you.

On the working culture, I find that most of the Malaysian management team will shove down "do as you are told" to their employees. Surely there are instances like this in Australia but it's not a constant everyday conversation.

With MNC like Petronas and Shell, the work culture (flexi hours, good benefits) will be alright so I think you don't really need to get tuition job to enjoy life in KL.
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Well, i'm not trying to demotivate you guys on OnG companies especially Petronas. My dad worked in Petronas for 30 years. Yes, the benefit is good and i was insured with company medical care till i finish my uni. But nowadays is different from last time as mostly they require Bumi to enter (Sorry to Malays, i have no intention to highlight the racist remarks but this is the truth). For other races if you wish to enter, you must be good and real good in your academic and not just a bookworm. For Malays, it's far more easy to enter and simply can promoted to management level.
Previously under Hassan Merican management, he's damn good malay leader who treat everyone equal. That's why in his top management team got multiracial. He's emphasizing working performance instead of colour. It's pity that he left for Singapore.
Don't forget that other OnG company paycheck has to be equalise or below Petronas as there's one time, lots of malaysian were recruited by middle east OnG company with double or triple pay.

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 1 2013, 05:33 PM)
I'm sure many here have relatives and friends that have migrated here to great land of Boganistan. Question is, does anyone know anyone who migrated back?

I just need to know how hard it is to get back to work in a Malaysian working environment. I've spent my working life here and am somehow apprehensive about going back, but I'm looking at making the move back to KL or to Singapore.
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I personally know people who came back (yes more than one!). I've personally done it myself although after more than a decade in the US.

It's not hard. Maybe I've been lucky but the work environment I've been in has been reasonably respectful and stress free. Yes I worked for an oil major, and am working for another not so major energy company now.
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post May 3 2013, 04:46 PM

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It ain't hard to get a job in Malaysia, it's just the matter of pay and working schedule. You'll get pressure and stress all the time not because of your working attitude or capabilities, but the unreasonable request from client or who ever your pay master is.
What you'll sacrifice is your quality time with your loved ones.
Maybe this is differ from anyone here but this is surely happens in malaysia. If you're single then fine, but if you're committed to family, then it's totally different story.

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 2 2013, 11:45 AM)
Well, i'm not trying to demotivate you guys on OnG companies especially Petronas. My dad worked in Petronas for 30 years. Yes, the benefit is good and i was insured with company medical care till i finish my uni. But nowadays is different from last time as mostly they require Bumi to enter (Sorry to Malays, i have no intention to highlight the racist remarks but this is the truth). For other races if you wish to enter, you must be good and real good in your academic and not just a bookworm. For Malays, it's far more easy to enter and simply can promoted to management level.
Previously under Hassan Merican management, he's damn good malay leader who treat everyone equal. That's why in his top management team got multiracial. He's emphasizing working performance instead of colour. It's pity that he left for Singapore.
Don't forget that other OnG company paycheck has to be equalise or below Petronas as there's one time, lots of malaysian were recruited by middle east OnG company with double or triple pay.
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I am sorry to tell you that your assumption is wrong. Empire23 is a Malay. So based on what u've just said, he needs not worry if he were to apply for Petronas when he returns Malaysia. laugh.gif

Anyway, I have seen more and more young non-Malays in Petronas. I am one of their direct-hired non-bumi and non-scholar employees. If you're not the one working in it, don't talk like you know everything.

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QUOTE(klein @ May 3 2013, 08:03 PM)
I am sorry to tell you that your assumption is wrong. Empire23 is a Malay. So based on what u've just said, he needs not worry if he were to apply for Petronas when he returns Malaysia. laugh.gif

Anyway, I have seen more and more young non-Malays in Petronas. I am one of their direct-hired non-bumi and non-scholar employees. If you're not the one working in it, don't talk like you know everything.
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Thanks for highlighting this and it's great to know something from you. But i must highlight one thing is that it is true that many non-bumi employee has been recruited but later you won't go that far to top management level. I was in MLNG.
Petronas is the highest pay in malaysia but not internationally. There's time Petronas 30% people employee being recruited to overseas.
Well, i wish Empire23 luck coz what you're saying is true he'll have better prospect. For you i wish you good luck as i telling ya is truth nothing but the truth. I'm here not to show i'm superior or what so if i offended someone then i'm sorry. PEACE!
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At the moment, it seems that o&g industry in Perth is being hitted by shortage of project, how about other industry?
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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 1 2013, 05:33 PM)
I'm sure many here have relatives and friends that have migrated here to great land of Boganistan. Question is, does anyone know anyone who migrated back?

