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post May 28 2011, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 27 2011, 04:35 PM)
People get to become professors just like that - without doing research and publishing papers? He was attached to JKR I understand.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 27 2011, 08:35 AM)
People get to become professors just like that - without doing research and publishing papers? He was attached to JKR I understand.
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adjunct professor is not a title but a post. he wont be running around with people calling him "professor" or anything, if that's what u're worried about wink.gif. adjunct professor is an academic post where he is in a position to contribute a considerable amount of knowledge/experience to the university on a contractual basis. the advantage is that the adjunct professor is considered a member of the university, so he is at our disposal. they dont actually do research, publications or teaching, depending on their expertise.

this is as opposed to invited lecturers, who're not part of the advisory panel. contract lecturers on the other hand are qualified to do research and publication as well as teaching.

the reason for having him is as a professional enrichment to our professional part of the school. UTM is going to run the 3+2 degree/masters programme, so in order to ensure our professional component in the programme is safe and secure, who else better than the head of CAAEM committee himself, right? wink.gif


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 28 2011, 01:11 AM)
Malaysia what?
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post May 28 2011, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 28 2011, 10:31 AM)
adjunct professor is not a title but a post. he wont be running around with people calling him "professor" or anything, if that's what u're worried about wink.gif. adjunct professor is an academic post where he is in a position to contribute a considerable amount of knowledge/experience to the university on a contractual basis. the advantage is that the adjunct professor is considered a member of the university, so he is at our disposal. they dont actually do research, publications or teaching, depending on their expertise.

this is as opposed to invited lecturers, who're not part of the advisory panel. contract lecturers on the other hand are qualified to do research and publication as well as teaching.

the reason for having him is as a professional enrichment to our professional part of the school. UTM is going to run the 3+2 degree/masters programme, so in order to ensure our professional component in the programme is safe and secure, who else better than the head of CAAEM committee himself, right? wink.gif

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He happened to be at the right place at the right time, plus the fact that he has a doctorate degree(probably the only architect in the public sector , excluding the academia, with that).

The professional exposure in the JKR is rather limited. As I said before, most jobs are farmed out to the private sector, including the construction of their HQ (another GDP project). All the implementation of projects are undertaken by the civil engineers (S.O) which has been the tradition in the engineer-dominated organization and is dictated in their own JKR Form of Building Contract. The role of the architect is reduced to that of an administrator/bureaucrat. Those veteran practitioners in the private sector would be better qualified for the positon but then it has to be someone from the civil service.

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 28 2011, 03:19 AM)
He happened to be at the right place at the right time, plus the fact that he has a doctorate degree(probably the only architect in the public sector , excluding the academia, with that).

The professional exposure in the JKR is rather limited. As I said before, most jobs are farmed out to the private sector, including the construction of their HQ (another GDP project). All the implementation of projects are undertaken by the civil engineers (S.O) which has been the tradition in the engineer-dominated organization and is dictated in their own JKR Form of Building Contract. The role of the architect is reduced to that of an administrator/bureaucrat.  Those veteran practitioners in the private sector would be better qualified for the positon  but then it has to be someone from the civil service.
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yup. but the guy IS the head of CAAEM.

anyways, for our architecture school, there are 3 adjunct professors till mid next year. one of them is Dato' Amer, the other two is Prof. Jason Pomeroy (from british/singapore Broadway Malyan) and Ar. Hijjas Kasturi. so we have a guy from the public sector/LAM/CAAEM, another one is an international academic and lastly an experienced local architect. after next year, there will new adjunct professors to be appointed. we have decided on one: prof bryan lawson (my PhD supervisor from sheffield university), and expert in architecture education and spatial behaviours. but we're still open on the other two.

