An alternative would be to issue fines according to income. i.e. for a major offense it could be 10% of the income. So if someone poor speeds, he will have to pay maybe RM 100. But someone who earns well would have to pay RM 5000, and too feel a bit of pain. And of course loosing the license.

Then again, thank god they don't do that, or else I'd be without license pretty fast. Been very lucky so far.

Aren't big CC cars heavier? So they aren't as agile. More comfortable though, and if the Mazda CX-5 is anything to judge by the FC can even be lower than with the turbocharged downsized engines. (However you do save in road tax with small engines, and they are fun to drive with their massive torque at low rpm).

If you were one of the first owners of the BMW Mini you could drive it for a year or so and then sell it for more than you paid for it. And of course a few classics also gain in value, Ferrari 250 GTO for example.

Think if I can afford a V8 luxury sedan I don't care about brand image anymore. I'd be above that.

Btw., if you go to Europe do go to Prague and spend at least a few days there. Might be the most beautiful town in Europe.

Think a Prius C would be perfect for your wife. Although some cars do offer additional safety features like lane assist, radar guided cruise control, auto braking etc. That would help too.

Mercedes used to be very popular in Europe, particularly Germany, because they'd last forever (and give a comfortable ride). So the higher price was entirely justified. Many of these cars drive 1 million km and more (that also includes new E classes, as long as it is the Diesel). However nowadays brands like Skoda have cars that are just as reliable, but for a fraction of the cost (VW would be similar, however the price is higher for the same tech). So other brands are gaining in popularity as a taxi. Mind you taking a taxi can be extremely expensive, unlike over here.
Apparently in Africa Mercedes are also popular taxis (together with some very old Peugeots etc.), also because they run forever. Basically they drive the cars that can't be run in Europe anymore, and they drive them forever. Basically a second life.

No ECON mode. Just a green light indicator to show that you drive economically. If you push the accelerator hard or exceed 140km/h, the light will turn off.

Ok if tats the case the 2.0 model acceleration nt so convincing. Nx time needs to kick harder to drive fast

Sure it isnt. What do you expect from a 10 yr old engine and gearbox with low hp and marginal torque?

What engine is used in K5 Malaysia? Is it Theta II or Theta II GDI turbo?
I wonder when was the Theta II engine founded? 2005?

I think you need to examine the figures yourself more closely

For a 10 year old engine (not tranny) - the torque and power figures are still nearly on par with what the Koreans are offering right now. Despite it being an old engine, it's still more powerful than the latest dual VVT-i 2.0L engine found in the Corolla Altis.

KIA K5 vs Camry 2.0G vs Teana 2.0L vs Honda Accord 2.0 VTi

121.4kW @ 6200RPM & 198Nm @ 4600RPM
109kW @ 6000RPM & 190Nm @ 4000RPM
100kW @5600RPM & 190Nm @ 4400RPM (MR20DE introduced 2005)
115kW @ 6300RPM & 189Nm @ 4300RPM (R20A3 introduced 2007)

Look at the figures and break it down yourself! Aside from the power ratings, the torque figures are more or less the same across the board. And the Camry gets its full torque at a lower RPM compared to its rivals as well, and good torque figures is what you want in bumper to bumper traffic or city driving.

I think the engine is good enough even with today's standards and despite it being first introduced 12 years ago, it still remains competitive against its rivals.

So if you want to complain about the engine being old tech, it's not so valid since it still stands toe to toe with all its rivals. You have a better case complaining about its really lame 4 speed auto instead.

Camry is for NVH and comfort. If you need power in 2.0 range and equal budget, Honda Accord would be your choice.

Yaya ,, i think altis 2.0 ord powerful enuf

For him..k5 is always better den Camry..he will come out all the facts to defend himself which sometimes don even make sense..if he has no other facts he will said don be childish..
Most of.his facts only vsc against the Camry..

No only his facts against absence of vsc but also the old engine about 2.0 camry , give him some time la as



It took him 9 test drives and months of research to overcome his fear of owning a kia....

It's gonna take him 9 years to bash Camry in this thread to make himself feel better about owning a kia...

This post has been edited by michspc: Aug 7 2012, 08:06 PM

No, but to still give a 4AT in this day and age, it's really quite bad.

