Hows Masters equal to Bachelor?

Well as far as i know and what i have been informed, the diploma is a full time course awarded and delivered by LUCT itself. Unlike the Bachelor of Applied Science (Architectural Science) (3+0) which is a 3+0 and is awarded by curtin. I'll try to check more into it but i'm pretty sure the diploma is from LUCT itself but not the curtin degree.

If there's anyone who can give some proof to this or otherwise please don't hesitate to.

But if it is indeed a full time and not a 3+0, does this mean that it is possible to be accredited after completing a part 1 recognized degree?

It's just a name.

lst degree - B.Sc (Architecture) - This degree does not have much value in the job market.
2nd degree - B. Arch or M. Arch - You are called a 'graduate architect'.

When they change the B.Arch to M.Arch, I don't know what the new name is for the previous M. Arch, which people use to do after their B.Arch.

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Added on May 25, 2011, 6:09 pmCurtin used to have a twinning programme with LUCT many years back but that was discontinued. Neither LUCT's diploma nor the degree is now awarded by Curtin. Students can further their studies in Curtin Perth by credit transfer just like students from Taylors. The BArch you get would still not be accredited by LAM. So it really makes no difference in terms of recognition whether you do your BArch in LUCT or Curtin.

The degree is either accredited or not accredited. Anything is possible if you talk about the future. You want to take the risk?

This post has been edited by tehtmc: May 25 2011, 06:11 PM

To confuse you even more, they call it Diploma (RIBA part 2) in UK. hahah, but they're the same thing.

So a Diploma in Uk is equivalent to a MArch elsewhere?

Dip in what?

the point is, in architecture, all u should care is the professional level they carry. if school A offers diploma (part 2), it will be equal to school B's masters (part 2). because at the end of the day, it's the professional level that's important. which means there's no point bragging about ur unaccredited degree in front of an accredited diploma holder .

This is not always true.

Last semester in studio, one of our best student presented his works to the crits in an "incredibly" confident manner, and his spoken English was also incredibly fluent throughout the presentation. In fact, he was so confident & fluent that it was as if that particular presentation was already his "second nature".

Well, all of us than expected a great response from the crits, and all of us were also beginning to feel very nervous that we are all just not as good as that guy, and that we all will definitely fare terribly compared to him.

But what happened next shocked us instead; everything went the complete opposite direction from the positive expectations we were all having. The crits instead gave this top guy one of the worse & hardest "shelling" we have ever seen. (I was literally shivering just watching it.)

The crits literally "devastated" the 'ego' of this top guy and effectively "destroyed" his confidence by 101%. (And it certainly made a very negative impact on this top guy's studio performance ever since till the very end.)

So as you can see, being thick-skinned or "full of confidence & ego" could end up landing you in some very serious trouble instead.

Regards.

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Added on May 25, 2011, 11:01 pmWell, it seems like everybody is just trying to "change" you out there...

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: May 25 2011, 11:01 PM

being over-confident is not the same as being thick skinned. thick skinned means u can take a barrage of assaults without breaking an emotion. sometimes examiners do this to break ur ego just for the sake of it. if u could somehow hold on, expect great results. but if u break, they will all jump at the opportunity to disarm u and wreak havoc.

u should attend crits by Ar PM Saari Omar (UM), Ar PM Jaafar (UTM/LUCT) or Dato' Amer (LAM). these people dont hold back. once u let them loose, they really go to town.

Is it possible to enter into year one of an accredited degree halfway through the diploma? Lets say i have completed 2 years of the diploma, and instead of entering year 2 of the degree like full diploma holders, i apply into the first year. Is that possible? Will the university accept me with a partial diploma? Has anyone done this before?

If i was successful in doing so will my degree be accredited? As the degree will be completed full time(3 years) at the recognized university.

Azarimy, mind to comment on this too?

hi, I want to ask what's the difference between bachelor of architecture and bachelor of environments/environmentaldesign?

Well, that top guy literally tried to hold on to his presentation by further justifying (yes, he is thick skinned), but the crit immediately "blasted him off" by saying: "PLEASE - STOP - AT - ONCE, because you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (!) to justify at all!! If you think this is an "English Literature" class, or about how good your English is, then you are in the WRONG course!!! (Then the crit continued telling the guy off & "assaulting" his work, while the whole class was "pin-drop" silent.)

