Regardless, the Camry is still the no.1 bestselling car in the US

http://www.nada.org/NR/rdonlyres/3115B411-...Sales_Recap.pdf

US consumers are definitely more picky when it comes to buying a car, surely the car still has to be very good in all aspects to achieve that position and the Camry is in the lead by a big margin. Despite the fact that Camry still can't match the Optima in the NHTSA ratings in the US, it is still the king in the D-segment mainstream consumer market.

But I definitely agree with you, the Camry sold here is definitely the least safe D-segment car on the road right now.

New Camry is one of the D-Segment car that i highly looked at before it launch!! Toyota Camry is famous for it build quality, reliability and i believe Toyota is one of the ealiest Japanese car in Malaysia using TRC!!! Safety is the priority in all aspect, many manufacturer always trying to emphasize human safety consideration in their design!! Its obviously Asian's life are cheapo in Toyota's mindset. Anything can cut for cost saving, but not safety.... New Camry Its truly disappointing me...

What has 4 seasons gotta do with Stability Control? Stability Control systems are practically emergency avoidance systems which help enable the driver to regain control of the vehicle after making a drastic / extreme maneuver to avoid an obstacle regardless of weather conditions.

I just visited the Toyota roadshow at 1 Utama and most of the interest is in the Toyota86 while i didnt see any serious enquiries bout the Camry. Most of the ppl there were just sitting inside, opening & closing doors and then walking away again. I think more and more ppl are coming to realise that this Camry is just a rip off. But there will always be those ignorant ppl who will still buy the Camry for the badge.

This time i sat in the 2.5V model and it was pathetic. Really cheapo looking & feeling dashboard and side door panels. Even the entertainment unit looks like it came out of some back end China product. All around i see that Toyota really cut sooo many corners to maximise profits for this Camry possibly to make up for their losses last year. Im really disappointed that a premier car manufacturer like Toyota can actually resort to such crap tactics to cheat customers into buying the Camry.

To all those who bought the new Camry, i must say that i really pity you guys. Slam me all you want but i feel it was a very poor financial decision on your part. Spending between 150-181K on a car like this is bullocks. Im saying this as a ex Toyota owner for 9 years. I only hope that in future, Toyota will never do this again. But then again, to actually prevent this from happening again, the buying has to stop.

I'm not going to argue whether the ESP or vsc can be worked effectively on wet condition because based on those European research,even the mythbuster tested it and found on wet condition, the vsc or ESP or trc cannot work effectively, but in the snow condition, then these technology is in totally different condition, it can make the vehicle steadily running on the road, but in limited speed. One thing that I want to say is nowadays, a lot of car come with these technology, and it has given a false information to the driver, causing them drive recklessly when the road condition is very wet, and we can see a lot of BMW, mercedes, Audi, alphard, estima, Camry, accord, cardinal..... Involve in accident especially in Karak Highway.

Bro, i think u need to check your facts before mentioning it. Go do some research on why u think the Stability Control & Traction Control cannot work on wet condition. Then come here and share. Dont just pass information like a postman.


Swedish National Road Administration

ESP (Electronic Stability Program) has recently been introduced onto the market in an effort to reduce the number and severity of loss-of-control automobile accidents. This reduction is expected to be particularly evident for accidents on roads with low friction (e.g., wet or icy conditions). This study aimed to evaluate the statistical effectiveness of ESP using data from accidents that occurred in Sweden during 2000 to 2002. To control for exposure, induced exposure methods were used, where ESP-sensitive to ESP-insensitive accidents and road conditions were matched in relation to cars equipped with and without ESP. Cars of similar, or in some cases identical, make and model were used to isolate the role of ESP. As predicted, the study showed a positive effect of ESP in circumstances where road surfaces have low friction. The overall effectiveness was 22.1 (+/-21) percent, while for accidents on wet roads, the effectiveness increased to 31.5 (+/-23.4) percent. On roads covered with ice and snow, the corresponding effectiveness was 38.2 (+/-26.1) percent.

Bro, i think u need to check your facts before mentioning it. Go do some research on why u think the Stability Control & Traction Control cannot work on wet condition. Then come here and share. Dont just pass information like a postman.


Swedish National Road Administration

ESP (Electronic Stability Program) has recently been introduced onto the market in an effort to reduce the number and severity of loss-of-control automobile accidents. This reduction is expected to be particularly evident for accidents on roads with low friction (e.g., wet or icy conditions). This study aimed to evaluate the statistical effectiveness of ESP using data from accidents that occurred in Sweden during 2000 to 2002. To control for exposure, induced exposure methods were used, where ESP-sensitive to ESP-insensitive accidents and road conditions were matched in relation to cars equipped with and without ESP. Cars of similar, or in some cases identical, make and model were used to isolate the role of ESP. As predicted, the study showed a positive effect of ESP in circumstances where road surfaces have low friction. The overall effectiveness was 22.1 (+/-21) percent, while for accidents on wet roads, the effectiveness increased to 31.5 (+/-23.4) percent. On roads covered with ice and snow, the corresponding effectiveness was 38.2 (+/-26.1) percent.

