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post May 11 2011, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(stereokumonomu @ May 11 2011, 12:55 PM)
this kind of common room can occupy how many person?
is there any other current tenant?

me and my colleagues is still looking around for room rental,
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Can fit 2.

No other tenants, I will occupy the other room.
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post May 11 2011, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 11 2011, 08:36 AM)
But if you noticed, there seems to be a trend whereby indian restaurants are now hiring china workers to do work normall allocated to their own indian brethren such as making roti canai or being the waiter.

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That's because it's pure economics due to employment pass/ work permit rulings.

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This means an employer seeking an Indian waiter might need to hire someone with relevant qualifications and a minimum wage of $1,800 under current regulations.

The owners told The Sunday Times that the Chinese workers are usually hired as cleaners rather than service staff because of the language barrier. Most are work permit holders, speak little English, work an average of 10 hours a day and earn about $1,000 a month.

http://www.soshiok.com/article/5952
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post May 11 2011, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(darkages @ May 11 2011, 01:30 PM)
Can fit 2.

No other tenants, I will occupy the other room.
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I've seen 4 people stay in a single common room. I've heard you can fit around 6 to 7 in a room since i know a guy who sub let a condo with 4 rooms to 22 china labourers.


Added on May 11, 2011, 3:45 pm
QUOTE(bellion @ May 11 2011, 03:39 PM)
That's because it's pure economics due to employment pass/ work permit rulings.

Excerpt:

This means an employer seeking an Indian waiter might need to hire someone with relevant qualifications and a minimum wage of $1,800 under current regulations.

The owners told The Sunday Times that the Chinese workers are usually hired as cleaners rather than service staff because of the language barrier. Most are work permit holders, speak little English, work an average of 10 hours a day and earn about $1,000 a month.

http://www.soshiok.com/article/5952
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Why cant they hire an indian worker on a work permit at the same salary range? Why does it have to be from china?

Most indian welders and fitters in shipyards and construction workers are indians and they basic pay is around 700-900. With OT their salary goes above 1000.

Plus employers can get around the high cost of minimum wage for an s-pass guy.

Say the s-pass gets $ 1800 a month according to mom law, the employer can state on their pay slip that they get that amount but in reality they may shortchanged them.

I know a couple of SME's which does this. I know one guy who's an S-Pass who's supposed to get $1800 and his pay slip states that same amount but every month is bank account is credited with $1500. No guesses where the balance $300 goes.

This usually happens to banglas, china, indians and burmese people since alot of singaporean employers know they can bully them since those people need the money and cant afford to job hop and to pay back the loan they took to get a job in singapore in the first place.

This post has been edited by crapp0: May 11 2011, 03:54 PM
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post May 11 2011, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 11 2011, 03:43 PM)
I've seen 4 people stay in a single common room. I've heard you can fit around 6 to 7 in a room since i know a guy who sub let a condo with 4 rooms to 22 china labourers.


Added on May 11, 2011, 3:45 pm

Why cant they hire an indian worker on a work permit at the same salary range? Why does it have to be from china?

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Obviously, there's a good economical reason for that - go to one of those little India shops that hire china workers and ask the proprietor.
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post May 11 2011, 08:49 PM

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just collect EP card today smile.gif
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post May 11 2011, 09:04 PM

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@csyap1985

Did you do your EP application when you were already working? From what I've read it seems that I have to get a few documents from my employer first then only I can apply for it.

Is it preferable to work there first then get the EP?
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post May 11 2011, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ May 11 2011, 09:04 PM)
@csyap1985

Did you do your EP application when you were already working? From what I've read it seems that I have to get a few documents from my employer first then only I can apply for it.

Is it preferable to work there first then get the EP?
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nope...you can't start working until you get your EP.

after get your IPA, you will required to do medical check up (4-5 working days for medical report). after that you will required to make an appointment to EPSC to register your finger print (4 working days) then only they issue the card for you.
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post May 11 2011, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Find The Way @ May 10 2011, 11:34 PM)
More specifically, what are the restrictions and loss imposed by all sort of rules and regulations. I'm wondering if it is really worthy to dump big portion of income into loan, to get one private property for investment.
cry.gif Indeed this is the first thing that pops up in my mind.
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one of the restriction is u will never be able to buy a HDB. But to buy HDB u nid to have a PR/citizen spouse.
So if u not married or getting maried within the next 3-5yrs, dun bother about HDB restriction.

It's ALMOST a no brainer for a HDB,compare to renting it. But to buy private, provided u find a good deal. If the rental yields more than 5% I would say worth it. Below 3% no. In between, go figure. Bare in mind SG interest is dam low.


Added on May 11, 2011, 9:24 pm
QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ May 11 2011, 09:04 PM)
@csyap1985

Did you do your EP application when you were already working? From what I've read it seems that I have to get a few documents from my employer first then only I can apply for it.

Is it preferable to work there first then get the EP?
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Normally u get an approval in principal from MOM.
Then wen u reach here u nid to apply/procees for the EP card, then u will exchange it with the visitor White form that u fill up.

This post has been edited by Aloong: May 11 2011, 09:24 PM
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post May 11 2011, 09:41 PM

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Hi guys,

Hw do i apply for da EP card? Cos my employer only email me the Epass,datz all. They nvr mention abt da EP card?
Is there any fast lane wiv dat EP card holder while goin thru immigration?
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post May 11 2011, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 11 2011, 03:43 PM)
I've seen 4 people stay in a single common room. I've heard you can fit around 6 to 7 in a room since i know a guy who sub let a condo with 4 rooms to 22 china labourers.


Added on May 11, 2011, 3:45 pm

Why cant they hire an indian worker on a work permit at the same salary range? Why does it have to be from china?