The 2.0L Camry engine probably isn't as fuel efficient on its own against its competitors, I mean after all, it has been 12 years but on paper, both power and torque looks alright. The 2.0L offering wouldn't have looked so horrendously outdated had Toyota offered a CVT tranny or 5/6 automatic transmission in place of the 4speed AT.

Agree, when we look at most of the latest D-segment car in Malaysia, most of the car manufacturer had make transition to 6 speed gearbox (Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata, Peugeot 508), Dual Clutch Transmission (Ford Mondeo, VW Passat), or CVT (Suzuki Kizashi, Nissan Teana). But latest 2.0 liter engine Camry still offer outdated 4 speed auto gearbox.

Since is 4 speed Auto, the gear ratio is also wide, meaning the engine can't efficiently using the power band of the engine compare to other car using 6 speed gearbox, which the fc will suffer as well.

Whr are your other responses to my earlier statements on safety? How come u stopped replying? U finally realised that you dug your own grave ah?

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Added on August 7, 2012, 9:52 pmAlright as u say the Toyota 2.0L engine is old but still good rite? I agree its good for the age of the engine. As Kepala Pening pointed out the Kia 2.0L MPI is also an old engine. So whats your view on the new Toyota 2.5L engine then? If im not mistaken it has 169Hp compared to the Kia 2.4L GDI (non turbo) with 200Hp rite? So whats your view on that? How has technology advanced for Toyota now?

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Added on August 7, 2012, 9:54 pmU should know the answer rite? Yes the MPI is not as new as the other 2 but the only reason why Kia has not brought in both those engines is because of the fuel quality in Malaysia or so im told. Does Toyota offer a more powerful 2.0L or 2.5L engine outside Malaysia or is it the same 2.5L used elsewhere? Whats the power of the 2.5L engine in comparison with Kia's 2.4L GDI (non turbo)?

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Aug 7 2012, 09:57 PM

i don really know about the all the facts you crapping but i did know recently i see more new camry den ur K5..so this time what facts are you going to tell me?

no doubt many will buy camry, it is the best investment for the owners, i got camry ah, you got a not?

wah camry oh. must be damn good oh? so uncle you must be very proud to own a camry. Sure good one...

Kia, uncle cannot accept lah, too young, later they say i drive my son's car. pai seh only, wait all my uncle friend laugh at me. then i cannot join them for yum char because i drive K5, nothing to share. Cause my friend all drive Camry mah, all the same mah. So we got topic to yum cha loh.

many buy because they were told to do so, many buy because many want security. Many also buy because they want to blend into their group.



This post has been edited by sonyman: Aug 7 2012, 11:18 PM

Come on, admit lah, the new camry 2.0 is kind of crap.
I ask my 10 fren, 10/10 said UGLY interior and exterior !
Only uncle who takut mati will say camry good.
Admit lah, uncle uncle sekalian.
No point argue, in short: camry is ugly & old tech & no safety features but got higher resale value.
At rm160k, I will without 2nd thought, get the Passat CKD.
Even my father after seeing the new camry, also kepala -pening, how can a legendary camry become such ugly & super kosong ! Previous gen camry is good look btw.

sir, as i understand the current 2.0e/g is almost identically specced as the previose version.

the advantage is now its assemble here, and new look fresh in the market.

the bold grille and back are in line with current design trends of big grille and squarish butt

so friend. are u uncle enough to drive camry?

the majority target of camry owner, couldnt care less 3/4/5/6/7/8 speed.

why should toyota change?

and the car will generellay be more gently driven, resulting in less wear/tear, lasting longer and more reliable.


camry does not compete on power, because its market are ppl who want basic transport that is reliability and do not want to pay too much for the bells and whistles. that is the market catered to. for the slightly more discerning buyer there is the 2.5L for more oomph and higher trim.

speccing the car indentical or highly similar to other makes, is going head on in a comeptition that is not necessary.

what i mean to say is, the audience is specific. and toyota are happy getting the market share of this audience.

its unlikely ppl want to drive the same car as everyone else. but in term of brand perception by the buyers, korean is still behind japanese. maybe that will no longer hold in future, maybe even now, but brand perception is not easy to changed.

the last thing i want to do is whine about my korean/whatever car that is giving me problem when i yuumcha.

if u refer to me, yes, i drove this model for a couple of years.

great car.