In such extreme cases I doubt if even ESP can save them.

It would be quite simple for you to check by going to Toyota Saudi Arabia's website: http://www.toyota.com.sa/en/specs.asp?model_id=4

According to the reference that you have provided, only the SE limited version would has the VSC installed.
However, how did you know that the car is not the SE limited?

This post has been edited by kepalapening: Jul 2 2012, 08:22 AM

you are right - there's a limit to the safety features in your car that's why despite whatever safety feature, GOA body and all that stuff, you cannot defy the laws of physics or common sense when driving! With ESP, it helps reduces the chances of an impending accident by 30-35% as statistics has shown. Honestly I'd rather have a car with ESP than without it - you will never know when you need it.

UMW is trying to make more and more profit by not having ESP in the vehicle but i think this is a big mistake. They are lucky it's not the US here - most people in malaysia are ignorant about the benefits of ESP - some even think EBD and ESP are the same thing!!! I'm speechless...

P/S: Oh and guys, please don't make excuses for Toyota and that ESP won't help in X or Y situation...ESP is an essential safety feature and it SAVES LIVES.

This post has been edited by CyberKewl: Jul 2 2012, 08:26 AM

I did not say anything about whether the car in the video is the SE Limited or not. I simply provided a link for you to get more info. If you'd like to know more, you can do further research.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jul 2 2012, 08:34 AM

Go check the exterior features that the SE Limited has. I dont see it in the model in the video. Plus this car was used for drifting. When ppl drift, they will off the ESC as that prevents drifting.

Thats why u need to always check and double check stuff before posting. I checked b4 i said that the model could be one without VSC.

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Added on July 2, 2012, 10:04 amWell said. The more excuses Malaysians make for not having these safety features, the more backward this country gets. As long as we continue to tell ourself that Malaysia is good, we will never see how other countries have improved.

Its a fact that Malaysians do not give enough emphasis on safety and as long as we have ppl still buying inferior products, companies like Toyota will continue to profit.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 2 2012, 10:07 AM

Fault is not UMW, it's Toyota. UMW only guilty for profiteering, Toyota is the company that decides the spec for the entire world and they've decided the SE.Asia region can do without VSC and TRC

maybe they suppose owner here doesn't drive fast enuf so no VSC and TRC

AFAIK, only the Camry hybrids are fully equipped with all the goodies and they don't sell them here in Malaysia but these hybrids are being sold in other parts of SE.Asia.

You can come to a few conclusion with this info:

1. Toyota is profiteering

and/or

2. Toyota is pushing hard for people to switch to hybrid by making the petrol variant packed with less features

If you guys/gals haven't already noticed, the Japanese aren't jumping on the whole smaller engine with turbos bandwagon, instead they're offering more and more hybrid variants of their more popular cars.

so how come i wonder in the USA they dont remove the VSC and reduce the airbags to 2? why only we have to paymore and get less, while US consumers get more and pay less. Because we asians are stupid in buying a car?

not possible right. IF so then there is definitely an unfairness in our so call car industry, my life value is not as high as an America, if an American die in an accident, Toyota will pay them, we asian, Die in a camry, toyota say it is your fault?

how about China? is it because USA is the biggest contributor so Toyota must follow USA rules and regulation? So you malaysians are not as valuable as american's u can mati katak no one cares.

is this the statement UMW And Toyota is trying to tell us?

because the regulations in US are much stricter and they are actually enforced...

malaysia have regulation but is it actually enforced?
look who we have as transport minister?

having regulation and enforcing it is different then having a regulation but no enforcement is done...



if u cant understand this article below.... i got nothing to say
http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/04/13/adopting-...si-lemak-stall/

Top 50 models in May 2012

except for Toyota, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, MINI and Lexus.

by brands Market Report for May 2012 (Brands).

It says: "Model data for Toyota, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, MINI and Lexus are not available as the distributors are unwilling to supply the information to the MAA due to concerns about the Competition Act."

I wonder why they don't wish to disclose the sales info? What have they got to hide? In particular for Toyota since previously they supplied the info to MAA.

Maybe their sales have surpassed Perodua and Proton LOLZ

The statistics shows that Malaysian buy cars based on the price. The cheaper the car's price, most probably will be the most popular. It is always about what they can get the most (based on their needs) for the money that they have.

Most Malaysian will avoid Korean cars. I myself have been using a Korean MPV for almost 7 years. I bought that vehicle since it is the most affordable MPV with huge engine at that time.

Will I consider another Korean car. I would say no. If Exora comes with a 2.5L engine and a bigger body size, I will choose it.

The government tax is high. Our currency rate is low. Hence, most of us don't have many choices. For a D segment with a 2.5L engine, the most affordable cars are from the Japanese manufacturers. As I said, I would avoid Korean car for whatever reason. BTW, it's my personal preferences.

If a continental car is affordable (need to consider the maintenance costs as well), I would have chosen an Audi or Volvo.

This post has been edited by kepalapening: Jul 2 2012, 05:52 PM

similar with technology. like develop countries always get experience on hand with lastest tech. while most of 3rd world country actually using up the old tech such for the part exist. This is business afterall. Unless you buy from oversea and import it yourself. CKD is the behind of all this.

check BMW F30 320d instead. 1st import batch inclusive Navi. CKD is without navi.
Merc C200 similar.
You all can fight all you want for the Camry. Did you review others cars?
Accord equip with Navi in oversea. here? none
VW passat oversea for park assist
K5 oversea got navi and also most of the engine were 2.0 GDI turbo.

summary,
you all feel ripe off? yes.
180k lack of 1 safety features but hell is still 180k car you can afford. Which oversea conversion = 60k which you can buy S class with income 1/3 of oversea should be proud of yourself.


PS: for those will say Navi no important. try to check oversea demand of navi car. Is like regular must have features same like safety. If your car don't have navi, then they will said your car was in the 90's

just my 2cent. please don't hate me. I sense alot endless arguement here.

Dude, you are right, overseas vehicle most of it got Navi, but in Malaysia, only certain vehicle have this features, even the so highly rated (gadgets only) Kia K5, also without the Navi as well. keep arguing about the ESC or VSC is endless because I myself have seen an accident right in front of me and the other one was my colleague, both cars are highly equiped safety features and should be very safe, but both lost control during raining. For me got VSC or ESC is better than none, but also need to drive safely and must remember, get a set of good tires is more than anything.

This is what I'm trying to say all this while.

are u crazy man?

u are saying this to a man who bought a Kia?

that guy will come with all gun blazing. and bang on about different picture within say... 5 years in future. and will again say how u are ripped off blah blah blah blah


but one thing for sure. camry is a fine car.

lets boikot for toyota for a period ...seems that toyota dun care of our consumer needs compare to Korean cars.

What about Honda, Nissan, ..., Proton, Perodua?