CBU I guess

Accident is called accident for a reason what. Call it bad luck, call it suay or whatever. You can drive safe but that don't mean other people will do the same what. Better to have than not to have at the end of the day, but if you can live with it then no problem la

There are sufficient articles on the net about the importance of VSC. Even Paultan has come out with a specific article pushing all Malaysians to demand for VSC in cars. If VSC wasnt important why would it be made compulsory in the America and the European Union? Read up the various articles and ull then understand the importance of VSC regardless if ure a good driver or otherwise.

No thats not what he meant. Ure obviously not reading and understanding correctly. Cannot afford a car with VSC and not realising the importance of VSC are 2 totally different things.

We are not talking about affordability here. This is a thread about the Camry. If someone can pay between 150-181K for a car, affordability is not an issue. Even the Proton Preve has got VSC and it only costs RM72K+.

Bro, i think you had better stop commenting as its clear that you dont understand what VSC is and what we're trying to tell you here. So we'll agree to disagree. If you think VSC is not important for you or your family then so be it. But as for us here, we are very clear on the importance of VSC and thus we will continue to vouch for it.

But here are some articles that you may or may not find useful:

http://paultan.org/2012/06/27/esp-stabilit...-in-their-cars/

http://paultan.org/2007/04/16/all-us-cars-...ontrol-by-2011/

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/electronic...-cars-50006253/

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/35060/fed...atory-from-2011

http://www.wabco-auto.com/nc/media-center-...BpL%5D=31535999

If this doesnt change your mind, then nothing else will except maybe a real life accident.

No doubt VSC is important. Thanks to you guys.

The new Camry 2.5V did came with newer engine, dual VVTi + ACIS, EBD, TRC, etc.

Yes, traction control is not removed. Please check their website. Only VSC is absent.

How does the lacked of one feature makes the new Camry a crap as compared to Kia K5, as some of you guys here said?

Don't forget that the aero-corner design that reduces drag. Remember, KL to Perlis for only RM 60 (I don't care about L/km or km/L). Even some of the people here have doubt on the figure. But, this is the truth.

I don't drive a K5 btw, LOL. so don't drag me in it.

Value is very subjective and measured differently by each different individual

In this respect, if you stack the Camry against all its competitors, it will look very very bad because it's as bare as bare can be. It's kind of like brand A phone vs all other brands.

If you consider the Camry based on its size, comfort, NVH, after sales and resale value etc, then it will look much more promising.

At the end of the day, I think it just boils down to how much you like the car to buy it, LOL!

So which aprt of his post do you agree or disagree with? Lets hear it.

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Added on July 18, 2012, 4:20 pm

This was your original question. Nothing to do with Kia or any other brand.

Perhaps, he's working hard to make k5 popular in order to improve the resale value. 

Farking good eh? 

A 2010 Kia Forte 2.0SX costs about RM 76K now (new price was RM 93,800).

So thats a drop of 19% in 2 years. But we all know that the % of drop in the first 3 years is the highest compared to subsequent years, so i would expect a 5 yr old Forte 2.0SX to retain about 60% of its value in 5 yrs while the Camry retains 70%.

A difference of between 10-12%. Doesnt look so bad eh?

So if you can't use the Camry to 'fight' me, you go looking for a Hilux now? Grow up la kiddo. 

The Forte is the first among Korean cars to enjoy good sales and thus relatively good resale values. Yes its not on par with the Japs for sure but compared to previous generation Koreans which could not even retain 50% of their value after 5 yrs, i think the current breed of cars are doing much better. Since the Forte, more and more Korean models are being released with much higher standards of technology, build quality & ride comfort. As long as they keep their pricing to acceptable levels, i see a bright future for Hyundai & Kia.

But do keep in mind, that this competition from the Koreans is good for all of us even if you dont own a Kia/Hyundai. Other makes have realised the Korean potential and are starting to give users better options, better tech at more affordable pricing. In the end its a win win situation for all.

Now can we get back to the safety discussion? Im more interested in that.

No such thing as best. Every car has its positive and negative.

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Added on August 3, 2012, 9:43 am

What other Kia model do i have to compare with la doink? The Forte is the only Kia where u can check resale values since it was launched earlier. Think a bit la bro. 

I should say is Trust instead of love.

If you know the headache of repair car then you know why alot ppl prefer reliable car 

say the difference between new car and old car loan interest is 1.1% (3.5-2.4%, roughly). Loan make 9 years, so it will be 9.9%, making the total price difference closer than ever. Plus, new car warranty(since u say repair is headache), why would ppl wanna buy 2nd, instead of getting new?

im not comparing toyota with others, im just comparing a 7years old hilux with a new hilux, which has total price difference ard just ~30%.

7 years !!
u TRUST previous owner of HILUX only drive the car gently ??? have u seen the hilux advertisement, what/where the car suppose to be driven?

cheers

Not the safest car in this forum, but at least safer than Camry and Accord

Its because of ppl like you that i need to keep repeating my statements over n over again.

There is no point comparing previous generation Korean makes cuz everybody knows most of them were CRAP and had VERY POOR RESALE VALUES. We're now talking about the NEW GENERATION models coming from Kia & Hyundai.

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