Most indian welders and fitters in shipyards and construction workers are indians and they basic pay is around 700-900. With OT their salary goes above 1000.

Plus employers can get around the high cost of minimum wage for an s-pass guy.

Say the s-pass gets $ 1800 a month according to mom law, the employer can state on their pay slip that they get that amount but in reality they may shortchanged them.

I know a couple of SME's which does this. I know one guy who's an S-Pass who's supposed to get $1800 and his pay slip states that same amount but every month is bank account is credited with $1500. No guesses where the balance $300 goes.

This usually happens to banglas, china, indians and burmese people since alot of singaporean employers know they can bully them since those people need the money and cant afford to job hop and to pay back the loan they took to get a job in singapore in the first place.
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some of the balance goes into here:
levies

lot of sg employers find ways to exploit them. their 1st job all salary is paying for their food, accommodation & manpower supplied agent for the 1-2 years. end up nothing after S-pass expired. get nothing back to their own country.
that is how smart most of the sg employers are. the locals are not willing to take such physical demanding & dusty job.
so if lot of people especially those academically low still think it is great to work at sg, think thrice, unless one is very highly pay.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: May 11 2011, 09:45 PM
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post May 11 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(ch_teo @ May 11 2011, 09:44 PM)
some of the balance goes into here:
levies

lot of sg employers find ways to exploit them. their 1st job all salary is paying for their food, accommodation & manpower supplied agent for the 1-2 years. end up nothing after S-pass expired. get nothing back to their own country.
that is how smart most of the sg employers are. the locals are not willing to take such physical demanding & dusty job.
so if lot of people especially those academically low still think it is great to work at sg, think thrice, unless one is very highly pay.
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None of the forummers in this thread are in that category of blue-collar workers so there's plenty of reasons why they should continue working in Singapore.
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post May 11 2011, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(Semper Fi @ May 11 2011, 09:41 PM)
Hi guys,

Hw do i apply for da EP card? Cos my employer only email me the Epass,datz all. They nvr mention abt da EP card?
Is there any fast lane wiv dat EP card holder while goin thru immigration?
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EP is your employment pass. That is a type of permit for employees earning above certain amount of wage.
I dont know what an Epass is, it sounds like EP to me? The pass is usually applied by your company through Ministry of Manpower of singapore or known as MOM. I believe there are fast lanes through immigration for singaporeans, PR and people with work permit.


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$2400 basic is under employment pass rite?
how to check the range of this?
lets say $2600 pay is another level?
thanks.
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post May 11 2011, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 11 2011, 10:44 PM)
$2400 basic is under employment pass rite?
how to check the range of this?
lets say $2600 pay is another level?
thanks.
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Aiyoyo......like that oso lazy to search. doh.gif You can easily acquire that information from MOM's website.

Anyway, I'm in the mood to spoon feed you this time.

Here you go:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...es/default.aspx
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ May 11 2011, 09:14 AM)
A few reasonable hostels.
Cozycorner at Bugis. -->  http://www.cozycornerguest.com/
CityBackpackers in Kalang --> http://www.citybackpackers.com.sg/rooms.cgi
I stayed in both of this. City backpackers is cleaner. happy.gif

My friend stayed at Pillows and Toast. Looks nice, not sure about the price.
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Thanks bro smile.gif
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QUOTE(Nokia convert @ May 11 2011, 10:56 PM)
Aiyoyo......like that oso lazy to search. doh.gif You can easily acquire that information from MOM's website.

Anyway, I'm in the mood to spoon feed you this time.

Here you go:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...es/default.aspx
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You know unlike in Malaysia, in Singapore....everything/rules/requirements/regulations ARE ALL Stated....so that u dont have an excuse to say u dont know this or dont know that....or a loophole. Even if there's a loophole...it will be quickly covered up!!

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QUOTE(mea05key @ May 11 2011, 10:37 PM)
EP is your employment pass. That is a type of permit for employees earning above certain amount of wage.
I dont know what an Epass is, it sounds like EP to me? The pass is usually applied by your company through Ministry of Manpower of singapore or known as MOM. I believe there are fast lanes through immigration for singaporeans, PR and people with work permit.
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Hey dude,

Sori for da confusion! laugh.gif
My Epass = EP...Lolx!
As somebody mentioned that he/she got da card as in hard copy, i oni rcv da soft copy frm my employer, which sent to my email.
So was wonderin hw cud i obtain da card instead. hmm.gif
Oohhh..thrs a fast lane? I din notice though... hmm.gif Mayb all da time i was rushin, cant wait to get out frm da immigration. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Semper Fi @ May 12 2011, 09:00 AM)
Hey dude,

Sori for da confusion! laugh.gif
My Epass = EP...Lolx!
As somebody mentioned that he/she got da card as in hard copy, i oni rcv da soft copy frm my employer, which sent to my email.
So was wonderin hw cud i obtain da card instead.  hmm.gif
Oohhh..thrs a fast lane? I din notice though... hmm.gif  Mayb all da time i was rushin, cant wait to get out frm da immigration.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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You can't use the fast lane until you obtained the card.
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ May 12 2011, 09:20 AM)
You can't use the fast lane until you obtained the card.
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Hw do i obtain da card? My employer oni sent me da soft copy via email..they din mention anythin abt da hard copy...so weird hmm.gif icon_question.gif

This post has been edited by Semper Fi: May 12 2011, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(Nokia convert @ May 11 2011, 10:56 PM)
Aiyoyo......like that oso lazy to search. doh.gif You can easily acquire that information from MOM's website.

Anyway, I'm in the mood to spoon feed you this time.

Here you go:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...es/default.aspx
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about to be revised in a month or 2 sweat.gif

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