22.1 (+/-21) percent?
Did you copy this info correctly?

But, if it is true, I would reject these results.

There's nothing to reject friend, the results are pretty conclusive. Having ESC is definitely better than no ESC.

http://www.mynrma.com.au/images/Motoring-P...l_factsheet.pdf

But the findings did conclude for normal everyday driving and bumper to bumper traffic, you won't use this feature. But it is definitely something I'd rather have than not.

From my personal experience, I've actually activated this feature about 4 time for my Corolla throughout the 4 years of ownership and every time it is because the system thought I was entering a curve too quickly. What happens is the steering wheel will vibrate and a beeping sound will ring and the car will slow down faster. On 3 occasions, it happened on a bright sunny day and the finjust curioual was actually on a rainy day.

IMHO, it's not only Toyota, but also Honda, Nissan, KIA, Merc, BMW, VW, etc.
And, don't forget even our national car is the same.

What has 4 seasons gotta do with Stability Control? Stability Control systems are practically emergency avoidance systems which help enable the driver to regain control of the vehicle after making a drastic / extreme maneuver to avoid an obstacle regardless of weather conditions.

But all the other cars got ESP. Yes, even our national car Preve got ESP but Camry don't have.

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Added on July 1, 2012, 7:16 pm

May be some people thought Malaysia do not have 4 season so our road death must be super low so no need ESP?

No you are wrong, not because of the absent of 4 seasons and the death rate is low, the fatality rate is still super high because of our Malaysian driver is super brilliant due to their driving mentality, thinking my car has esp, vsc, vdc... So my car won't lose control no matter how, so even the road is super wet, they still think his car is super safe, so in the end, accident occur, this is one of the real example, my colleague who is driving his BMW 5 series year 2011, involved in an accident near Bukit Tinggiat Karak highway. Now he won't believe any ESP or vsc, his words are drive safely, when the road is wet, your 4 wheels are floating above the water.

No you are wrong, not because of the absent of 4 seasons and the death rate is low, the fatality rate is still super high because of our Malaysian driver is super brilliant due to their driving mentality, thinking my car has esp, vsc, vdc... So my car won't lose control no matter how, so even the road is super wet, they still think his car is super safe, so in the end, accident occur, this is one of the real example, my colleague who is driving his BMW 5 series year 2011, involved in an accident near Bukit Tinggiat Karak highway. Now he won't believe any ESP or vsc, his words are drive safely, when the road is wet, your 4 wheels are floating above the water.

Regardless, the Camry is still the no.1 bestselling car in the US

http://www.nada.org/NR/rdonlyres/3115B411-...Sales_Recap.pdf

US consumers are definitely more picky when it comes to buying a car, surely the car still has to be very good in all aspects to achieve that position and the Camry is in the lead by a big margin. Despite the fact that Camry still can't match the Optima in the NHTSA ratings in the US, it is still the king in the D-segment mainstream consumer market.

But I definitely agree with you, the Camry sold here is definitely the least safe D-segment car on the road right now.

No you are wrong, not because of the absent of 4 seasons and the death rate is low, the fatality rate is still super high because of our Malaysian driver is super brilliant due to their driving mentality, thinking my car has esp, vsc, vdc... So my car won't lose control no matter how, so even the road is super wet, they still think his car is super safe, so in the end, accident occur, this is one of the real example, my colleague who is driving his BMW 5 series year 2011, involved in an accident near Bukit Tinggiat Karak highway. Now he won't believe any ESP or vsc, his words are drive safely, when the road is wet, your 4 wheels are floating above the water.

Accident on Friday to 2012 Camry reason (drift), incident in the capital of Saudi Arabia is Riyadh, the speed of the car during the incident (200 km).

No you are wrong, not because of the absent of 4 seasons and the death rate is low, the fatality rate is still super high because of our Malaysian driver is super brilliant due to their driving mentality, thinking my car has esp, vsc, vdc... So my car won't lose control no matter how, so even the road is super wet, they still think his car is super safe, so in the end, accident occur, this is one of the real example, my colleague who is driving his BMW 5 series year 2011, involved in an accident near Bukit Tinggiat Karak highway. Now he won't believe any ESP or vsc, his words are drive safely, when the road is wet, your 4 wheels are floating above the water.

22.1 (+/-21) percent?
Did you copy this info correctly?

But, if it is true, I would reject these results.

According to the video description:

But bear in mind US spec Camry is very different from local spec Camry. No wonder it would do well in USA.

If our local Camry same spec as in USA then we'd have very little to b**ch about

Bro, why dont u do some research of your own and understand the meaning of the results before talking about rejecting the results? Just cuz u dont understand something doesnt mean its wrong. These surveys were not done by some Malaysian crony agency for u to even doubt its accuracy.

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Added on July 2, 2012, 5:15 am

So what's the purpose in posting this? Are you trying to say something?

Anyway, im quite sure this model did not have the ESP package. But without seatbelts, its pointless to have even airbags. They deserved this trying to do drifting on a busy highway.