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where would you suggest someone to do architecture degree in,UCSI or taylors? suggestions pls and why
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QUOTE(Visionary @ May 28 2011, 08:50 AM)
where would you suggest someone to do architecture degree in,UCSI or taylors? suggestions pls and why
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i would put them almost equal to each other. so it boils down to the location, the actual lecturers, and the friends u will enroll with.

but taylor's is going for accreditation this year. if u would bet on them passing, then go for them. just bear in mind no IPTS have ever been accredited before.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 28 2011, 11:12 PM)
i would put them almost equal to each other. so it boils down to the location, the actual lecturers, and the friends u will enroll with.

but taylor's is going for accreditation this year. if u would bet on them passing, then go for them. just bear in mind no IPTS have ever been accredited before.
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no IPTS have ever been accredited before? thinking of doing degree here and masters overseas,or twinning in between,what think you? lol
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QUOTE(Visionary @ May 29 2011, 05:42 AM)
no IPTS have ever been accredited before? thinking of doing degree here and masters overseas,or twinning in between,what think you? lol
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twinning is a sure fire way to NOT becoming an architect in malaysia. between an unaccredited degree and a twinning degree, twinning is lower as they have almost no chance of sitting for the LAM exams. from what i've seen, it is as if LAM doesn't even recognize it as a degree in architecture.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 29 2011, 10:27 PM)
twinning is a sure fire way to NOT becoming an architect in malaysia. between an unaccredited degree and a twinning degree, twinning is lower as they have almost no chance of sitting for the LAM exams. from what i've seen, it is as if LAM doesn't even recognize it as a degree in architecture.
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shocking.gif okay ... lol ... what about masters overseas?
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QUOTE(Visionary @ May 29 2011, 03:18 PM)
shocking.gif  okay ... lol ... what about masters overseas?
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what about it?

there are 2 types of masters in architecture:

i. professional
ii. academic

so which one do u wanna talk about here?

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 30 2011, 01:01 AM)
what about it?

there are 2 types of masters in architecture:

i. professional
ii. academic

so which one do u wanna talk about here?
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differences in both? I actually have no idea. as long as i can practice as an architect
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QUOTE(Visionary @ May 29 2011, 05:17 PM)
differences in both? I actually have no idea. as long as i can practice as an architect
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like i said before, if u're interested in becoming an architect, look for part 2 qualifications. it doesnt matter if it's a masters, degree or diploma, if it comes with a part 2, it will qualify u as an architect!

u gotta break the mindset that masters must be higher status than degree or diploma, because in architecture status means nothing if u dont carry the proper qualifications.
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ok, so let me get this straight. I've just graduated from Taylors U and will be continuing my degree overseas, lets say Australia University of Tasmania and after obtaining the Bachelor of Enviromental Design, it will qualify me as Part 1 right? I don't have to sit any LAM exams, and then after that I continue on with the Bach./Master of Architecture recognized by LAM and after graduating will mean that I'm certified Part 2. Is this right ?

How do I obtain part 3 then?

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 28 2011, 10:31 AM)
dont be a fool, son. learn to understand the issue before jumping off the cliff.
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Watch who your are calling son, sonny boy......maybe older and more experienced in other areas
than you think.... nod.gif

Dont get in over yer head and become your own description..... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Snaafu @ May 29 2011, 08:54 PM)
ok, so let me get this straight. I've just graduated from Taylors U and will be continuing my degree overseas, lets say Australia University of Tasmania and after obtaining the Bachelor of Enviromental Design, it will qualify me as Part 1 right? I don't have to sit any LAM exams, and then after that I continue on with the Bach./Master of Architecture recognized by LAM and after graduating will mean  that I'm certified Part 2. Is this right ?

How do I obtain part 3 then?
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yup, that's about right.

part 3 is obtained by two ways normally:

i. by practicing, filling out the log book and sitting for the part 3 exam. normally they set a 2 year minimum practice requirement, but there are exceptions where one could fill out the log book in less than that. either way, vast majority just prefer to take the 2 years and prepare themselves for the exam.

ii. by a part 3 masters. this is not available yet in malaysia, but is already available in the UK (for RIBA part 3). i know that a few schools like UM have toyed with the idea of opening one, but LAM is not very keen on that idea. so until heads change in LAM, we're not gonna see a part 3 masters any time soon. heck, it took us 12 years to convince LAM to agree to run a part 2 masters... so i imagine perhaps another 12 years? lol.