I just need to know how hard it is to get back to work in a Malaysian working environment. I've spent my working life here and am somehow apprehensive about going back, but I'm looking at making the move back to KL or to Singapore.

Aside from the hit in income, how different is working culture anyways? I've always heard great news about Singapore, but having done 7am to 6:30pm + Sat and Sun with ungodly call ups when some stupid gas well casing or compressor station kicks the bucket, it is something I rather not do.

Also do people give hiring preference to people with OnG experience? Was thinking of something cruisy for a while just to put food on the table I reckon.

Been to Aus, hit a few animals on the highway, shot a few as well, got my citizenship and now I feel like going home so I can sit my favourite mamak in Ampang Jaya or warong melayu in Dato Keramat just chill my nights away again. Just weighing my options I guess.
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If you want a cruisy lifestyle, forget about working in SG.

Its competitive as hell now with many local Singaporeans and other foreign nationalities (esp Europeans, Americans and now even Latin Americans and the usual Asian immigrants i.e. Indian, Chinese, Philipino, Thais, Indonesians, etc) all vying for any position on offer.

Employers have a dearth of options with people willing to work more for less (as it is better than having no job at all in Europe where the unemployment is high) while economically, as a whole, SG is not doing that well or at least well enough to support the employment of all foreigners.

Inflation is climbing as a result of influx of foreigners looking for rental/homes/food, etc while wages are stagnant as employers continue to look for cheaper alternatives. Somebody is always at the side waiting to replace you.


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QUOTE(robertchoo @ May 30 2013, 12:26 PM)
If you want a cruisy lifestyle, forget about working in SG.

Its competitive as hell now with many local Singaporeans and other foreign nationalities (esp Europeans, Americans and now even Latin Americans and the usual Asian immigrants i.e. Indian, Chinese, Philipino, Thais, Indonesians, etc) all vying for any position on offer.

Employers have a dearth of options with people willing to work more for less (as it is better than having no job at all in Europe where the unemployment is high) while economically, as a whole, SG is not doing that well or at least well enough to support the employment of all foreigners.

Inflation is climbing as a result of influx of foreigners looking for rental/homes/food, etc while wages are stagnant as employers continue to look for cheaper alternatives. Somebody is always at the side waiting to replace you.
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I think it turn up to be a turmoil now. SG controlling immigrants and benefit is not as good as years back.
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QUOTE(tishaban @ Dec 16 2011, 05:11 PM)
That's an excellent summary. I guess it's more of the grass is always greener on the other side? Or... ?
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I believe you worked in the US for like 10 years before you came back. Then, you also applied for PR to go to Oz. What's your take/reason from migrating to Oz then ? Thanks.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Jun 3 2013, 03:47 PM)
I believe you worked in the US for like 10 years before you came back. Then, you also applied for PR to go to Oz. What's your take/reason from migrating to Oz then ? Thanks.
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Good question, the trigger was sometime in 2008/9 I think me and my wife decided that we were bored of working/living in Malaysia so we decided to apply for something else and the Aussie PR was reasonably easy to get. Compared to the UK, Canada and the US, Australia was then booming in the industries I was interested in (energy) with decent weather and access to Malaysia.

But I haven't migrated (yet?) because the Aussie economy is now tanking, plus I will have to put a lot more effort into getting a higher paying job in Australia since I'm already making decent money here. I'm also a bit turned off by the kampung attitude by some Aussies but that doesn't seem to be a major issue in the major cities.

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Jun 3 2013, 05:07 PM)
Good question, the trigger was sometime in 2008/9 I think me and my wife decided that we were bored of working/living in Malaysia so we decided to apply for something else and the Aussie PR was reasonably easy to get. Compared to the UK, Canada and the US, Australia was then booming in the industries I was interested in (energy) with decent weather and access to Malaysia.

But I haven't migrated (yet?) because the Aussie economy is now tanking, plus I will have to put a lot more effort into getting a higher paying job in Australia since I'm already making decent money here. I'm also a bit turned off by the kampung attitude by some Aussies but that doesn't seem to be a major issue in the major cities.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but last I heard Aussie is devaluating the AUD and trying to slash interest rates in order to remain competitive.
Meanwhile miners continue to retrench staff due to the high wages and cut cost to remain competitive and profitable.
Lots of Aussie are looking out and I see many of them migrating to Asia for better opportunities.
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