hey thanks for the reply man. imo i think i'll hold off the pre supps for the mo. im making progress right now so i dont see a reason why i should

Greetings,
any of you guys taking optimum nutrition platinum hydro whey protein ?
was doing some research on the internet and came across this product.

Just tested superpump max... good endurance, pump, strength wise was a lil bleh but it felt like i took some antidepressant medication... mood became very good, head was so clear, didnt even think a tad bit about work lol, which used to be quite distracting...thats the part i enjoy the most. Will monitor the effect as i use it longer..

If you only have budget for either one of these, which one will you choose? NO2 products like superpump for greater workout, or BCAA/EAA like xtend or wrath for greater recovery? I'm still a student and only have extra budget for one of these. All the basic stuffs are covered though.

I'd asked at bb.com but only 1 guy replied and he mentioned to use no2 when bulking and bcaa/eaa for cutting. 1 guy at LYN say bcaa/eaa is a need while no2 is a want. Need more opinion from sifu here before making my decision. thanks

so wats ur aim? bulking? cutting?
if u r a beginner i feel bcaa is more important since poundage or PR (from pre wo supp) is not really ur concern.
recovery is more important.

This post has been edited by janson_kaniaz: May 28 2011, 03:58 PM

i have to agree with the bb.com guy, u have to give 100% in the gym, leave nothing.
do u train with max? <<< gaspari ha2

bcaa/eaa...for beginner or intermediate, from whey protein wud be enough
unless u train everyday or twice per day

im currently bulking, but for a naturally a skinny guy like me bulking is so daunting. gain is quite slow as well (been lifting iron for 6 months now)
i try to give 110% every time, but i loose steam quite fast, usually at my third routine where I'll be gasping for air. that's why im quite inclined to no2 products right now.

confused

To me it's simple. We can't say wat to buy n wat not. If u can only have one at a time just buy one 1st n see the effect. You will always want to try both anyway. Nvr try nvr know. Buy one of them 1st.

I'd go for BCAA, because I've made good progress with them, in terms of poundages and endurance, etc. Recovery's faster too.

wad if NO+bcaa combo??

He specifically said one or the other, my friend.

NO hands down for me.

recovery = more quality whole food and rest.

but NO , hard to find any easy sources except from supplement.
and it made me focus and energized in the gym too. no regret.

buy either one and try. i definitely suggest u try NO first.

This post has been edited by jackwylde: May 29 2011, 05:35 AM

Do you guys prefer NO with added caffeine or non-caffeinated ones?

Most of them have caffeine thou..... any one of them without?

i believe most of them has it, for the focus part.
it's just the difference in dosage...

There's a caffeine free version of Ragnarok by Millennium Sports

Err my bad, because I heard rumours that BSN is going to release a caffeine-free version of NO xplode, but after doing some searching, I think it's not true. The non-caffeine ones are:
Dymatize Expand
San Vault
CytoSport Fast Twitch - Caffeine Free
Millennium Sport Ragnarok

Tested Dark Rage from MHP,taste is very bad but it gives more endurance than Animal rage to me!

Did a small research comparing the amino acid profiles of 2 of the cheapest whey products on the market - ON 100% Gold Standard Whey vs. SciVation whey. This is what I found:

SciVation:

From: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=109507961

Standard Whey Amino Acid Profile:
g/serving

VALINE 1.16
TRYPTOPHAN 0.29
THREONINE 1.58
PHENYLALANINE 0.59
METHIONINE 0.33
LEUCINE 2.42
LYSINE 2.07
ISOLEUCINE 1.27

ALANINE 1.08
ARGININE 0.33
ASPARTIC ACID 2.57
CYSTINE 0.46
GLUTAMIC ACID 4.28
GLYCINE 0.26
HISTIDINE 0.26
PROLINE 1.36
SERINE 1.12
TYROSINE 0.55


ON:

Typical Amino Acid Profile (Miligrams Per Serving)

Essential Amino Acids (EAAs)

Tryptophan 405
Valine 1422
Threonine 1654
Isoleucine 1573
Leucine 2531
Lysine 2233
Phenylalanine 748
Methionine 492

Conditionally Essential Amino Acids (CAAs)

Arginine 505
Cystine 494
Tyrosine 703
Histidine 423
Proline 1509
Glutamine & Precursors 4082

Nonessential Amino Acids (NAAs)

Aspartic Acid 2508
Serine 1126
Glycine 412
Alanine 1180

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Without a doubt, ON has the better whey.

This post has been edited by Vbs: May 30 2011, 02:59 PM

Nice, never look into caffeine free NO... wonder hows the effect

MHP Dark Rage is very famous for its bad taste.... but how bad is it? worse than NOX?