But, 2.5V is powered by Dual VVT-i with ACIS. ACIS is suppose to provide better fuel efficiency [ACIS].

There is always an off button for ESP especially for CBU cars cuz in foreign countries, when the car is stuck in snow, the ESP actually hampers movement as it misinterprets it as loss of control. So drivers normally disengage the ESP when driving through thick snow.

ESP is an active system meaning its sensors are always working while ABS only activates in hard emergency braking. Plus switching off the ABS has no benefit in any way. But dont forget that ESP and Traction Control are not the same.

Bro, there is a difference. ESP can do what Traction Control can do but Traction Control cannot accomplish what ESP accomplishes.

The traction control system is designed to prevent the drive wheels from losing their grip on the road while the car is accelerating. The stability control system is designed to prevent the car from sliding when either the accelerator or brakes have been applied.

Both the traction control and stability control systems utilize speed sensors from the ABS brake systems. If the sensors detect that the wheels are not gripping correctly, traction control will use the brake system to slow the speed of the vehicle or reduce power to the wheels to slow the vehicle and restore grip.

Stability control will use the ABS speed sensors along with additional wheel angle sensor and yaw rate sensor to check the rate of understeer and oversteer being used. It will then apply the brakes or throttle to the wheels so that the driver can regain control.

Another good video on ESP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3m24bjkfg0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQq-4KYBxsI

Really dont know how Toyota can remove this basic system in the Malaysian Camry's. Really a pathetic decision by Toyota especially since ESP's dont really cost that much.

What i meant was, it's not UMW that's guilty of the lame spec. UMW is guilty for charging higher price for less equipment and safety otherwise, its TOYOTA's lame strategy for the region to offer less stuff

Dude, sometimes no need to say until too obvious one, the K5 can only catch my eyes, but no matter how I drive it, It can't catch my heart, so I never think about it. I buy a car is based on the "driveability", not "gadgetablity". When I tested the K5, one thing that make unable to forget was the way the K5 crashed into a small tiny hole and the car "king kang", such new car the interior parts seem like already loose, I was wondering how long this car can last.

Yes i agree. The M6 does have better handling and its steering is more responsive. I dont quite like the 'jumpy' steering on the Optima.

you mean like, buying a ferrari?    everything nah. main point is the ponies 

of course not...if i get to choose, i will drive M6 anytime, but if to own either old M6 or new K5, prolly K5. Conti car definitely nice to drive, but overall package, price, value, korean cars are coming up, no denying that.

Camry 2.5 speed.

can you show some proof or link that 1.6 N/A car can get to that speed?

My 2006 Vios (stock to the bones) sudah mau terbang at 170kmh. At 170kmh can feel the back end of the car become floaty, at 180kmh the steering feels disconnected. And the brakes feels quite hopeless at those speeds. I really salute you for having the balls to go 200kmh

Nobody is bashing. Arguing maturedly is what i call it. Arguing maturedly doesnt mean only talking bout the positives. Its also about discussing the negatives as nothing is perfect. And its pointless to talk along the lines of 'my money so i do as i wish' as that defeats the purpose of the forum. We all know its your own money and ure free to do as u wish. But this is a forum where we discuss and argue at times about differences but yes without getting hostile. We're all matured adults and many of us are working professionals. Ive learnt alot bout cars from LYN.

are u sure about the toyota remove TRC also in the latest generation of camry? I thought VSC is absence only...and Do u think the consumers pay more money for less features? Why dont u think they using new 2.5 Dual VVti engine with ACIS and more airbags than before....So i think they raises a few thousand for upgrading from  2.4 to 2.5v from vvti to dual vvti and fom 5 speed to 6 speed n and from 2 airbags to 4 airbags sound reasonable. ....

Dont tell me that dual vvti is a not a new tech or whatsoever...at least it still a improved feature for which the previous generation model not using it....

yes i saw that too

I dunno, I disagree with the refinement bit. Because when it comes to refinement, I think they are nowhere near as refined as the continentals. Whether if it's VW, Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat? or even Ford, I don't think the Camry comes close. Even if you compare it with the K5, I think the K5 interior comes close in imitating that continental look and feel of a typical continental car.

Maybe it's preference, but continental interior just look a class above compared to the new Camry, which is really cheesy with its decked out faux wood.

Comfort and space wise. Yes - the Camry is top notch, I can't argue with that. And they are selling based on their history and pedigree in Malaysia. But the competition themselves will one day catch up to their level as well and as people become more educated and affluent, they will want to demand for better specs and quality. Can they still continue to do this when that day comes? Look at Honda, they're taking appropriate steps in countering the competition. Is the giant contented to continue sleeping while the competition slowly but surely chip away their market share?

When you talk about "refinement" what do you mean? Are you referring to NVH? Or including interior details (like what zweimmk mentioned)?

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Added on August 8, 2012, 4:54 pm
They choose it probably due to size, comfort (which includes some NVH factors) and reliability.

So I'm still a bit puzzled about how you define refinement.

ESP is the blinking LED during launch?