Anyway;

I am also the type that "justifies" in general, and certainly so when it comes to my works. But back in my mind, there is always this "conscience" (that says) that I must also pay "respect" to the crits by listening, giving in, & agreeing after a certain-limit has been reached. (So usually you will never find me persisting on & on with my justifications when the crits still continue disagreeing with me - I just do NOT want it all to end up in a big argument/squabble with the crits.) In addition, it is also like: "I have already just presented the whole idea in such a concise/detailed manner; do I need to repeat myself all over again???" (Because very often, it always seems like they have NOT heard what I have presented, and commented on things that was already "justified" in my words & presentation - so do I need to repeat myself once again like a robot?) Usually I don't really bother repeating what I have already said (to avoid sounding like a broken-record.) - It is more like "I've already mentioned it all to you in such a 'perfect' manner, but now you are still disagreeing; so be it!

Tell me if I am wrong.

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: May 26 2011, 06:40 AM

Thankss matey!

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Added on May 26, 2011, 9:21 amTheir Egos are probably as Big as their heads...

This post has been edited by prophetjul: May 26 2011, 09:21 AM

no. unless the IPTA's willing to allow some credit transfer equivalent to a pre-university course. but most of the time, the answer is a simple no. i've never seen anybody successfully pulled that off. well, not in UTM anyways.

Bachelor of Architecture is a part 2 programme. Bachelor of Env/Envrmental Design is probably part 1, if it's architecture.

u're lecturing. it's supposed to be a debate. .

we train our students to conduct a dialogue, argue and justify their design based on proper fact and action. if u just prepare a lecture-like text, prepare to get bombarded. dont u have a subject specific for verbal communication? we do.

Here's a list of recognized school in Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand and United Kingdom from LAM

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Malaysia.htm

Looks like B Arch is not always a part 2.
Lookie at Oz.....looks like its part1. MArch is part2.

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Australia.htm

BArch is ALWAYS LAM part 2.

but LAM part 2 can either be BArch or MArch.


This post has been edited by azarimy: May 27 2011, 10:43 AM

You mean Dato Dr Ar Amer Hamzah? Thought he's not in the academic field, he's head of CAEM. How come he gets involved in crits?


This post has been edited by tehtmc: May 27 2011, 12:12 PM

Yes, I am the type that prepares very extensive/in-dept "lecture like texts/presentations" for my works & crits; while all of the rest (of my classmates) they just prefer to speak naturally/spontaneously to the crits instead.

Everyone was bombarded really hard/mercilessly by the crits anyway.

Our program/course did not provide us with verbal communication subject(s) specific for our architectural subjects, however, we did have our respective (compulsory) standard English classes at the beginning; with presentation assignments, if that is considered the verbal communication training you are referring to? (Throughout the course, we also had loads of presentations to handle in most of the others subjects anyway, that often tend to emphasize on presentation skills as well...)

Regards.

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Added on May 27, 2011, 1:52 pmAh, even "students" gets involved in crits.

Last semester, I was crit by a student...

This semester, I was also crit by a student (and his voice & criticisms was 20X more 'potent' than the old & experienced crit right beside him; who instead hardly made any negative comments about my works.)

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: May 27 2011, 01:54 PM

when he became UTM's adjunct professor lol. i swear he only crits to see if he could kill anyone with mere words.



well, i dont mean the english subjects where IPT students made compulsory to take by the ministry.

i'm talking about actual subject/course where they actually train u how to present ur design. most IPTAs conduct these subject and it is a part of the course. of course, u have to present every project (3-4 times a semester), but that only prepares u by throwing u out to the sea and see if u could swim. failing to present means failing ur design. not a good practice, actually.

so we conduct these subjects to train the students on art of presentation, debating, how to present themselves, body language, the art of convincing etc.

it is my belief that young lecturers/designers always look aggressive to compensate for their lack of experience .

This post has been edited by azarimy: May 27 2011, 02:26 PM

People get to become professors just like that - without doing research and publishing papers? He was attached to JKR I understand.