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Watch who your are calling son, sonny boy......maybe older and more experienced in other areas
than you think....    nod.gif

Dont get in over yer head and become your own description.....  tongue.gif
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u could've left with dignity, but since u insist...

i. u come to this thread asking for directions.
ii. then u saw somebody made a comment that looks like a government/malaysia bashing thread.
iii. u took the opportunity to poke fun at it.
iv. in actual fact, the question was genuine and have a totally plausible explanation.
v. i told u off, straight on.
vi. and now instead of just acknowledging that u jumped too soon at the said question, u have the audacity to take a swing at me?

i dont care if u're older or more experienced in other areas, it's pretty obvious u're not there yet in these areas. so until we're playing at YOUR area, be polite and lets stick to architecture.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 30 2011, 09:47 AM)

i. u come to this thread asking for directions.
ii. then u saw somebody made a comment that looks like a government/malaysia bashing thread.
iii. u took the opportunity to poke fun at it.
iv. in actual fact, the question was genuine and have a totally plausible explanation.
v. i told u off, straight on.
vi. and now instead of just acknowledging that u jumped too soon at the said question, u have the audacity to take a swing at me?

i dont care if u're older or more experienced in other areas, it's pretty obvious u're not there yet in these areas. so until we're playing at YOUR area, be polite and lets stick to architecture.
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Politeness cuts both ways. respect cuts both ways.
The remark was not personal and yet your remark WAS personal, condescending and uncalled for...less you are
a personification of your description!
So what gives about being polite and taking swings?
Loosen up and leave arrogance at the doorstep


Yes, i do admit i am not there yet in this area of architecture. Infact theres always new thinsg to behold
even in my own field. So dont be so arrogant about YOUR area.
But be assured i have worked
with them for years....more than you can imagine. So yes in that sense i do have certain knowledge
of the insider of the architecture industry.


So yes BE Polite and get back to architecture....
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 30 2011, 01:58 AM)
Politeness cuts both ways. respect cuts both ways.
The remark was not personal and yet your remark WAS personal, condescending and uncalled for...less you are
a personification of your description!
So what gives about being polite and taking swings? 
Loosen up and leave arrogance at the doorstep
Yes, i do admit i am not there yet in this area of architecture. Infact theres always new thinsg to behold
even in my own field. So dont be so arrogant about YOUR area.
But be assured i have worked
with them for years....more than you can imagine. So yes in that sense i do have certain knowledge
of the insider of the architecture industry.
So yes BE Polite and get back to architecture....
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look below my avatar. what does it say? lol.

lets start fresh. i apologize for any misgivings. agreed?

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 30 2011, 10:04 AM)
look below my avatar. what does it say? lol.

lets start fresh. i apologize for any misgivings. agreed?
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i apologise too if i have offended you personally in anyway....

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hello ive stumbled upon this blog saying that what should we do in order to proceed to our desired rank/position, where should we go to further study oversea or locally. It just bothers me as I would like to further my studies locally, but from what the blog explains that if we want to progress ourself to become more 'free of thinking' or in other word more creative, the way is to further study oversea, not locally, can somebody help me clarify this?

http://nikreached.wordpress.com/2011/05/30...-should-you-go/

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QUOTE(finger_waverz @ May 30 2011, 03:18 PM)
hello ive stumbled upon this blog saying that what should we do in order to proceed to our desired rank/position, where should we go to further study oversea or locally. It just bothers me as I would like to further my studies locally, but from what the blog explains that if we want to progress ourself to become more 'free of thinking' or in other word more creative, the way is to further study oversea, not locally, can somebody help me clarify this?

http://nikreached.wordpress.com/2011/05/30...-should-you-go/
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there are some truth in what he has said. but i wouldnt say it in the strictest sense. yes, going abroad expands your perspective. but doesn't mean you cant do it locally, albeit with less opportunities on that. normally it boils down to the environment you're studying in, the people you study with, and those teaching you.

on environment part, local schools offer it well, sometimes even better than overseas schools.

on peers, well, this is pretty limited when we're talking locally. you'll be stuck with the same people with the same, typical malaysian mindset.

on teachers, there are numerous to choose from: those trained locally to those trained abroad. u will notice considerable difference between how they approach education.

so, aside from the peers factor, we can still reach the international standard. so now it boils down to u. would u be able to improve by putting ur mates aside?

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